Pistol Theft

Kimber

Reports starting to come in on a SIG Pistol and several Rounds of Ammo stolen from a house in Limerick.
Reports so far state that the Pistol was licenced but was not in secure storage.

http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/Launch.aspx?referral=other&refresh=Ap701Qj3z9W0&PBID=16d2df0b-b84b-4602-a4f3-05634de2cff3&skip=

Reported on the Limerick Post.



God help us.

gunhappy_ie

As were not fully sure of what happened we cannot and should not comment on this event.

However ANYONE who does not safely store there firearms should have them taken off them BY THE GARDAI !! In particular with pistols as there at the head of the drive to restrict the decent, law abiding, tax paying shooters in this country that have qenunie interest in shooting.

Kimber

We are fully entitled to comment.

Thats what the forum is for. This incident affects all of us.

seeker099

I dont own a fire arm but would like to get into the sport. I always thought hand guns were illegal full stop. Im obviously wrong?

gunhappy_ie

Kimber, yes you are fully intitled to comment and add to the BS that circulates the internet. I will not comment on this particular event as I was not there nor do I know all the facts. Do you know fully the circumstances that surround the event and even if you red it in the papers do you really think that they have the full story ?

You may have seen articles in papers that have misled the public. Or with all the current hype about the pistol situation have talked to people about it any everyone has a different opinion on it yet no one can be sure as to what will happen until it happens.

Kimber

Hey Calm your engines fairly quick there boy.

I have not added any "bs". Be very careful there in what you type.

If you dont want to comment. Then why are you commenting.
If you dont want to comment.
The see ya. Bye.

Fact. It happened.
Proof for me.
I have a memer of the Garda Siochana beside me while I type that is stationed in Roxboro and who is also a competition shooter.
We are about to go for a Training Session.

So I will discuss at my liberty. Please thank you.

gunhappy_ie

Apologies If i came accross as being hotheaded as I am not not do i wish to come across as agressive on this forum. What I mean is that (and I have seen it on this forum) if people are going to comment on a matter they should know all the facts. Im not saying you dont but youve got the ball rolling. As I am entitled to comment as much as you are I have desided to withhold judgement on this particular event as I do not know anything about it but only what you posted. I will however comment, which I am entitled to, about anyone who holds a firearm but especially a pistol since they are in the news every other week for the wrong reasons.

gunhappy_ie wrote: »

As were not fully sure of what happened we cannot and should not comment on this event

Fact it happened, yes.

Proof for you and all of us thay everyone who owns a firearm needs to be so carefull these days as were walking on thin ice.

Should you have a member of the GS beside you there, thats fantastic, I possibly know him or of him through family/friends living in the city and working in the GS but I do not think (and nor would the higher ranks within the GS think) that it is appropiate for and member to comment, or provide information (and im not emplying that any member of the GS is doing so) on a crime weather it happens to be an open case or not as that is what the Garda press office is for.

I am mearly expressing my opinion as you are.

Anyway have a nice time shootin, Im off for the weekend myself.

Take care all.

Gallery

Hey Guys.

From time to time, events happen of which we do not have control.

But we should all take precautions to assist in preventing theft of our equipment, e.g. items of kit dismantled and stored seperately, while at home, en route to shooting facility etc. We have been advised many times on safety courses about this and if we continue to adhere to this instruction it will show we all have responsible attitudes and contribute to reducing risk if we are unfortunate to be a victim of a theft.

We are in a difficult political climate now, so all help would be appreciated. Lets make it difficult for those criminal minds who think they can easily gain access to our kit.

I ask one question now: Is your kit stored correctly ? If not please leave your PC and do so now.

Kimber

Gallery,

Spot on. We so need to be vigilant.

