olymberyl aiden multi fuel stove, crazy fumes & stove settings+fuel recommendations.

Chief

Hey folks,

Second post today but I thought I'd keep them seperate. We are in our new house and as well as oil have an olymberyl aiden stove capable (supposedly) of heating up to 14 radiators. We burned in the stove as advised in the manual 5 small fires to let it cure (is is a matt black stove) and the smell was recognisable. But we discovered that whilst it keeps the room warm it doesn't do much for the hot water even if I turn the majority of the radiators in the house to 1 on their stats and leave maybe 5 or six at 4 to 5 on their stats.

So i decided to light a much bigger fire (with normal coal and 2.5 months after first burning in the stove), well the heat in the water seemed to come up BUT the fumes in the house almost would poison you, I have done this twice and still the fumes are awful. Could this simply be the last remnants of the matt finish drying?

Can anyone recommend good fuels or fuel mixes for the stove and ideal settings? The manual is a little vague to be honest. I has a sliding opening above the door, a large turnable opening in the ash door and a stat at the side from 0 to 9 i believe it is.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice folks.

Lainey

i would also like to hear some advice on this as i am thinking of buying one of these stoves for a new build also.. sorry for hijacking

JackieRyan

Hi
have not quiet the brand of multi fuel stove you have ,,had just oil heating now i have duel heating,it heats 18 rads with no problem,have setting dial so can adjust the heat in the house when using solid fuel system even has a plate on top to use for cooking if you so wish,never had a problem with smells or fumes sounds like maybe it is not sealed right into the chimney flue,you may need to get this checked by an engineer ,i have recommended this system to friends several times and a few have gone and installed this system and are more than happy,and they also have no problems with smells or fumes

cheers
jackie

John mac

The fumes are normal! Paint curing etc...
Last year I put in a stove and it took at least 8 fires to get the fumes gone!
and even now with 6 months worth of fires if i let it get too hot it will give off fumes. (not to be mistaken with the fumes from the fire itself)

I haven't got a back boiler on mine (Stanley Tara) so cant comment on heating water,
but have to say that for a small amount of Ecobrite the fire keeps the room roasting for the night and the following day!

best thing is read the manual regarding the settings for the dampers.


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needhair

thinking of putting in a olymberyl aiden multi fuel stove was wondering does anyone have any experience with these what are they like to heat radiators and the room as well

Stove Fan

Chief wrote: »

Hey folks,



Second post today but I thought I'd keep them seperate. We are in our new house and as well as oil have an olymberyl aiden stove capable (supposedly) of heating up to 14 radiators. We burned in the stove as advised in the manual 5 small fires to let it cure (is is a matt black stove) and the smell was recognisable. But we discovered that whilst it keeps the room warm it doesn't do much for the hot water even if I turn the majority of the radiators in the house to 1 on their stats and leave maybe 5 or six at 4 to 5 on their stats.

So i decided to light a much bigger fire (with normal coal and 2.5 months after first burning in the stove), well the heat in the water seemed to come up BUT the fumes in the house almost would poison you, I have done this twice and still the fumes are awful. Could this simply be the last remnants of the matt finish drying?

Can anyone recommend good fuels or fuel mixes for the stove and ideal settings? The manual is a little vague to be honest. I has a sliding opening above the door, a large turnable opening in the ash door and a stat at the side from 0 to 9 i believe it is.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice folks.

All stove manufacturers should not quote the number of rads as it's meaningless as every house has different sized radiators for the heat output required. The manufacturers should only state the KW output or BTU output of the boiler and heat output to room.

Your fumes is it coal smoke or a haze in the air? It could well be the paint curing. Get a carbon monoxide detector installed and if it goes off you know it's fumes from the fire and so get the chimney/ installation checked.

bituminous house Coal is not generally reccomended to burn in a stove unless your stove manual says it's fine. It has large flames and high heat that can damage the internals. I must say though we burnt house coal on our villager boiler stove last winter with no ill effects. We are going to use wood this winter as it's much cleaner and dont get coal dust over the living room.

You do really need a blazing fire to get your rads hot from cold for the first hour, but should not get fumes after the paint has cured. Your stove may only heat the 6 rads especially if they are each 600 by 1000 doubles.

