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The Government saving money by condeming people to die

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  • 14-01-2009 9:53pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭


    A&E in Ennis and Nenagh are to close and patients to be diverted to Limerick.
    This will COST LIVES and must be prevented by all means neccessary.
    Where the government get these insane ideas from I don't know, but nothing is a surprise, since one of the strategies to save money is to place people on waiting lists of several years, hoping they would have died by the time they get seen. Problem solved.
    Closing A&E's and centralising services would make sense if Limerick had the use of one or two helicopters, so people would indeed never be more than 30 minutes away from help.
    But without helicopters this only means that if anything happens to you on Loop Head, you're 2-3 HOURS away from the nearest A&E.
    If your condition requires treatment within 30 mins in a fully equipped A&E unit, YOU WILL DIE WITHOUT EVER RECEIVING HELP, it's that simple.
    Anyone who tries to somehow spin this and tell you that is not the case:
    HE IS EITHER A MORON OR A LIAR.
    This is a shoddy plan by the government to save money by accepting a few more deaths, pure and simple.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭old boy


    since when did you think they were ever worried about joe soap, did they not organise the flu jabs for themselves for 30 lids each,and took it away fromthe over fiftys who need it more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭TheNog


    Moved to Clare Region forum. Would get more coverage here


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭jochenstacker


    Fair enough


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,735 ✭✭✭Stuxnet


    but they need money to pay their wages and expenses, huge mortgages and holidays, money doesnt grow on trees ya know


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 23,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    I know this won't be popular in the Clare forum, but the closing of that hospital can only be a good thing, the state of the place is a disgrace, more people get MSRA or god knows what by going in there, if it was a restaurant you wouldn't eat there cause of the state of the place.

    But the county needs an A&E centre, it is unbelievable in this day and age that a government can willingly have people 2 hours from the nearest emergency centre, if only 1 person dies then it's a complete disgrace, the total lack of support being given to the West of Ireland, especially Clare, is an outrage, if this was to happen in any other county then there would be, actually, this wouldn't happen in another county cause there isn't another county with such inept politicians that are more interested in towing the party line rather than looking after their electriate


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭BLITZ_Molloy


    I can understand that specialising treatment for specific problems is a good idea. At the moment every hospital in the country is treating a wide range of problems badly where it'd be a better idea to send them off to a small clinic with the correct skillset. Plus, sending all the sick people to one location is a large part of the MRSA problem.

    I don't see why they can't get rid of everything in Ennis OTHER than the A&E. You could have a small clinic that deals with genuine emergencies. They give you a quick once over, ensure you're not going to die in 30 minutes, then stick you in an ambulance to Limerick.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭jochenstacker


    Clareman wrote: »
    I know this won't be popular in the Clare forum, but the closing of that hospital can only be a good thing, the state of the place is a disgrace, more people get MSRA or god knows what by going in there, if it was a restaurant you wouldn't eat there cause of the state of the place.

    But the county needs an A&E centre, it is unbelievable in this day and age that a government can willingly have people 2 hours from the nearest emergency centre, if only 1 person dies then it's a complete disgrace, the total lack of support being given to the West of Ireland, especially Clare, is an outrage, if this was to happen in any other county then there would be, actually, this wouldn't happen in another county cause there isn't another county with such inept politicians that are more interested in towing the party line rather than looking after their electriate

    Clareman, you are absolutely right, it's not the cleanest place and if they did food in there, they'd be shut down.
    BUT this situation exists due to DELIBERATE underfunding of the place by the government, because they want to push their shiny new private hospitals, so now they can say "Oh, look at that dilapidated old shed, better pull it down and build a marbel and glass palace where people can give us thousands for little routine proceedures".
    A&E doesn't make money, so as far as the government is concerned if you have a heart attack in Kilkee, you can lie in the gutter and rot for all they care.
    As far as I'm concerned this is tantamount to murder by the government, because they willingly accept the fact that people will die in order to make way for profit for their cronies and surely a few bob will find their way into their pockets.
    This is an attack on Clare and Tipperary people and must be treated the same way as being attacked in the street by a thug who wants to mug you.
    We can:
    A: Stand and fight and fight and win by any means neccessary
    B: Run and get out of this dump while we still get more than €5 for our houses before Ireland looks like Zimbabwe
    C: Get taken for mugs and have our pockest emptiet and our lifes endangered by a bunch of muggers.
    And i can tell you, it's not going to be C.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 kilnamona


