Chartered Engineer title

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Out of college in Galway after doing Electronic and computer engineering, waiting to start a programming job in the next few weeks, looking at the prospect of becoming a chartered engineer (bit early but i'm just looking into it!) is this possible through programming? i looked at engineersireland.ie but still can't figure out the eligibility, any chartered engineers here i would like to hear how you got your title (experience, the process for receiving it etc. particularly programming guys)

thanks

AARRRGH

No, it's not possible.

You can have the job title "Software Engineer" but you cannot be a chartered Engineer, as you're not an Engineer in the traditional understanding of the word.

Alun

... and even if you could, it wouldn't count for diddly-squat in the IT industry either.

AARRRGH

Alun wrote: »

... and even if you could, it wouldn't count for diddly-squat in the IT industry either.

I think it helps when you apply for mortgages and things like that as you're a recognised professional, e.g. Doctor, Accountant, Engineer, etc.

Tar.Aldarion

So what kind of jobs do you need for chartered to matter?
Ok, java/c programming is a nono? What about assembly or ladder code of vhdl or?
Do you have to work in design, testing etc, what if it is design through programming etc?

leeroybrown

AARRRGH wrote: »

No, it's not possible.

Unless things have changed that's not 100% true. If you've completed a chartered degree and spent the require number of years working on software projects involving sufficient engineering challenge then you should be able to go through the chartering process. Obviously you'll need to be able to write the required report on a major project as is normally expected. Needless to say an awful lot (dare I say the majority) of the grunt work that goes on in the software industry won't be suitable. Presumably the OP will have their free student membership of Engineers Ireland so they should get in touch with them or ask their University department about it.

Alun wrote: »

... and even if you could, it wouldn't count for diddly-squat in the IT industry either.

Here in Ireland a charter is of limited value but when working for or dealing with foreign companies that charter becomes a very valuable item. Engineers Ireland will have charter agreements with a number of foreign countries which will allow Irish engineers be recognised as an 'engineer'.

leeroybrown

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

So what kind of jobs do you need for chartered to matter?
Ok, java/c programming is a nono? What about assembly or ladder code of vhdl or?
Do you have to work in design, testing etc, what if it is design through programming etc?

It's really got nothing to do with programming languages, it's all about the engineering challenge involved in the work. To give an example, I used to work for a company that developed software that would be used by engineers as part of their work. Because there was significant technical and mathematical work involved in designing, developing, testing and validating the products it would definitely have pushed it into an area where it would have been considered as having significant engineering challenge.

I'm not involved with Engineers Ireland so I can't really comment on how things have developed over the past four years but I'd suggest that they should have become more open to the software side of the engineering field in that time.

Tar.Aldarion

Thanks for the reply.

leeroybrown wrote: »

I'm not involved with Engineers Ireland s

Do you think there is any point in being involved in any Engineering association in Ireland? First year out of college so they want to charge me 127.50E which would be doubled the following years, but I don't see any reason to stay signed up? It might look good on your CV or something?

testicle

AARRRGH wrote: »

No, it's not possible.

You can have the job title "Software Engineer" but you cannot be a chartered Engineer, as you're not an Engineer in the traditional understanding of the word.

Yes it is possible.

Firstly you need to qualify for Ordinary Membership of Engineers Ireland. To do this, you need a Degree (Level 8) from this list - http://www.engineersireland.ie/Students/degrees.pasp?menuid=6

You also need a minimum of 4 years of relevent experience.

See here for more info - http://www.engineersireland.ie/InternationalAgree/chartengineer.pasp

Tails142

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Thanks for the reply.



Do you think there is any point in being involved in any Engineering association in Ireland? First year out of college so they want to charge me 127.50E which would be doubled the following years, but I don't see any reason to stay signed up? It might look good on your CV or something?

Your employer will generally cover professional fees for this, most engineering firms will cover one subscription to a professional body.

If you're not employed or your employer wont cough up for the fee... ... then there's probably no REAL reason, though if you're applying for jobs having it on your CV can look good.

Tar.Aldarion

Thanks.