The thermostat from 0-9 is to control the water temperature. On initial lighting have it on 9 and after the house is warm enough turn it down. You will find the ideal temperature/dial setting with trial and error. This thermostat should allow air into the fire and cause it to burn well. Once the thermostat senses the water is hot enough it will close the air supply and go into slumber mode. It should work automatically:) Add fuel and leave it to regulate the air supply by its thermostat. The vent at the top is an airwash to keep the glass clean:) Make sure there is permanent ventilation for the stove. Could you post up some pics of the stove/ chimney installation?
Stove Fan:)

TeresaL

I have just installed this stove in a new build. We are over the small-fire stages but cannot get enough water to heat any rads and the output is very slow. Disappointed overall in the operation, it just seems to eat coal. Th manual is very vague and it seems to only have the specs and installation instructions.

Stove Fan

TeresaL wrote: »

I have just installed this stove in a new build. We are over the small-fire stages but cannot get enough water to heat any rads and the output is very slow. Disappointed overall in the operation, it just seems to eat coal. Th manual is very vague and it seems to only have the specs and installation instructions.

Is it installed to the installation/ plumbing instructions? Did the plumber calculate the kw requirements of your excisting rads and then chose a stove with a suitably sized back boiler?

If you want to measure in mm of each rad and whether there single or doubles I will see if the boiler stove is undersized .

What setting is the pipe stat set at? Around 45 degrees is normal.

Does the rads get hot if you turn several off?

Does the hot water get hot from the hot taps?

How is the draw on the chimney? Is the stoves flue outlet from the top or rear from the stove?

Any chance of any pictures of the stoves plumbing?


Stove Fan:)

connel42

I am in the process of installing the Aidan in my house and have run into similar problems.
First thing I noticed is that there was ni installation instructions - just a booklet about air draft and a poor schematic of a water system.
I have installed into the main loop with also includes an oil fired boiler which works fine.
The problem I have is that the stove does not circulate hot water to rads or tank.
There are four connection points - is it critical which two are used or will any connection do for flow and return?
I am pretty sure I have cleared all the air and al,so tried running it withe the central heating pump on to increase circulation.
Our house is split level but no two storey so it should be easly to circulte.
Would any body have a copy of an instruction manual?
Also any ideas of how to get this blooming thing working?
Any help asppreciated.
Connel

TeresaL

Me again. We thought we would get the system running to capacity this w/e but still disappointed in this stove. We ran the oil system until we got the rads nice and hot and then thought the stove would take over. We fed it coal continually and did everything right (we are not novices with various central heating systems). Our plumber is one of the best and we also have a solar panel so the water is never quite cold. Anyway after heating with oil we let the range take over but it was still disappointing. We turned off several of the rads also. The rads were only luke-warm and this morning after two showers, the third one was only luke-warm. This is not what we expected after such and expensive installation and don't know where to go next. Thinking we should just abandon the range and stay with the oil. If the house wasn't so well insulated it would be quite uncomfortable.
Can I say that the manual is useless with this stove so no point in passing it on.
Would be interested in any pointers in getting better results.

connel42

I am starting to think the same.
I was talking to a mate in the pub and he fitted a similar one recently and is also dissapointed. He installed a second pump this weekend so it will be interesting to see if it makes a difference.

connel42

I decided to fit a second pump myself - and things have improved a bit but ony a bit.
I notice the pipes at the back of the boiler were banging loudly and wonder is it cavitation. This settled down after about 10 mins.
I have fitted to inflow pipe to the bottom of the boiler and the outflow above it at the top. Is this correct as I assumed that the colder water should enter down low a when heated rise to the top and out.

Stove Fan

connel42 wrote: »

I decided to fit a second pump myself - and things have improved a bit but ony a bit.
I notice the pipes at the back of the boiler were banging loudly and wonder is it cavitation. This settled down after about 10 mins.
I have fitted to inflow pipe to the bottom of the boiler and the outflow above it at the top. Is this correct as I assumed that the colder water should enter down low a when heated rise to the top and out.

Yep, flow at the top and return at the bottom.

If this is a four outlet boiler stove pipe the return diagonally opposite the flow outlet for better output. I see so many boiler stoves here only using one side of the stoves outlets and not cross flowed.

The boiler stove sounds as if the water inside is boiling. It shouldn't boil if correctly installed. Make sure the pipe stat isnt set too high about 45 degrees and there is a radiator on gravity circulation or hot water cylinder, ie doesn't rely on the pump.

