does dublin have immigrant ghettos?

pepsicokeacola

i dont believe it does, am i right or wrong?

just watching euronews and they showed the swedish protests over israel. and there just seemed to look like a more 'real' working class who are quite clearly not ethnic swedes.

i get the impression that the immigrant community in ireland is not very rigid and at any time could just pack up and go.

basically does dublin get anybody other than economic immigrants?

Wishbone Ash

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Victor

I'm not sure if this thread is suited to the Dublin City board.

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

i dont believe it does, am i right or wrong?

just watching euronews and they showed the swedish protests over israel. and there just seemed to look like a more 'real' working class who are quite clearly not ethnic swedes.

i get the impression that the immigrant community in ireland is not very rigid and at any time could just pack up and go.

basically does dublin get anybody other than economic immigrants?

I think Dublin is at a point before which areas can be identfied as immigrant ghettos - that of course doesn't mean they don't exist.

There are certainly areas with strong immigrant populations and separately there are areas with indiginous ghettos.

"and there just seemed to look like a more 'real' working class who are quite clearly not ethnic swedes." - Sweden has had ugly women for a long time, they just hide them :pac: More seriously, Sweden has had a much longer history of immigration that we just haven't had. Just because they might not look Swedish, doesn't mean that they aren't

pepsicokeacola

thanks for leaving it open and thanks for the answer. not sure what im getting at really but just was thinking it when i seen it on the news.

Dandelion6

A lot of those people were probably born and raised in Stockholm. It's been an ethnically diverse city for a long time.

basically does dublin get anybody other than economic immigrants?

Sure - refugees, students, spouses of Irish citizens, returning emigrants and their descendants, people from other countries who just for some strange reason want to live in Dublin.

Of course immigrants aren't necessarily "ethnic" looking anyway.

Xavi6

Does Dr Quirkeys count?

gurramok

Moore St was first into my head but then again that's a commercial area more so than a residential one and it ain't a ghetto yet

phasers

Lucan

enda1

Rathmines road?

Degsy

Tyrellstown,Parnell St.

foxy_19-89

ballsbridge...

Gran Hermano

Rathmines (and Ranelagh to a lesser extent) on the Southside
Phibsboro and Drumcondra on the Northside.

I find most of the culchies end up here when they migrate to Dublin
for education and employment.

Crash

the east end of Parnell St. would probably be the closest in my mind.

sillysasauge

Nothing that ive seen of anyway, especially compared to se london where I grew up, Probably Phibsboro is the most multicultural area ive seen in Dublin, but they all seem to mind their own business, I havent experienced anything near the intimidation here that I was used to In London.

Jerimiah

Parnell Street... Moore street......

the north inner city has more "Non Nationals" that "Nationals" over 58% last time they counted AFAIK...

Blanchardstown is similar AFAIK.....

mikemac

Black community in Ballybough
Ok, not huge numbers but far more noticable then any other area I've seen in Dublin and it was my short-cut to work every day so know it well

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Rathmines (and Ranelagh to a lesser extent) on the Southside
Phibsboro and Drumcondra on the Northside.

I find most of the culchies end up here when they migrate to Dublin
for education and employment.

lol, so true :pac:

Victor

Jerimiah wrote: »

Parnell Street... Moore street......

Hardly ghettoes - its not as is a wide section of the population refuses to go there.

Jerimiah

Victor wrote: »

Hardly ghettoes - its not as is a wide section of the population refuses to go there.

true, but more "Non Nationals" would live there plus most of the shops are aimed towards "Non nationals" and it would be the most "intergrated" part of dublin atm, not saying its a bad thing but them places would have the most concentrated numbers of "Non nationals", infact they would out number "Nationals"..

arybvtcw0eolkf

Blanch/Tyrells/Ongar/Clonsilla - in fact most of Dublin 15 would have a higher than average number of foreign nationals.

RaverRo808

Mairt wrote: »

Blanch/Tyrells/Ongar/Clonsilla - in fact most of Dublin 15 would have a higher than average number of foreign nationals.

Nah I wouldnt agree with you there,agreed there are alot of foreigners in the area,but its everywhere not just Dublin 15,Clondalkin,Finglas,Coolock,Balbriggan,Tallaght,Crumlin,etc,there are millions of foreigners residing in these areas,sure on my folks road in Cabra,there would be more foreigners living there then locals

Degsy

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Nah I wouldnt agree with you there,agreed there are alot of foreigners in the area,but its everywhere not just Dublin 15,Clondalkin,Finglas,Coolock,Balbriggan,Tallaght,Crumlin,etc,there are millions of foreigners residing in these areas,sure on my folks road in Cabra,there would be more foreigners living there then locals

Where in finglas are there foreigners?

Nevyn

Mairt wrote: »

Blanch/Tyrells/Ongar/Clonsilla - in fact most of Dublin 15 would have a higher than average number of foreign nationals.

Well Dublin 15 or the greater blanchardstown area has a bigger population then limerick city and has been the biggest growing urban area in Europe for the last 8 years.

Degsy

Thaedydal wrote: »

Well Dublin 15 or the greater blanchardstown area has a bigger population then limerick city and has been the biggest growing urban area in Europe for the last 8 years.

Yeah,but it is noticible in places like tyrellstown.Usually as a result of greedy bastards "buying to let" and then renting the properties ouut to refugees and immigrants.
No irish person in thier right mind would want to actually live there.

spurious

God, they're everywhere. No-one is safe.

