Lancia??

ninty9er

I know the brand never sold well in Ireland, but in addition, it seems to have nothing to offer more than a different front end on the body of a FIAT.

Why bother?

Rowley Birkin QC

Erm, the Delta Integrale??

This is the motors forum, right?

galwaytt

my dad's Lancia Trevi 2.0 is nice.

Odd as bejeebus dashboard, but a stonker of an engine.

Oh, and Lancia was Bishop Eamonn Casey's fav car too - he used to drive Beta's.

He da man. !

h3000

bigkev49 wrote: »

Erm, the Delta Integrale??

What he said.

BoardsRanger

Fast car those integrales, mind you when i drove it, it felt like you were doing 120mph when you were only doing 90. Good car but my mate had endless troubles with his.

h3000

BoardsRanger wrote: »

Fast car those integrales, mind you when i drove it, it felt like you were doing 120mph when you were only doing 90. Good car but my mate had endless troubles with his.

It is Italian:)

ninty9er

Errrm, they don't make the integrale anymore!

Have a look..

http://www.lancia.com/cgi-bin/lancia.dll/LANCIA_COM/models/modelsHP.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0560199730.1232153531@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadegfefimfhcefecejgdfkhdfjl.0

bazz26

God, they make some hideous looking cars these days. The ugly branch of the Fiat Group.

The Thesis (a modern day Scorpio):

ninty9er

No matter where I search the internet refuses to show me a rear view of the Thesis....it's the only one that appears not to have the rear of another part of the family. or maybe it's a cheap Quattroporte as opposed to an expensive FIAT.

S.I.R

ninty9er wrote: »

I know the brand never sold well in Ireland, but in addition, it seems to have nothing to offer more than a different front end on the body of a FIAT.

Why bother?

most lancias fit ford engines pritty easy also...


the 4 door sedans anyways...


no mods needed... the 2.0 ford iveco engine fits in rather swelll, just dont expect to break 60 mph :rolleyes:

road_2_damascus

ninty9er wrote: »

I know the brand never sold well in Ireland, but in addition, it seems to have nothing to offer more than a different front end on the body of a FIAT.

Why bother?

This is the Alfa Romeo 165 tspark 3.0l. It look s like a FIAT, but it was nick-named the poor man's Ferrari. In the early 90's, this was a bit like owning an Impreza. You could pick one up today for €500, and put the same again in petrol into it in the first month you have it. If you look one up on a car forum, you will hear comments like '...I love the growl of the engine..' and '..can do 100mph easily up a steep gradient..' Now we all know that on Irish roads today, your as fast as your next red light, or tailback for that matter. Buy a Peugot diesel and quit thinking that you are a person of great insight and taste by owning one of these sht boxes...

L-M

bazz26 wrote: »

God, they make some hideous looking cars these days. The ugly branch of the Fiat Group.

The Thesis (a modern day Scorpio):

My god that is one ugly car. Lol, i think we've enough ugly cars on our roads without bringing those in.

pete4130

ninty9er wrote: »

No matter where I search the internet refuses to show me a rear view of the Thesis....it's the only one that appears not to have the rear of another part of the family. or maybe it's a cheap Quattroporte as opposed to an expensive FIAT.

L-M

Lol, the back doesn't make up for the front anyway:P

ninty9er

Limerick man wrote: »

Lol, the back doesn't make up for the front anyway:P

Indeedin it does not....eugh!

mike65

When Lanica quit RHD in the mid 90s I thought it outrageous however looking at the cars they have produced since, its arguably no loss.

mcwhirter

road_2_damascus wrote: »

This is the Alfa Romeo 165 tspark 3.0l. It look s like a FIAT, but it was nick-named the poor man's Ferrari. In the early 90's, this was a bit like owning an Impreza. You could pick one up today for €500, and put the same again in petrol into it in the first month you have it. If you look one up on a car forum, you will hear comments like '...I love the growl of the engine..' and '..can do 100mph easily up a steep gradient..' Now we all know that on Irish roads today, your as fast as your next red light, or tailback for that matter. Buy a Peugot diesel and quit thinking that you are a person of great insight and taste by owning one of these sht boxes...

Its an alfa 75

RobAMerc

ninty9er wrote: »

I know the brand never sold well in Ireland, but in addition, it seems to have nothing to offer more than a different front end on the body of a FIAT.

Why bother?

Any serious petrol head knows the contribution Lancia made to motoring and motorsport in particular.

They may not be what they once were but give me any lancia over any ****box jap crap people here love so much any day.

VolvoMan

RobAMerc wrote: »

Any serious petrol head knows the contribution Lancia made to motoring and motorsport in particular.

You don't have to like Lancia to be a petrolhead though, the same goes for Alfa Romeo. It's just another 'Clarksonism' that means if you've never owned or been particularly of Italian cars you aren't a petrolhead.