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myedesign

Plumber installed this stove a month ago. Large enough house but disappointed with heat to water and rads. Tried shutting off some rads but still only luke warm. Centre of boiler at rear of stove gets hot but heat of water in outlet pipes to tank and rads not great. Have pump set at around 50 c. Will have to get plumber back and then go to seller -
stove centre in Castlebar. Using the ecobrite coal nuts recommended for closed appliances but they don't seem to be getting it to the required temp

TeresaL

We have persevered with the stove burning coal and logs and banking down with slack. The heat in the room and the first rad is great but other rads not great and half of them are turned off. Having a problem keeping the door clean and it doesn't clean with the instructions as per manual. I have to clean it every day before lighting. Has anyone mastered the technique of cleaning the door?

allanpkr

i know this is much later ,but i have olymberyl aiden, hot water 11 rads just to say if i put the fuel in i get very hot rads,but it does take some fuel throughout the day nothing for nothing,as they say. we put it on midday about 1 hour later hot water is piping ,we have it turned up high. we burn turf. then about 6 0 clock add ecobrite and turf for nice warm house. no problems with ours. but as i say cant heat what you dont burn.

TeresaL

Yes, I have discovered that it is really necessary to burn lots of fuel. The coal is varied quality and I am going to try the anthracite, it might be warmer but much more expensive. I burn lots of logs when it is at its best but in order to warm the house first I burn an hour of oil. Economical it is not and I wouldn't recommend this stove for a single system and expect great output. It would be fine for a smaller amount of rads, say six or seven and they would need to be the average size that builders install. Roll on spring!

TeresaL

Just to say that I think I have solved the mystery of this stove. It needs lots of good coal and very big fires. I am going to try anthracite this week for Christmas so that might help. I am a bit worried as all the rooms will be used and we may have to back-up with oil.
Now to the dirty door. I think I have the secret at last. I clean the door every day, this doesn't clean as per instructions. I got Ammonia cleaner (€1.99) in the supermarket and rub it on neat and wash off with a damp kitchen paper towel. It worked for me so would be delighted to know if everyone is successful. Happy Christmas everyone and keep warm!!!

allanpkr

very update news,just today 18/12/12 i have been doing it wrong, 1 . open all vents to light fire ,until fire is going. 2. close thermostat vent fully...close top slider...only leave bottom round vent open. turf and coal burn much ,much slower and stove burns much much hotter. check chimney no smoke , good sign. on cleaning glass we use green eco glass cleaner and kitchen wipe that is all. we have 11 rads all doubles 3 longest 1 towel 1 small 4 medium ,all very hot and our immersion is at 80 degress always.

allanpkr

sorry we only put eco brite in once about 5 0 clock at night .

allanpkr

also remember if you run hot water, then heat from stove is diverted from rads to cylinder tank , and rads will go cold very quickly, not stoves fault. i am now sitting in a very warm house and used hardly any fuel.actually i have bathroom windows open its to warm. will get hang off thermostat in time lol. merry xmas stay warm

allanpkr

new update ,we ran out of turf, was burning ecobrite on its own --no good tried timber seasoned-- no good ... reason rate of burn. next door man kept saying turf burns to quick, but my rads and water was scorching hot his werent,,he burns timber,....imagine you burn a tonne of timber and tonne of turf klw value of each is same, but timber takes twice as long to burn. then heat is spread over too long a period , but although you may burn more turf in say hour yur getting twice the heat. i will not burn timber anymore just ecobrite and turf

Rick Bishop

allanpkr, how often do you put turf in the stove?
i am using cole at the moment and i have to refuel the stove about every 30 to 45 min. which is quite ennoying.
rads are getting perfectly hot though. i am thinking about buying a load of turf.

Poor Uncle Tom

Where do you get your cole?

Rick Bishop

It is Golden Glow packed by A Mc Loughlin and Sons, Buncrana.

I dont know if that says something to you?

allanpkr

we use our olymberyl allday and yes it does use a lot of turf. at night we put in a load of ecobrite around 5-6 o clock then smaller amounts of turf till bed. if you want to be very hot in yur house all day it will use fuel, but we have oil ch as well which we dont use now, but when we did rads were turned down to 2 and didnt go on till 5 or later in evening,just couldnt afford to heat with oil. you cant get heat without burning something , just saying to burn timber to get any heat you have to open bottom door and burn quicker, turf burns quick without that so more controllable.