You would expect to find high concentrations in the areas where lots of apartments were bought as investments and now offer low rents - Tyrellstown, Clongriffin etc.
Many people were housed in the Dublin 1 and 7 areas by the HSE - this gave the impression of a flood of foreigners, when in fact there was no such thing.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Thaedydal wrote: »

Well Dublin 15 or the greater blanchardstown area has a bigger population then limerick city and has been the biggest growing urban area in Europe for the last 8 years.

Which can be attributed to the influx of foreign nationals in the last decade, placing a huge burden on social services and schools in the area.

Now you can put that down to FF failure to foresee the problem immigration would bring and failing to put the infastructure into place ahead of it or whatever you want but the fact remains there's a problem in providing social services and school places to these people.

arybvtcw0eolkf

spurious wrote: »

Many people were housed in the Dublin 1 and 7 areas by the HSE - this gave the impression of a flood of foreigners, when in fact there was no such thing.

There wasn't? :eek:

I've often found myself in a minority in some area's of Dublin in the last ten years.

Degsy

Mairt wrote: »

Which can be attributed to the influx of foreign nationals in the last decade, placing a huge burden on social services and schools in the area.

Now you can put that down to FF failure to foresee the problem immigration would bring and failing to put the infastructure into place ahead of it or whatever you want but the fact remains there's a problem in providing social services and school places to these people.

A problem that has been compounded by the unwillingless of many irish people to send thier kids to school in areas full of immigrants.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Degsy wrote: »

A problem that has been compounded by the unwillingless of many irish people to send thier kids to school in areas full of immigrants.

The flip side of that is the Catholic church's unwillingness to accept pupils into their school's of differing religions.

Personally I chose my daughters school on the basis that it didn't have too many immigrant children or over crowding as she struggles with Dyslexia and I wanted her to get the maximum amount of class time and not be heldback because a teacher was struggling in a class room of 30+ children and a dozen different languages.

'Racist or realist' I don't care I'll look after my own first.

But thats getting way off topic.

Ghettos I think is too strong a word, 'birds of a feather' and all that.

The Irish have area's of London and New York where we traditionally flock to when things get tight here, but thats not because we're penned into those area's by local authorities its because most people will choose to live with their own.

RaverRo808

Degsy wrote: »

Where in finglas are there foreigners?

Charlestown is riddled,brand new development and area,built on Finglas Outskirts,occupied mainly by non-nationals

pepsicokeacola

Mairt wrote: »

The flip side of that is the Catholic church's unwillingness to accept pupils into their school's of differing religions.

Personally I chose my daughters school on the basis that it didn't have too many immigrant children or over crowding as she struggles with Dyslexia and I wanted her to get the maximum amount of class time and not be heldback because a teacher was struggling in a class room of 30+ children and a dozen different languages.

'Racist or realist' I don't care I'll look after my own first.

But thats getting way off topic.

Ghettos I think is too strong a word, 'birds of a feather' and all that.

The Irish have area's of London and New York where we traditionally flock to when things get tight here, but thats not because we're penned into those area's by local authorities its because most people will choose to live with their own.

New york is a terrible example. The history of immigration they have and still the place is very segregated.

Look at the Irish in the rest of Europe tho, as well as Mexico, Argentina they all assimiliated.

I understand why you wouldn't send your daughter to a school like that considering her dyslexia.

Degsy

Mairt wrote: »

The flip side of that is the Catholic church's unwillingness to accept pupils into their school's of differing religions.

Personally I chose my daughters school on the basis that it didn't have too many immigrant children or over crowding as she struggles with Dyslexia and I wanted her to get the maximum amount of class time and not be heldback because a teacher was struggling in a class room of 30+ children and a dozen different languages.

'Racist or realist' I don't care I'll look after my own first.

But thats getting way off topic.

Ghettos I think is too strong a word, 'birds of a feather' and all that.

The Irish have area's of London and New York where we traditionally flock to when things get tight here, but thats not because we're penned into those area's by local authorities its because most people will choose to live with their own.

My sister is living in Donabate and the local school is full of immigrants,many of which cant speak English.
She's sending her children to an irish school where at least they'll be in with a shout of getting a proper education.
There's no way a school full of immigrants isnt going to suffer a disproportionate number of problems,not least because in t oday's PC society,teachers will be afraid to discipline them.

pepsicokeacola

Degsy wrote: »

My sister is living in Donabate and the local school is full of immigrants,many of which cant speak English.
She's sending her children to an irish school where at least they'll be in with a shout of getting a proper education.
There's no way a school full of immigrants isnt going to suffer a disproportionate number of problems,not least because in t oday's PC society,teachers will be afraid to discipline them.

i know many immigrants who send their kids to irish school

Nevyn

Mairt wrote: »

Which can be attributed to the influx of foreign nationals in the last decade, placing a huge burden on social services and schools in the area.

Yes and no, if there wasn't the influx of building then there would have been no where for them to move into.

Mairt wrote: »

Now you can put that down to FF failure to foresee the problem immigration would bring and failing to put the infastructure into place ahead of it or whatever you want but the fact remains there's a problem in providing social services and school places to these people.

FF rezone vast tracks of land out here with Liam Lawor running the show for houses and building and due to the planning sytem here being an utter fúcking shambles socail building is not part of the system like in germany.

So like Talla in the late 70 early 80 we have had vast housing estates going up and no schools, the hospital getting hammered and traffic is a fúcking nightmare.

Degsy

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

i know many immigrants who send their kids to irish school

Why do they do that?

Wishbone Ash

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