Beam engines? Any good?

ShadowHearth

hey lads, me again.

I sow a few celicas with beams engines, and i am kinf of interested in that now.

in late celicas 98ish there were fourth generation beam engines, if i am not mistaken. with 190 ponies?

So how are these engines? are they are more ressistant then scooby or nissan engines? I start to be scared of turbo engnes now...

And will the celica with beams engine will have a good kick? celice wount be to heavy for it?

What would be the 0-60 on celica with beams engine lads?

cps_goodbuy

When you say resistent, in what respect? Do you plan on upgrading/modding?

Edit: I'd say most engines out of the factory, be it turbo or n/a, are relatively long lasting if left stock due to manufacturer design.

If you are. They're the 3S-GE with high comp pistons 11.5 and vvti, block doesn't have the oil channels for the turbo of the 3S-GTE. The 3S-GE is a really tough engine that is great for high hp builds.

There are two projects currently, a rotrex supercharger build on stock internals aimed for 300hp and a turbo project with vvti and uprated internals that is currently in the works. and there was a turbo'd celica beams in ireland but I have lost track of it (work was carried out in Jap)

The high comp of the engine means you have to think long and hard about blowing it.

The MR2 makes 6.5sec to 100km, I will time mine one day, the celica should be similar. VVti is not that evident but does appear to occur around 4k revs. Changing gears at wot doing a 0-60 run does give a little of a whiplash effect.

I have the 1999 Oyster Beams MR2, it's your RWD beamsy, and insurance is relatively low, though if you want to mod the engine and can afford insurance, go for a 3S-GTE as ther are more aftermarket parts for it. Or just a GT4 celica

Linkys below for beams info

http://www.mr2.com/forums/beams/
http://www.beams-redtop.com/

ShadowHearth

great reply m8. Thought i needed to mention, that i need a car for every day use.

Thats why i am looking at beams celicas/mr2s aswell.

I am not intending on tuning the engine. So i just whanted a car with a kick in it when needed. And not very demanding, as turbo cars.

cps_goodbuy

Ah!

...Then you can't go wrong with a beams celica or mr2!! Wonderful cars and great engine! Definitely an every day car! You will need to know that in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in an mr2 that it is possible to break traction and you need to know how to drive it with due care as it is a tailhappy snappy oversteery car, and has lsd.

Very strong engine, quality and duribility wise, you wouldn't have any problems, and in terms of performance, think a stock honda 2lt vtec engine with a lower and smoother rpm change and with no oil eating behaviours :rolleyes:

Get one with the stock air box and no engine mods, no real gains in adding an induction kit anyway as the engine system was very well designed, and the beams cars sound like a sportscar without the silly induction noise scanger/boyracer "drone"

ShadowHearth

Hey, cheers again m8.

I heard that beams engines are allready tunned allmoust to a maximum. So better keep away all mods from them.

I kind of really looking forward to it, it will be easyer on insurance for me. And easyer to maintain.

You mentioned a vtec m8. So type-r are not that great in durability? From mine own experience hondas engines are bullet,water,fire prove.

You said you own a mr2 beamy? Where do you get parts for it m8? And i would have a question on mr2 topic. The engine is in the back... so is there no extra work to change oil and stuff m8?

cps_goodbuy

Ah no,! I didn't mean to suggest that Hondas aren't durable!! They are wonderfully designed engines as well, I meant to suggest that the yamaha doesn't develop a oil diet that the vtec tend to do (mainly because of the actual mechanical differences in the cam and lift technologies) sometimes as much as a quart every 1000miles.

I've had a 00year Honda Prelude before and it was a lovely cruiser and was a lude member for awhile.

Mid/Rear engined doesn't matter too much, servicing is relatively easy, timing belt is :eek: to change so just had Toyota do it... I then saw the bill :eek:

Nothing specific really goes wrong with the mr2's from member feedback who mostly own 90-95yr mr2's

Parts are not a problem since uk mr2's are relatively the same, just have to watch out for rev/gen differences if ordering parts yourself, mainly with suspension.

ShadowHearth

cps_goodbuy wrote: »

Ah no,! I didn't mean to suggest that Hondas aren't durable!! They are wonderfully designed engines as well, I meant to suggest that the yamaha doesn't develop a oil diet that the vtec tend to do (mainly because of the actual mechanical differences in the cam and lift technologies) sometimes as much as a quart every 1000miles.

I've had a 00year Honda Prelude before and it was a lovely cruiser and was a lude member for awhile.

Mid/Rear engined doesn't matter too much, servicing is relatively easy, timing belt is :eek: to change so just had Toyota do it... I then saw the bill :eek:

Nothing specific really goes wrong with the mr2's from member feedback who mostly own 90-95yr mr2's

Parts are not a problem since uk mr2's are relatively the same, just have to watch out for rev/gen differences if ordering parts yourself, mainly with suspension.

how much :eek: = in eu m8?

Btw when you insuring your mr2, do you say its beam engine mr2? or you just specify it as a normal 2.0 engine? And how much you pay insurance on it now anyway m8? if not secret.

cps_goodbuy

ShadowHearth wrote: »

how much :eek: = in eu m8?

Btw when you insuring your mr2, do you say its beam engine mr2? or you just specify it as a normal 2.0 engine? And how much you pay insurance on it now anyway m8? if not secret.

