Clerks II

Dublin Spur

Saw it for the 1st time the other night.
Totally by chance.
One of the funniest flims I have ever seen.
Loved it

StackODinos

Such a good movie!

Slutmonkey57b

Tripe. And I'm a big Kevin Smith fan. Very very very lazy pointless by the numbers scripting. A script with no purpose other than to fill a hole in a schedule. Terrible acting by the leads, very much proof that there's a reason the stars of Clerks didn't do much afterwards.

Dublin Spur

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Tripe. And I'm a big Kevin Smith fan. Very very very lazy pointless by the numbers scripting. A script with no purpose other than to fill a hole in a schedule. Terrible acting by the leads, very much proof that there's a reason the stars of Clerks didn't do much afterwards.

Wow, amazing how you think this ?!?!
But each to their own at the end of the day.

iMax

"It's inter-species erotica a**hole !"

OpenYourEyes

Big Kevin Smith fan, but would have to admit this didnt live up to expectation! Some funny parts, but wouldnt find its way into my top 5 KS films

Dublin Spur

iMax wrote: »

"It's inter-species erotica a**hole !"

Pussy Troll

Dublin Spur

OpenYourEyes wrote: »

Big Kevin Smith fan, but would have to admit this didnt live up to expectation! Some funny parts, but wouldnt find its way into my top 5 KS films

Could you recommend a few please ??
Only ever seen Clerks 2 and Jay and Silent Bob strike Back.

Red Hand

A few funny parts. But really, the dance sequence with all the people dancing summed it up...ar*e-gravy.

Dublin Spur

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

A few funny parts. But really, the dance sequence with all the people dancing summed it up...ar*e-gravy.

Very high standards on here it would seem. Made me laugh anyway - thought it was very funny. Maybe not the dance scene but all of the other stuff more than made up for it (well for me anyway).

pinksoir

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

A few funny parts. But really, the dance sequence with all the people dancing summed it up...ar*e-gravy.

Clerks, Dogma, Mallrats (?!), chasing Amy. I'd leave it there. Jersey Girl is schmalzy a la Zack and Miri. That said, I've never found a Kevin Smith film to be bad/unwatchable.

Dublin Spur

pinksoir wrote: »

Clerks, Dogma, Mallrats (?!), chasing Amy. I'd leave it there. Jersey Girl is schmalzy a la Zack and Miri. That said, I've never found a Kevin Smith film to be bad/unwatchable.

Cheers, I'll make a point of watching them.

OpenYourEyes

Dublin Spur wrote: »

Could you recommend a few please ??
Only ever seen Clerks 2 and Jay and Silent Bob strike Back.

Dogma and Clerks i would consider, must-sees

Mallrats is very good aswel, Chasing Amy is watchable, but best left til last!


.....*edit* havnt seen jersey girl, but from what iv heard im not missing much!

Dublin Spur

OpenYourEyes wrote: »

Dogma and Clerks i would consider, must-sees

Mallrats is very good aswel, Chasing Amy is watchable, but best left til last!

Thanks, gonna get Clerks tomorrow

Pigman II

Better than Clerks (1) in every way and I've no shame in saying that.

BlitzKrieg

its different to clerks 1, has more in common with mallrats which simply says clerks 1 might have been like mallrats if it had the budget.

I have actually been on a bit of a kevin smith bender this week, I've watched almost all of his films this week. (threw in phantoms aswell because ben affleck was the bomb in phantoms!)


His stand up is actually better then some of his films.

If I was to name top 5 smith films

Clerks, Dogma, Chasing Amy would be the top 3 (not in any particular order)

after which I liked personnally (though wouldnt credit them as quality works) Mallrats (if any movie makes me think of the 90's its mallrats) and Jay and silent bob strike back (I think this is the one makes it blatant that all the other films tie in together and its just a stupid fun film that survives purely on cameos and digs at hollywood.)

I only got around to seeing clerks 2 this week, I was surprised that it was better then I expected but i'll prob need to give it another watch before deciding where I put it.

Didnt think much of Zak and miry make a porno, I just thought the scene with the gay pornstar was funny as hell but not so much the rest which was just above average.

I will be braving jersey girl tonight.

Nerin

Kevin smith fan here,and i expected little of clerks2,so was pleasantly suprised i liked it so much. Its on the same level as me for mallrats.

Clerks,chasing amy and dogma are my top 3 also.

Clerks2 then mallrats are my second favourites. I like mallrats alot when i was younger,and i guess it still holds a special place with me. Clerks 2 just gives me a nice feeling that i think smith wanted to bring across for the characters.

Zack and miri had some moments,but i think i kept judging it and comparing it to my top three,so enjoyed it less.