I am not saying whether the following is legit nor do I have anu intel on the matter.
But the Indo has reported that a 30 Firearms have been stolen in Tipperary from a dealer.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/30-guns-stolen-from-firearms-dealer-in-co-tipperary-1596654.html

I feel for the family that were held captive.

here.from.day.1

Newspaper scan here for anyone who didnt find it above:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58532908&posted=1#post58532908

ironsight

Well this was going to happen sooner or later, regardless of any security measures that were in place or not the Media & Politicians will use whatever spin they decide to pit on the incident to their advantage.

Personally I feel sorry for the owner, I had my own pistol stolen last May while here in the USA for some shooting, the Garda in their infinite wisdom still refuse to do anything like re-issue a new certificate, my pistol was stolen from the supposed secure luggage section of JFK Airport and the Garda in Ireland made me out to be the worst possible for of terrorist or criminal.

The Sig owner is in for a rough time of it I'm afraid, anyway as I type I have a snub nose S&W 38 on my belt so Im not bothered by the Garda, at least for for the next 2 or 3 months before I go back to Ireland..

Hope you all have fun, stay safe and enjoy shooting !

Vinniew

RTE 6One had a big piece on the theft last night.....then the usual sound bites of how many pistols are in country, how many were stolen from registered owners and of course the minister for justice looking for a total ban on pistols. Atleast they managed to mention that shotguns were the most stolen items.

This break-in couldn't have happened at a worse time!
Makes one wonder what kinda security arrangements dealers have to have to get their license.
Would have thought their security arrangements, alarms etc would have to be ultra slick......as in.....diall in an access code that opens the safe and triggers the monitored alarm at the same time.....handy to notify the monitors and get the villians out the door at the same time...

Advice to anyone with firearms...keep your rifle, pistols etc in your safes.....and store bolts, actions etc. somewhere else. That way if you are done over the villians effectively end up with what amounts to a very heavy hurley (rifle without a bolt) and a very bad hammer ~(pistol without its action)

While on the subject, why do all dealers keep rifles etc. in their shops with the bolts etc. attached? and the ammo close to hand. Is it just me or is this nuts???
Whats to stop a guy being handed a rifle by a dealer and dipping into his pocket for a round and loading it?

Vinnie

bunny shooter

Vinniew wrote: »

........Whats to stop a guy being handed a rifle by a dealer and dipping into his pocket for a round and loading it?

Vinnie

Same thing that stops him walking into shop with a kitchen knife, baseball bat, hurley or anything else you could kill someone with if is used it in a way it's not meant to be used :rolleyes:

ronn

did any one look at there firearms cert this year, the envelope had if not delivered pls return to the firearms section in the park,how many eyes seen that envelope before it reached your door mat and the clear/window of the envelope you could see some details about your firearm through it, wouldnt take a genius to figure out that theres guns in such n suchs house lets rob that one,our sum one to sell the info on.

top class security deliverd directly to your door from the genius's in the park

Nope, local garda holds all my certs when they come in and then either drops them out to me or else I go up to the station to collect it.

fat-tony

Deleted User wrote: »

Nope, local garda holds all my certs when they come in and then either drops them out to me or else I go up to the station to collect it.

Hi zara, I think the poster may have been referring to the renewal notices which were posted out prior to the licence re-issue at the end of July. These notices had the Firearms Section name and address printed on the outside of the envelope. I believe the Gardai have agreed not to repeat this obvious security breach this year.:)

Scoogles

Don't know if that promise will be kept. I know that the printing and postage of the cert and renewal notices is done through a private printing company. They of course have been screened for security purposes.
But in fairness most firearms are taken in the course of a burglary of the home and the firearms are generally taken when they are discovered. Their not the intended target of the burglary, this is from a garda source. But there is more we can do, dog runs visible from the road, dog trailers, NARGC or associated car stickers are all indicative of a firearm on the premises.

ballyhouraR&P

i personally know the man whose firearm was stolen. the reports that it was not in a safe so he tells me are incorrect it was they bust it off the wall and took it with them.the alarm was monitored and the gardai were informed as was two members of his family who attended the house within 20 mins they reckon it took the gardai a further 25 to 30 mins to arrive. if this is the truth then the mind boggles.