    Your evaluation is spot on Jochenstacker.
    Sadly, not enough people share your outrage.
    It's a very sad state of affairs.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭jochenstacker


    This is a small enough country. Politicians exploit this fact often enough by pulling people aboard their own gravy train and then pretending they don't know where they came from anymore.
    When Aer Lingus pulled the Shannon-Heathrow flight to cosy up to the North, O'Dea, Dooley and Killeen where quick to display their well rehearsed phoney "outrage", while behind the scenes towing the party line and being good little boys.
    They stood together to ignore the wishes of the entire region and the people who voted for them.
    Why can't we do the same?
    It should be easy to mobilise the country to appear as one man in Dublin city center and block EVERYTHING until those bastards back down.
    Why don't they cut down on their Mugabe style lifestyle instead?
    Why don't they decide to get rid of a few spin doctors and maybe tell their cousin ("consultants") to find some real work.
    Are they so afraid that they need hundreds of Gardai while they race through the city at 100 km/h?
    This calls for nothing else than a general strike, shut the country down, including their transport, communication, food supply, anyone who does any work for any government body or politician directly, throw your tools down and say "now you can do that **** yourself"
    They can't govern the country if the country doesn't move an inch.
    Ireland is not big, there are not that many people here, it should be easy to organise.
    Once they are isolated and under siege in their ivory tower they'll ever see sense or starve.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 kilnamona


    This is a small enough country. Politicians exploit this fact often enough by pulling people aboard their own gravy train and then pretending they don't know where they came from anymore.
    When Aer Lingus pulled the Shannon-Heathrow flight to cosy up to the North, O'Dea, Dooley and Killeen where quick to display their well rehearsed phoney "outrage", while behind the scenes towing the party line and being good little boys.
    They stood together to ignore the wishes of the entire region and the people who voted for them.
    Why can't we do the same?
    It should be easy to mobilise the country to appear as one man in Dublin city center and block EVERYTHING until those bastards back down.
    Why don't they cut down on their Mugabe style lifestyle instead?
    Why don't they decide to get rid of a few spin doctors and maybe tell their cousin ("consultants") to find some real work.
    Are they so afraid that they need hundreds of Gardai while they race through the city at 100 km/h?
    This calls for nothing else than a general strike, shut the country down, including their transport, communication, food supply, anyone who does any work for any government body or politician directly, throw your tools down and say "now you can do that **** yourself"
    They can't govern the country if the country doesn't move an inch.
    Ireland is not big, there are not that many people here, it should be easy to organise.
    Once they are isolated and under siege in their ivory tower they'll ever see sense or starve.

    Where I in Ireland, I'd be happy to join your blockade. However circumstances won't permit.
    You are a visionary, but I don't think enough people share your outrage, soon maybe but not yet.
    While you're waiting for the masses to come around, organize locally and replace the above mentioned party whores.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 23,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    I know that the property boom has come to an end, but would it not be worth selling where the hospital is now and just building a new custom built location somewhere else? If private hospitals can be built in Limerick and Galway surely a new hospital could be built with the funds made from the sale of that massive plot of land?


  • Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭midgetflynn


    If there was to be an A&E in any part of Clare,it would have to be in Ennis,it being not only the main town,but prety central as well.I agree with BLITZ_molloy, the rest should really be gotten rid of

    jochenstacker,what do you mean by 'if they did food there'?it's a hospital,it gives food to the patients!(and I was one of them back last June)


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