Rick Bishop

Is ecobrite better than normal cole? how much are you paying for a 40kg bag?

i live in co. longford. lots of bogs around so shoudnt be a problem to get lots of turf. we dont have an oil boiler anymore. we have an olymberil aiden connected to 7 rads and 1 insert stove is all we have for now.

do you keep the fire running over night?

allanpkr

we use ecobrite cause its cleaner for stove and chimney, although on its own its just keeps place warmish lol needs something to it. costs 14.50 for bag no dont keep stove burning overnight. hope this helps.

allanpkr

i think you just have to try different fuels and different combinations,although i find coal and turf good, dont know how long will be able to cut turf. if we keep listening to EU. personally i will keep getting it cut as long as the turf cutter will do it

Rick Bishop

grand, thanks for your info.

i found ecobrite today and have to say it burns much longer than common cole and way less smoke and dirt. also ordered loads of turf today. will see how the turf and ecobrite works together.

what temp do you have the immersion set?

allanpkr

yes ecobrite very little ash ,burns hot and clean,i think anthracite is only coal that is hotter but dont quote me,sure you can google it. we have our immerssion 80* very high but once fully hot if its cold outside then turn immersion off so all heat goes to rads. otherwise just leave thermo high,which is most of time. as i said in earlier threads once fire is going i close all vents accept bottom circle one. good luck

daithi55

digging up an old thread but how are these going
i see this stove for sale at a good price maybe its to good to be true
il be burning turf... how many bags do ye burn a day or year even

allanpkr

had olymberyl stove for 5 yrs now , never had a real problem takes getting used to , at beginning was burning fuel like no tommorow. until i realised how to control it.have 4 double 2m rads,3 double 1.5m rads plus large towel rail to get hot rads was burning ecobrite and turf. last year turf was very dry,so didnt buy coal 3 bags of turf per day gave us all hot water needed and heated all rads.our hot water is set at 90 c . we have found when we just want hot water heated start early in morning keep vent very small we have hot water all day i bag turf. we have oil heating as well biy didnt use it at all. one thing i have noticed fuel your burning whatever it is MUST be totally dry, if slightly damp moisture content you will get no heat from fuel. so i can only reccemend my olymberyl stove wouldnt livewithout it . adding extension this yr 3 more rads to be added, it wil handle it.

TeresaL

We've been using this stove now for over 2 years and if we were to do it again with hindsight, we would not have bothered and just continued with oil. No, we didn't have any fumes problem, that could be a chimney sealing problem. However, even though it is supposed to heat 14 rads, we would be lucky to heat 2 large ones with a terrific fire. Forget about burning turf or logs for intense heat - water or rads, instead use a bucket of coal (takes a lot) and this is better if it is anthracite or something like that. We use oil as well and sometimes supplement with an electric rad and this winter being so cold we used a Superser. These stoves were just fashionable, we considered taking ours out and fitting an open fire. We avoid lighting it if possible as the dust and soot on furniture nearby is horrible. Nice to look at but no great heat, water not great, it is either one or the other. Use the damper at the back midway and control the flow with the front roller and top vent. You will get used to it. My stove is in an open-plan situation but maybe in a closed room there would be more of a build up of heat. The ones that I've seen with friends who don't heat the water seem to give more heat. They are expensive to run and we found we would have been quids-in if we just kept to the oil.
Good luck with yours.

allanpkr

im puzzled is your immersion far away from stove? as i said my immertion set at 90c and rads very hot cause of dry turf was using just 3 bags turf for 9hrs heat.takes a bit of time to get going cause has to heat all water in ststem 1st..ie. rads and hot water pipes. most we ever used 4 bags on very very cold day. asi said when you use hot water heat will be diverted from rads to heat water tank 1st. sorry you have problems this year to heat house for yr plus hot water = 400 euros. we also cook stew on top of stove ..saves using gas have kettle hot water going all day on stove.

allanpkr

just a quick point stoves with backboilers are not a good idea, (i think) if you think you can come in and 6.30 pm and get a heated house for nite, they are more a slow start heater.take time to get to required heat . id say about hour and a half.

screamer

I don't know if it helps anyone but we have one of these stoves for the past 6 years, and it is the one thing in my house, I would not do without.

We light the stove on kindling and then put in a bucket of ecobrite, when that has caught and is burning well, you need to put something on top to keep the flames at the back by the boiler. We use turf or a nice big log. The aidan has a massive firebox but to heat the water, the flame needs to be at the back of the stove. We have an open plan 15 X 15FT room with the stairs coming down into it, open plan to the landing upstairs, and when the stove is lit, the whole space is toasty, the rads are set to 60 degree kick in and the house is lovely and warm. We run 12 rads from the aidan with no problems.
On a usual day we keep all the dampers closed, as the draw on the chimney is great on it's own.