Strike back,Hmmm,as a stupid after pub movie,its ok,but after seeing it many times its lost any appeal. The first 5 films i'll watch again and again. Anything else,meh. I haven't seen jersey girl,i might buy it to try complete my dvd collection,but only if its very cheap,and theres nothing else catching my eye.

johnny_ultimate

I think it suffers from the same fault as all Kevin Smith films - it is a cocktail of great moments and utterly banal and clichéd scripting. There are plenty of funny moments - the big Jay reveal (nasty), the description of Lord of the Rings and the donkey business for example. But then it is tied to a horrible rom-com, and although Rosario Dawson is great and charismatic as the love interest, the story is just too sappy and predictable by the end. Zack and Miri and Mallrats suffered from the same problem (and also the fact that the comedy in those two wasn't as sharp as usual, despite some decent moments - again Justin Long's cameo in Zack and Miri a good example), although neither to the extent the truly dreadful Jersey Girl did.

I still think Chasing Amy is his strongest film - yes, it is a rom-com, but it is more cynical and realistic than his others and all the better for it. There is a tough compromise between outright nerdy and foul-mouthed comedy and audience-pleasing sappiness, and Clerks II doesn't quite make the balance as effectively as his other films.

Kevin Smith is always the director who I admire on one hand, but also tends to let himself down with an overly sentimental streak. The times when he doesn't get all romantic - Dogma or Clerks I - show him at his best I think (with Chasing Amy the happy exception). I do enjoy his films though, and for the most part Clerks was a pretty worthy sequel to the original - just a shame some moments were god awful.

Slutmonkey57b

Dublin Spur wrote: »

Very high standards on here it would seem. Made me laugh anyway - thought it was very funny. Maybe not the dance scene but all of the other stuff more than made up for it (well for me anyway).

If I hadn't seen his other films first it would have possibly scored higher - or maybe lower. For me, Mallrats is still the best, Jason Lee was a revelation in that movie. Then Chasing Amy, Dogma, Jay & Silent Bob. Clerks 1 is great but not laugh out loud funny for me.

But as said above Kevin Smith movies are generally works of genius unintentionally sabotaged by K. Smith Esq.

If you watch Evening with... 2, you'll find a lot of stuff from Clerks 2 was recycled from that show - and that's just plain embarrassing for a scriptwriter.

e_e

The original was waaaaaaaaay better. Still like it though.

Vamoose Killers

Clerks >>> Clerks II

You can forget about the rest of his stuff.

Kevin Smith is someone I really admire because of what he's done in relation to coming out of nowhere,living his dream and managing to do it while also dragging along a lot of his old friends.


I loved Clerks at the time it was released because it seemed like a genuine work of the directors passion. Since then I've enjoyed all his movies but I think thats more through loyalty to Smith. The flaws are there for everyone to see but darnit if I don't overlook them cos I find the dude charming, witty and charasmatic.

The one thing that really really bugs the sh*t out of me is his casting. Its bad enough that he gives his mates from Jersey small roles in his movies when they can't act. I don't mean Jason Mewes, who while he'll never worry Sean Penn is a force of nature on screen.
However KS's continual insistance on putting his wife in his movies. I understand he loves her very dearly but seriously...she is terrible terrible actress.

And then there is what I like to call the Affleck Affliction. Kevin Smith has said in the past that he would cast Ben Affleck in everything if he had his way. Ben Affleck is and always has been an awful actor. He has never managed to put across a natural performance in anything thats ever been commited to celluloid. Even Good Will Hunting, which he co-wrote, is almost scuppered by his hammy acting in what is essentially a role that he created for himself.

I would even go so far to see that the reason Jersey Girl is so reviled is based solely on Afflecks performance. Sure the script is over sentimental and mawkish, but I think if the lead role had been played by say, Smiths other favorite, Jason Lee, he would have had enough likability to pull it off.

Janicus

pinksoir wrote: »

Clerks, Dogma, Mallrats (?!), chasing Amy. I'd leave it there. Jersey Girl is schmalzy a la Zack and Miri. That said, I've never found a Kevin Smith film to be bad/unwatchable.

I would agree I love Kevin Smith and I will watch anything he makes or that he is in, I think he brillantly understated and I think that if he were to make a big hollywood blockbuster it would ruin his unique-ness, He is comfortable in his understated movies with good cast members picked in my option based on the characters rather than their fame!:rolleyes:

Monkey61

I was a massive Kevin Smith fan as well, although so fed up with what he's doing in recent years that I can't really bring myself to work up as much enthusiasm about him anymore.

I didn't mind Clerks 2. If anything it was worth it for the Lord of the Rings description. I'd watch it again purely for that.

Mario007

clerks two is brilliant, it think better than original, though in my opinion its mallrats thats the best film from smith(though i havent seen zack and miri make a porno)

Janicus

I have to say I quite liked Dogma as far as to say its probably my favorite.

kevin_de_big

Dogma is also my personal favourite, so well-rounded. Clerks II most definitely brought laughs, it just didn't seem as relevant as its predecessor.

L31mr0d

I thought Clerks II was pretty good. There was definitely some excellent dialogue in it. What it had over Clerks was that it was more funny imo. Clerks, as a social commentary, is a great movie but I rarely laughed while watching it. Whereas Clerks II seemed to concentrate more on getting at least a good joke out of each scene.

I did think the whole rom part of the com could of been cut out. It wasn't needed and was of such an insignificance that I can't really remember all that about it.