For the timing belt? Would have to go through reciepts for that (had lots of little things done)

When I insured it I told them about the yamaha and they insured it as a 3sge mr2 jap import, Recieved documentation and I proceeded to beat it into them that it had the beams engine and they sent me the same documents (Phoning again I then found out they understood) (can never be to careful with insurance!)

Atomic Pineapple

The celica with the Beams engine is more of a touring car, its big, comfortable and has power but its not fast, its nowhere near the likes of an Integra Type R

ShadowHearth

cps_goodbuy , thx alot m8, got alot info. I asked the rest of questions privatly.

I am actually realy looking forward to cars with beam engines. It not goingto be as fast as some turbo s14 or scooby. But atleast it wount skin me to death.

cps_goodbuy

Shadow - No probs

Draf - Kinda know what you mean, but we're not about to debate different types and styles of car

If we're going to talk about other cars, how about the peel p50 :eek: I do declare the turning circle is far better than an teg (mind you, you'd have to get out and turn it yourself)

Reminds me of Isetta version with no reverse gear, some people would drive it into a parking space in front of a wall and trap themselves! :P

Atomic Pineapple

ShadowHearth wrote: »

And will the celica with beams engine will have a good kick? celice wount be to heavy for it?

What would be the 0-60 on celica with beams engine lads?

cps_goodbuy wrote: »

Draf - Kinda know what you mean, but we're not about to debate different types and styles of car

Just Answering ShadowHearths original question.

The Beams Celica is heavy and doesn't have a "kick". (I presumed he means a kick as in similiar to VTEC)

its 0 - 6 is over 7 seconds

The Mr2 is a different animal altogether, and the Celica GT4 would also be a better car to look at if you want raw power.

But the SS Celicas with the Beams are pretty decent cars all the same, faster than alot of other cars out there and still comfortable and with Toyota reliability

cps_goodbuy

Draf- you're right, agreed

ShadowHearth

Well i would love a gt4, but i am afraid of it... I cant spend too much attention for mine car as it would be a small baby. And moust turbo engines are like that.

I whanted a scooby in the first place, but as i heard its really nasty engine to look after. I do agree its a fun to drive and its fast as hell, but i just cant affordtoo much attention to it .

elexes

the altezza comes with a beams engine i have one and last dyno said 300bhp ( its far from standard tho )

they are hard to tune . but they do the job well

cps_goodbuy

close to 300? will you pm me or post what you have done?

Edit: Altezza's are a nice car, though they have the blacktop beams version, very slightly high comp, gas filled titanium valves and vvti on both cams, 210ps on spec

I'm guessing it's blown? I feel it would be pretty hard to get those numbers via the e85, ITB's, higher comp, water injection, without upgrading the cams and loosing vvti?

actually, thinking about it, it is easier to find aftermarket parts for the blacktop compared to the redtop

Atomic Pineapple

elexes wrote: »

the altezza comes with a beams engine i have one and last dyno said 300bhp ( its far from standard tho )

they are hard to tune . but they do the job well

yours is turbo'd though isn't it?

ShadowHearth

i wasat mechanick today, had a new cat putted in, and some ather fella came in with mr2 1991.

fella showed it me, and i can say, i am in love .

It really nice little car! And inside its even better really comfy!

Thought when i sow engine..... i was a bit shocked. How the hell someone can work on it? Its really a pain in a hole to get to it.

p.s. huge surprise.... It has a boot aswell . I thought there is only engine in the back .

I founded a 98 beamy mr2 on carzone, for 5900eu. Hopefully ill fins something similar on march aswell

cps_goodbuy

Why march? 5900 is a great price for one! Though whats the mileage?

Just remember that most mr2's have had knocks sometime in their lives, it's the nature of the beast

ShadowHearth

You see, in march i am getting anather ncb, so ill be able to insure cars easyer.

And i do research now, i am doing a small list of cars . Like i said, i dont whant to get cought with pants down, when i iwll be ready to buy a car.

S.I.R

beams engines are Yamaha by-produce right ?


haven seen the v8 versions of these their bullet proof ( in a boat... sample princeables apply...

cps_goodbuy

V8 Yamaha derived Beamy, sounds awesome, Would love a "small" blown 4lt v8 beamy in my mr2!


*Dreams* :rolleyes:



...realises....

mouwt

cps_goodbuy wrote: »

V8 Yamaha derived Beamy, sounds awesome, Would love a "small" blown 4lt v8 beamy in my mr2!


*Dreams* :rolleyes:



...realises....

1uzfe Toyota engine perhaps?? Smoothest v8 in the world, wonder is there a beams head that would fit it, Yamaha did alot of work with Toyota,

cps_goodbuy

mouwt wrote: »

1uzfe Toyota engine perhaps?? Smoothest v8 in the world, wonder is there a beams head that would fit it, Yamaha did alot of work with Toyota,

There is a quad cam v8 toyota, but I want a yamaha tuned one....with twin rotrex superchargers :-)


...oh and maybe replace the mr2 with a Mk1 Fastback RA28 Celica or Datsun 240Z :-)

mouwt

The 1uzfe is the quad cam v8 Toyota engine,

Ra28 over any Datsun everytime.

cps_goodbuy

ShadowHearth, my car is up for sale again if you're interested in a test drive, my price is relatively firm, I'm still investigating my next car. MR2 on adverts.ie