rugby rules question

twinytwo

if team A kicks for touch outside of their 22 but a player on team B catches the ball while standing on the actual side line but the ball is in play when he catches it is the ball considered to have gone out on the full???

Brewster

Interesting question, I would imagine that the ball would be considered out of the play in that scenario and it would be called back?

Paulw

As far as I know, if his foot is on the line, then he is out of play. Therefore, the ball has gone out, on the full.

evil_seed

It is considered that the kick went out on the full. Scrum back from where the ball was kicked. And it's laws not rules :rolleyes:

Rattlehead_ie

Can confirm Evil Seeds comments out on the fully full full

Repolho

twinytwo wrote: »

if team A kicks for touch outside of their 22 but a player on team B catches the ball while standing on the actual side line but the ball is in play when he catches it is the ball considered to have gone out on the full???

If the player catching the ball has a foot on the line then he is deemed to be in touch and to have taken the ball into touch, therefore a lineout to the kicking team from where the receiver caught the ball.

Tim Robbins

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Can confirm Evil Seeds comments out on the fully full full

That's correct with a minor caveat though. If the player has a foot on touch or in touch and the ball has stopped moving and he picks it up, he is deeemed to have brought it into touch.

So as long as the ball is moving, everyone is correct.

In fairness in J4, J3 you're lucky to have a touch line marked out and your touch judge will just wave it for his team and then as a ref you ignore his decision and give it to the other team.

This sort of stuff is really only relevant when you have branch or appointed refs running the line.

twinytwo

Repolho wrote: »

If the player catching the ball has a foot on the line then he is deemed to be in touch and to have taken the ball into touch, therefore a lineout to the kicking team from where the receiver caught the ball.

i mean the player is in touch before he catches the ball

twinytwo

Tim Robbins wrote: »

That's correct with a minor caveat though. If the player has a foot on touch or in touch and the ball has stopped moving and he picks it up, he is deeemed to have brought it into touch.

So as long as the ball is moving, everyone is correct.

In fairness in J4, J3 you're lucky to have a touch line marked out and your touch judge will just wave it for his team and then as a ref you ignore his decision and give it to the other team.

This sort of stuff is really only relevant when you have branch or appointed refs running the line.

true there was nearly war over it at a match

Tim Robbins

twinytwo wrote: »

true there was nearly war over it at a match

Ha Ha I can imagine. Usually what happens to me is the touch judge is from one of the teams and just starts arguing with the me as the ref.

It's mental sometimes. You'd want a sense of humour at the best of times.

daveharnett

As an aside, the same is true of touch in goal.

You will occasionally see a full back with one toe in touch in goal trying to touch a ball that's been kicked into the goal area (again, this only works while the ball is still moving).

If he is successful, then the ball has technically been kicked into touch in goal, so scrum back.

Tim Robbins

daveharnett wrote: »

As an aside, the same is true of touch in goal.

You will occasionally see a full back with one toe in touch in goal trying to touch a ball that's been kicked into the goal area (again, this only works while the ball is still moving).

If he is successful, then the ball has technically been kicked into touch in goal, so scrum back.

and a pedantic ref can really mess his head up when the ball is not moving :-)

Serenity Now!

twinytwo wrote: »

if team A kicks for touch outside of their 22 but a player on team B catches the ball while standing on the actual side line but the ball is in play when he catches it is the ball considered to have gone out on the full???

Lineout in line where the kick took place. On the line is over the line.
Reason why is a player with one foot out of play (on the line or over the line) can catch a ball that is still in motion and get the throw on the resulting result as the ball is considered out of play.

See Denis Leamy vs France three seasons ago. In his own half, had one foot over on purpose, caught the ball and took a quick lineout.
Officials can get it wrong however like when Adam Ashley-Cooper positioned himself for the same on the Aussie 5m line as the ball continued to roll to the line from an All Black kick downfield in the second Bledisloe Cup. The throw was incorrectly given to the All Blacks who then won the lineout and rucked over the line for a Woodcock try.

In short: your example kick has gone out on the full because the player has set up for it with a foot out of play. Ball must be still in motion leading to the 'catch' however.

conf101

daveharnett wrote: »

As an aside, the same is true of touch in goal.

You will occasionally see a full back with one toe in touch in goal trying to touch a ball that's been kicked into the goal area (again, this only works while the ball is still moving).

If he is successful, then the ball has technically been kicked into touch in goal, so scrum back.

Didn't Shane Williams do that in one of Wales' Autumn Internationals? Can't remember which match.

Gelio

twinytwo wrote: »

if team A kicks for touch outside of their 22 but a player on team B catches the ball while standing on the actual side line but the ball is in play when he catches it is the ball considered to have gone out on the full???

Out on the full.

curts82

Repolho wrote: »

If the player catching the ball has a foot on the line then he is deemed to be in touch and to have taken the ball into touch, therefore a lineout to the kicking team from where the receiver caught the ball.

If the player is on the line and catches the ball its from where it was kicked and the line out to the player who caught the ball!

Ulstermell0

Serenity Now! wrote: »

Lineout in line where the kick took place. On the line is over the line.
Reason why is a player with one foot out of play (on the line or over the line) can catch a ball that is still in motion and get the throw on the resulting result as the ball is considered out of play.

See Denis Leamy vs France three seasons ago. In his own half, had one foot over on purpose, caught the ball and took a quick lineout.
Officials can get it wrong however like when Adam Ashley-Cooper positioned himself for the same on the Aussie 5m line as the ball continued to roll to the line from an All Black kick downfield in the second Bledisloe Cup. The throw was incorrectly given to the All Blacks who then won the lineout and rucked over the line for a Woodcock try.

In short: your example kick has gone out on the full because the player has set up for it with a foot out of play. Ball must be still in motion leading to the 'catch' however.

"See Denis Leamy vs France three seasons ago. In his own half, had one foot over on purpose, caught the ball and took a quick lineout."

had the ball already bounced? because if not - he would have been entitled to go back to where it was kicked from, no?

RuggieBear

Ulstermell0 wrote: »

"See Denis Leamy vs France three seasons ago. In his own half, had one foot over on purpose, caught the ball and took a quick lineout."

had the ball already bounced? because if not - he would have been entitled to go back to where it was kicked from, no?

not if the original kick had been from within the 22.

Serenity Now!

Ulstermell0 wrote: »

"See Denis Leamy vs France three seasons ago. In his own half, had one foot over on purpose, caught the ball and took a quick lineout."

had the ball already bounced? because if not - he would have been entitled to go back to where it was kicked from, no?

No, it didn't bounce. He caught it.

mikedragon32

evil_seed wrote: »

It is considered that the kick went out on the full. Scrum back from where the ball was kicked. And it's laws not rules :rolleyes:

It's a lineout, not a scrum.