Jonty

ballyhouraR&P wrote: »

i personally know the man whose firearm was stolen. the reports that it was not in a safe so he tells me are incorrect it was they bust it off the wall and took it with them.the alarm was monitored and the gardai were informed as was two members of his family who attended the house within 20 mins they reckon it took the gardai a further 25 to 30 mins to arrive. if this is the truth then the mind boggles.

I've always wondered about the response time by the gardai. If it takes an hour to get there what's the point.

I think the whole purpose is so the guards take their time so the criminal scummer is long gone.

Rew

Wow, how do you get a safe off a wall? mine are held on with M10 expanding bolts in to solid brick.

Darr

Rew wrote: »

Wow, how do you get a safe off a wall? mine are held on with M10 expanding bolts in to solid brick.

hahah from a fellow M10 user, probably the less said about that the better , but a 5 min check in google shows its the most common form of safe "Cracking" (eg remove the whole safe to secure location for them to break in at there lesure )

Darr

sfakiaman

Rew wrote: »

Wow, how do you get a safe off a wall? mine are held on with M10 expanding bolts in to solid brick.

I have fitted three safes and none have been supplied with adequate wall bolts. It is a simple matter to drill out larger holes in the safes and fit decent bolts. It is also a good idea if possible to fix safes in a corner where they can be bolted to two walls and the floor. As has been mentioned in other threads, we should make sure a vital part of our firearms is removed and stored in a hidden location. You can be fairly sure the criminals know the responce times of the local guards so we need to make our security accordingly. Unfortunately the guards are unlikely to tell us how long it will take them to respond.

Rew

Yeah I dont use any bolts that come with them and widen the holes if needs be. M10's are the bigest I could find. Yes definitetly seperate parts of the firearms and I lock ammo up in a seperate safe to the firearms.

Im amazed that they got the safe off the wall I'd love more details to know if there is anything that can be done to stop it happening.

milkerman

Fourteen years ago my brother's place was burgled and his safe (secured with 6 m12 Hilti bolts) was prized off the wall and removed.
The safe was subsequently found near Bray, the bolts still in place and the back of the safe badly buckled. The .22 rifle was found just beside it. Looking at how it was removed it was clear that a pry bar was wedged bhind the safe and the bolts just pulled from the block wall through brute force.

I remembered all this when I fitted my safe - I think its nearly impossible through practical means to make them completely theft proof - but this is what I did
1. Removed the 3mm hard board back off my side of the fitted bedroom units.
2. Outlined the overall size of my safe onto the plaster work with a pencil and chased off the plaster & underlying sand/cement layer.
4. Borrowed an SDS drill and drilled for M14 Hiltis 120mm long
5 Fitted the safe, cut out the right shape in the hardboard and refitted that too, refitted the shelves.

By cutting back to the blocks you make it more difficult to get a pry bar behind the safe. The wardrobe units hide the safe and make it awkward to manipulate a pry bar. The longer Hiltis protrude into the cavity between the courses of blocks and expand in the cavity making them much harder to pull.
The downside is that if a raider has enough time he will completely wreck my bedroom and possibly still get the safe. But its all down to time and these guys presumably dont want to hang around too long with a shrieking alarm.
So far so good I've been lucky - long may it continue.

foxhunter

milkerman wrote: »

Fourteen years ago my brother's place was burgled and his safe (secured with 6 m12 Hilti bolts) was prized off the wall and removed.
The safe was subsequently found near Bray, the bolts still in place and the back of the safe badly buckled. The .22 rifle was found just beside it. Looking at how it was removed it was clear that a pry bar was wedged bhind the safe and the bolts just pulled from the block wall through brute force.

I remembered all this when I fitted my safe - I think its nearly impossible through practical means to make them completely theft proof - but this is what I did
1. Removed the 3mm hard board back off my side of the fitted bedroom units.
2. Outlined the overall size of my safe onto the plaster work with a pencil and chased off the plaster & underlying sand/cement layer.
4. Borrowed an SDS drill and drilled for M14 Hiltis 120mm long
5 Fitted the safe, cut out the right shape in the hardboard and refitted that too, refitted the shelves.