I also can't stand the way some people try to associate romance with cars like the Lancia Fulvia and all Alfa's. They are nice looking cars and in some cases that's about it, get over it like.

alias no.9

ninty9er wrote: »

I know the brand never sold well in Ireland, but in addition, it seems to have nothing to offer more than a different front end on the body of a FIAT.

Why bother?

Substitute Audi/Skoda/Seat for Lancia and VW for Fiat and the point you're making is just the same. The styling is somewhat bizarre but saying they're just a different front end on the body of a FIAT is a bit ignorant in fairness. It may be true of the MPV's (Musa and Phedra) but hardly for any other model, yes they are closely related, but no more so than for any other companies sharing platforms. The Ypsilon is very different from the Punto and has been exploiting a niche that virtually no other manufacturer has, the luxury small car. The new Delta is much larger than the new Bravo. Fiat builds nothing as big as the Thesis or the Kappa that preceeded it. The second generation Delta was launched 2 years before the Fiat Brava, it's closest Fiat relative. The Lancia Dedra and Fiat Tempra bore very little similarity style wise. The Lybra was based on the Alfa 156 rather than the Fiat Marea to which it bore some styling similarities.

RobAMerc

VolvoMan wrote: »

You don't have to like Lancia to be a petrolhead though, the same goes for Alfa Romeo. It's just another 'Clarksonism' that means if you've never owned or been particularly of Italian cars you aren't a petrolhead.

I also can't stand the way some people try to associate romance with cars like the Lancia Fulvia and all Alfa's. They are nice looking cars and in some cases that's about it, get over it like.

I never said you had to own one or like them to be a petrol head I said if you were a petrol head you would know the contribution they made to motoring, please don't wrongly associate what I said with what Clarkson says.

Seriously have you ever driven a Fulvia or classic Alfa ?

colm_mcm

Lancia sells well within Italy. This is as much as is expected of them. I've rented a few, they're quite nice, I don't think FIAT have high hopes for them, the new Delta is supposed to be quite dull.

VolvoMan

RobAMerc wrote: »

I never said you had to own one or like them to be a petrol head I said if you were a petrol head you would know the contribution they made to motoring, please don't wrongly associate what I said with what Clarkson says.

Seriously have you ever driven a Fulvia or classic Alfa ?

I wasn't saying you specifically, I was talking about people in general. That whole "You're not a petrol head till you've owned an Alfa" phrase coined by Clarkson I find is being used by a few too many people and is wearing thin at this stage.

I have driven an Alfa of some description before but I've never driven a Lancia.

colm_mcm

The "You're not a petrol head till you've owned an Alfa" thing doesn't apply as much anymore, since the cars have become (somewhat) more mainstream and less risky than they were in the 80's/90's.

mcwhirter

colm_mcm wrote: »

The "You're not a petrol head till you've owned an Alfa" thing doesn't apply as much anymore, since the cars have become (somewhat) more mainstream and less risky than they were in the 80's/90's.

Yes , agree.you couldn't beat those alfas in the late 70's, mid 80's with the twin weber/dellorto carbs.

pcardin

bazz26 wrote: »

God, they make some hideous looking cars these days. The ugly branch of the Fiat Group.

The Thesis (a modern day Scorpio):

Well,if you call this car ugly then I'm really sorry for you. Unfortunately Irish people do have a serious problems with a style and design. And you can see it everywhere! Everything is on copy/paste style. What's good for your neighbour is good for you. Just build houses looks exact the same as 60 years old. Everything you call contemporary here was contemporary 30 years ago in rest of Europe. Of course you call Thesis ugly as you don't understand that car and even if you will go for it your friends will not understand you. You better drive Awensis or Passat and you don't bother about the fact that on your way home you will count 3000 avensis or passat in same colour and year and looks exact same as yours.
If you want to see real ugly car check Sangyoung Rodius which btw is very very popular in Ireland.

TomMc

The Thesis looks are highly subjective as it has a Ford Scorpio / Rover 75 pastiche thing going on. However sit in a top-of-the-range one and you are in for a treat. Would shame a lot of German luxobarge offerings. Certainly a car for the individualist.

klaus23

road_2_damascus wrote: »

This is the Alfa Romeo 165 tspark 3.0l. It look s like a FIAT, but it was nick-named the poor man's Ferrari. In the early 90's, this was a bit like owning an Impreza. You could pick one up today for €500, and put the same again in petrol into it in the first month you have it. If you look one up on a car forum, you will hear comments like '...I love the growl of the engine..' and '..can do 100mph easily up a steep gradient..' Now we all know that on Irish roads today, your as fast as your next red light, or tailback for that matter. Buy a Peugot diesel and quit thinking that you are a person of great insight and taste by owning one of these sht boxes...

