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Police presence in UK secondary schools to cut crime.

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  • #2
    FGR
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    Is this just another PR job or has it really gotten that bad over there?

    This is something I'd expect in the states but not in Leeds.


  • #3
    Run_to_da_hills
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    ForegoneReality wrote: »
    Is this just another PR job or has it really gotten that bad over there?

    This is something I'd expect in the states but not in Leeds.
    England is really going down the slippery slope and turning into a police state. The UK will try it out in one city and then roll it out nationwide. British schools are already in the process of rolling out surveillance contracts. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1102205/Big-Brother-CCTV-spy-pupils-aged--complete-CPS-evidence-kit.html


  • #4
    DublinWriter
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    ForegoneReality wrote: »
    Is this just another PR job or has it really gotten that bad over there?
    It's just a matter of time before we go the same way here in Ireland.


  • #5
    deadwood
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    DublinWriter wrote: »
    It's just a matter of time before we go the same way here in Ireland.
    That took a while!


  • #6
    TheNog
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    What ever about an officer giving the occasional talk to the students about drugs, public order, driving etc (a good idea) but having officers at schools full time is an awful waste of resources.

    Besides this being a PR stunt for the Police and an opportunity for the schools to wash their hands of some of the responsibility to these kids (only to push it onto the police), when the hell are we going to stop molly coddlying these people. It really takes officers away from their core task of proper policing of a community which is integration with the people of all ages


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  • #7
    Run_to_da_hills
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    TheNog wrote: »
    What ever about an officer giving the occasional talk to the students about drugs, public order, driving etc (a good idea) but having officers at schools full time is an awful waste of resources.
    I would agree, In our school days the headmaster and cane was enough to put the fear of God into us. :eek:


  • #8
    r3nu4l
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I would agree, In our school days the headmaster and cane was enough to put the fear of God into us. :eek:

    Pfft! Bring back lunchtime hangings I say!


  • #9
    eroo
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    I don't see why private security could not be present at schools, paid for by UK Govt. Then let officers educate students in a more resourceful way, such as class talks.


  • #10
    Run_to_da_hills
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    eroo wrote: »
    I don't see why private security could not be present at schools, paid for by UK Govt. Then let officers educate students in a more resourceful way, such as class talks.
    I cant see why they can't have a dean of discipline and just call the cops when necessary. Surely the nearest station would be less than 5 minutes away.


  • #11
    Eru
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    This is whats required now because schools and teachers are powerless when it comes to discipline. I pointed out before that with increased police accountability and watching also came increased crime and thats no different in schools.

    The more protection for students and their 'rights' comes higher levels of unacceptable behaviour because when all is said and done, our society has placed so many restrictions on the various agencies that the system and agencies are blamed instead of the people causing the problem.


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  • #12
    eroo
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    Well said Karlitos!!


  • #13
    met-man
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    TheNog wrote: »
    What ever about an officer giving the occasional talk to the students about drugs, public order, driving etc (a good idea) but having officers at schools full time is an awful waste of resources.

    Besides this being a PR stunt for the Police and an opportunity for the schools to wash their hands of some of the responsibility to these kids (only to push it onto the police), when the hell are we going to stop molly coddlying these people. It really takes officers away from their core task of proper policing of a community which is integration with the people of all ages

    The reality here is that there is an increasing problem with robbery, assaults, sexual assault, drug dealing/use taking place in schools. Putting cops in schools is no PR stunt. The last thing the job wants is to have to tie up resources by putting officers into schools, however it has been left with little choice as the problems in schools naturally spill out onto the street and cause problems in the surrounding neighbourhoods.

    As in the US, we have started to introduce dedicated officers to the more problematic schools in an attempt to nip problems in the bud. This in my view is preferable to giving teachers more powers to search etc as has been mooted.

    The reality of modern secondary schools is that weapons, drugs, assaults, gang culture, street robbery are all a reality. The school yard is no different from the street in this respect. However, teachers are neither trained nor inclined to deal with such matters.


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