By cutting back to the blocks you make it more difficult to get a pry bar behind the safe. The wardrobe units hide the safe and make it awkward to manipulate a pry bar. The longer Hiltis protrude into the cavity between the courses of blocks and expand in the cavity making them much harder to pull.
The downside is that if a raider has enough time he will completely wreck my bedroom and possibly still get the safe. But its all down to time and these guys presumably dont want to hang around too long with a shrieking alarm.
So far so good I've been lucky - long may it continue.

Hi Milkerman I've done a similar job myself but I also used a couple of tubes of gripfill on the back and on the floor where it stands .
It makes it nearly impossible to get anything behind it ever again .

Rew

Wow thanks for the info, im lucky in that im directly in to solid brick not cavity but I think I will look at ways to prevent getting anything (or at least making it even harder) behind an edge.

milkerman wrote: »

Fourteen years ago my brother's place was burgled and his safe (secured with 6 m12 Hilti bolts) was prized off the wall and removed.
The safe was subsequently found near Bray, the bolts still in place and the back of the safe badly buckled. The .22 rifle was found just beside it. Looking at how it was removed it was clear that a pry bar was wedged bhind the safe and the bolts just pulled from the block wall through brute force.

I remembered all this when I fitted my safe - I think its nearly impossible through practical means to make them completely theft proof - but this is what I did
1. Removed the 3mm hard board back off my side of the fitted bedroom units.
2. Outlined the overall size of my safe onto the plaster work with a pencil and chased off the plaster & underlying sand/cement layer.
4. Borrowed an SDS drill and drilled for M14 Hiltis 120mm long
5 Fitted the safe, cut out the right shape in the hardboard and refitted that too, refitted the shelves.

By cutting back to the blocks you make it more difficult to get a pry bar behind the safe. The wardrobe units hide the safe and make it awkward to manipulate a pry bar. The longer Hiltis protrude into the cavity between the courses of blocks and expand in the cavity making them much harder to pull.
The downside is that if a raider has enough time he will completely wreck my bedroom and possibly still get the safe. But its all down to time and these guys presumably dont want to hang around too long with a shrieking alarm.
So far so good I've been lucky - long may it continue.

J.R.

As well as using the longer bolts during installation I also fitted the safe in a corner of a wardrobe bolting it to both walls.

I also ran a thick bead of silicone around the edges before pushing it back against the wall.......then tightening bolts.


Anyway, I had to move the safe last year as wardrobe space was needed to provide an opening for a stairs to attic conversion.

The silicone was impossible to get past.

I had cut off the heads of all bolts with an angle grinder and thought it would be a matter of just rocking the safe to loosen silicone from wall.....it didn't budge.

I had to all around the edge where silicone was with a long hacksaw blade ....took ages....teeth kept clogging.


When refitting safe I put plenty of silicone around edges that meet the wall....it's impossible to get a nail bar / prying bar through a thick, deep layer of good quality silicone to get any leverage.

bunny shooter

My CPO insisted on angle-iron around all exposed sides with the angle iron being bolted to wall using 10mm rawl bolts and the nuts welded to bolts

Tackleberrywho

I like the 10mm bolts or even 14mm, along with grip fill and timber around that.

I had to do a good amount of work for the CPOP to accept my application for a centrefire back in the day. Since then I have bought an additional cabinet. bigger and heaver. a two man life when emptyI think I will build this into a bunker. lying the cabinet on the ground, using a gas jack like your boot door operner to open. Have the lid covered with a disguise. i will not say what. Don't know who is reading this. LOL

Then a piece of furniture on top of that.

Down side is an end to,"oh look , a phesant in the front field, just wait 30 mins until I get out my gun "

I might even make it like a metreska safe with several safes inside. Open one if you can and then face all bolts in another one!