TeresaL

Back again after 3 winters of using this stove. I have to say there was no great improvement with time and familiarity. It's warmer if a substantial amount of coal is burned at one time and as for logs - forget it - no heat to speak of. We have decided that this stove is only for looking at when burning lightly but find that is is just about the same cost to burn the oil and with a lot let work and dirt. It would be enough heat for a reasonably small room but not where we thought it would heat and most of our rads are turned off, we have to heat some bedrooms when required with a portable electric heater.
I recommend, leave these stoves where they are, they are only for show unless there is a coal mine in your back garden.

doghound

Hi,
First post on here, I decided to join as I found the installation manual for these Aidan multi fuel stoves.
We have just relocated to Kerry and are thinking of replacing our old deville oil stove with a multi fuel and was advised that these would be a good choice, so have been googling as we have no telly yet..
Anyway, enough waffle, here is the link:

warriorstoves.co.uk/files/786b1753-b9bf-4b11-a9f1-a08b00fbe736/Aidan with Boiler Stove Manual to 31-01-10.pdf

I hope this is of some use to somebody.

kind regards

doghound

daithi55

have gone through two winters with this stove now and cant fault it.. solid fuel stoves are what they are regardless of the brands.. buying fuel by the bag for them is a waste of time and expensive.. if you live near a bog or can buy fuel in bulk and store it they are perfect.. as you can see from the user teresal its costing her money.. id like to no what type logs your buying as mine gives the most heat when using hard wood logs.. but again if your buying a bag to put in it your wasting your time.. as you could fit a whole bag into it in one go

paulishere

just has a olymberyl aidan 21kw boiler stove fitted last week, and tried it for the first time, lit a small fire in it with in 30mins the rads were very warm 12 of them. did use alot of wood and coal as I was unsure how to use it compared to the open fire I had. I had the thermostat on the side set at number 5 but had to turn down to number 3 and closed the air wash vent at the top and the round vent at the bottom. it did get a bit smokey when the heat started getting up but soon disappeared, I did have to use a stainless steel flue in the chimney a 6 inch in size. in 6 hours of running used a bag and half of blocks and 3/4's of a bucket of coal, we were almost at the stage of opening the windows it was that warm, didnt put large amounts of fuel on at a time, but the heat was great even just using blocks, cant wait until winter is back to get the benefit of using the stove all the time.

one question did your plumber fit a one way valve on the oil boiler pump so your not heating the oil burner as well when your stove is on? I had to have a second pump fitted to ours for the stove and the plumber used all 4 connections on the back of the stove for the install, 2 for the hot water tank and 2 for the rads.

thanks Paul

daithi55

paulishere wrote: »

just has a olymberyl aidan 21kw boiler stove fitted last week, and tried it for the first time, lit a small fire in it with in 30mins the rads were very warm 12 of them. did use alot of wood and coal as I was unsure how to use it compared to the open fire I had. I had the thermostat on the side set at number 5 but had to turn down to number 3 and closed the air wash vent at the top and the round vent at the bottom. it did get a bit smokey when the heat started getting up but soon disappeared, I did have to use a stainless steel flue in the chimney a 6 inch in size. in 6 hours of running used a bag and half of blocks and 3/4's of a bucket of coal, we were almost at the stage of opening the windows it was that warm, didnt put large amounts of fuel on at a time, but the heat was great even just using blocks, cant wait until winter is back to get the benefit of using the stove all the time.

one question did your plumber fit a one way valve on the oil boiler pump so your not heating the oil burner as well when your stove is on? I had to have a second pump fitted to ours for the stove and the plumber used all 4 connections on the back of the stove for the install, 2 for the hot water tank and 2 for the rads.

thanks Paul

i get the most heat from mine when its closed off.. the clean glass is nice but a lot of heat goes up the chimney.. as for the thermostat i never found it much use.. never closed by itself.. i find the most heat comes from it when you get hot coals in it... i used loads of fuel at the start and it was just going up the chimney.. flames dont generate the heat but hot coals do.. the way it plumbed in the four connections is completely different to mine.. mine is plumbed on two opposites.. one runs above ground through the attic and one under ground to the hot water cylinder.. the circulating pump for the rads is in the hot press.. dont think he installed a 1 way valve for the oil but branched it off differently.. your system sounds like its working fine and is probably a different way of doing it