This is the funniest thing I've ever read.

I had a Lancia Thema Turbo for about six months which I drove to death. It was ****ing great while it lasted.

bazz26

pcardin wrote: »

Well,if you call this car ugly then I'm really sorry for you. Unfortunately Irish people do have a serious problems with a style and design. And you can see it everywhere! Everything is on copy/paste style. What's good for your neighbour is good for you. Just build houses looks exact the same as 60 years old. Everything you call contemporary here was contemporary 30 years ago in rest of Europe. Of course you call Thesis ugly as you don't understand that car and even if you will go for it your friends will not understand you. You better drive Awensis or Passat and you don't bother about the fact that on your way home you will count 3000 avensis or passat in same colour and year and looks exact same as yours.
If you want to see real ugly car check Sangyoung Rodius which btw is very very popular in Ireland.

Sorry but I still think the Thesis is an ugly design, especially by Italian standards, no matter how rare or different it seems. At the end of the day looks are subjective, I'm sure Rodius drivers think they are lovely looking cars too.

Biro

ninty9er wrote: »

I know the brand never sold well in Ireland, but in addition, it seems to have nothing to offer more than a different front end on the body of a FIAT.

Why bother?

Why bother with Skoda, Seat and Audi so?

Biro

road_2_damascus wrote: »

This is the Alfa Romeo 165 tspark 3.0l. It look s like a FIAT, but it was nick-named the poor man's Ferrari. In the early 90's, this was a bit like owning an Impreza. You could pick one up today for €500, and put the same again in petrol into it in the first month you have it. If you look one up on a car forum, you will hear comments like '...I love the growl of the engine..' and '..can do 100mph easily up a steep gradient..' Now we all know that on Irish roads today, your as fast as your next red light, or tailback for that matter. Buy a Peugot diesel and quit thinking that you are a person of great insight and taste by owning one of these sht boxes...

You're right... and wear a white shirt and black pants. Who do you think you are with your mulit-coloured designer gear?

Victor_M

pcardin wrote: »

Well,if you call this car ugly then I'm really sorry for you. Unfortunately Irish people do have a serious problems with a style and design. And you can see it everywhere! Everything is on copy/paste style. What's good for your neighbour is good for you. Just build houses looks exact the same as 60 years old. Everything you call contemporary here was contemporary 30 years ago in rest of Europe. Of course you call Thesis ugly as you don't understand that car and even if you will go for it your friends will not understand you. You better drive Awensis or Passat and you don't bother about the fact that on your way home you will count 3000 avensis or passat in same colour and year and looks exact same as yours.
If you want to see real ugly car check Sangyoung Rodius which btw is very very popular in Ireland.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. These cars are all over Rome, they are hideous looking (which is unusual for the Italians) That car reminds of this vehicle, actually I think the Thesis was based on it.

Victor_M

Biro wrote: »

Why bother with Skoda, Seat and Audi so?

Good question;)

Maranellohouse

road_2_damascus wrote: »

This is the Alfa Romeo 165 tspark 3.0l. It look s like a FIAT, but it was nick-named the poor man's Ferrari. In the early 90's, this was a bit like owning an Impreza. You could pick one up today for €500, and put the same again in petrol into it in the first month you have it. If you look one up on a car forum, you will hear comments like '...I love the growl of the engine..' and '..can do 100mph easily up a steep gradient..' Now we all know that on Irish roads today, your as fast as your next red light, or tailback for that matter. Buy a Peugot diesel and quit thinking that you are a person of great insight and taste by owning one of these sht boxes...

I'll apologise now as this is my first post on here, but I felt I had to comment as this is the most ill informed thing I think I've ever read about an Alfa.
As a couple of the guys have pointed out it's an Alfa 75. It's probably a 2.0 Twinspark. The 3.0 was not a twinspark engine it was a V6.
It came out in the 80's.

I owned 2 of them and yes the engine in the V6 does growl and is one of the nicest sounding engines ever made.
I believe I am a person of good taste and as an actual owner of them don't for one minute think they are S****boxes.
I can only assume you don't like driving much by the rest of your comments because if you did and you drove a car like this down a country road you would see what they are about (and I don't at all mean having to break the speed limit to do so).

I've also owned 6 Lancia's (all integrales admitedly). Yes the early 80's weren't good for lancia and the press killed them off overhere but please do remember that most of the Japanese makes along with BL and other European makes were every bit as bad.

It should be remembered also that Lancia don't actually need to come to the UK and Ireland because they sell most of their cars to Germany and then Italy.

And that Thesis is definately not one of Lancias best moments.

WHITE_P

How about a Thema 8.32. That was a seriously nice car, even if the handling wasn't up to coping with the power.

http://www.geocities.com/clublanciathema/832.html