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rugby rules question

  • 09-01-2009 10:10am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭


    if team A kicks for touch outside of their 22 but a player on team B catches the ball while standing on the actual side line but the ball is in play when he catches it is the ball considered to have gone out on the full???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Interesting question, I would imagine that the ball would be considered out of the play in that scenario and it would be called back?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    As far as I know, if his foot is on the line, then he is out of play. Therefore, the ball has gone out, on the full.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭evil_seed


    It is considered that the kick went out on the full. Scrum back from where the ball was kicked. And it's laws not rules :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭Rattlehead_ie


    Can confirm Evil Seeds comments out on the fully full full


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Repolho


    twinytwo wrote: »
    if team A kicks for touch outside of their 22 but a player on team B catches the ball while standing on the actual side line but the ball is in play when he catches it is the ball considered to have gone out on the full???

    If the player catching the ball has a foot on the line then he is deemed to be in touch and to have taken the ball into touch, therefore a lineout to the kicking team from where the receiver caught the ball.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    Can confirm Evil Seeds comments out on the fully full full

    That's correct with a minor caveat though. If the player has a foot on touch or in touch and the ball has stopped moving and he picks it up, he is deeemed to have brought it into touch.

    So as long as the ball is moving, everyone is correct.

    In fairness in J4, J3 you're lucky to have a touch line marked out and your touch judge will just wave it for his team and then as a ref you ignore his decision and give it to the other team.

    This sort of stuff is really only relevant when you have branch or appointed refs running the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Repolho wrote: »
    If the player catching the ball has a foot on the line then he is deemed to be in touch and to have taken the ball into touch, therefore a lineout to the kicking team from where the receiver caught the ball.

    i mean the player is in touch before he catches the ball


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    That's correct with a minor caveat though. If the player has a foot on touch or in touch and the ball has stopped moving and he picks it up, he is deeemed to have brought it into touch.

    So as long as the ball is moving, everyone is correct.

    In fairness in J4, J3 you're lucky to have a touch line marked out and your touch judge will just wave it for his team and then as a ref you ignore his decision and give it to the other team.

    This sort of stuff is really only relevant when you have branch or appointed refs running the line.

    true there was nearly war over it at a match


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    twinytwo wrote: »
    true there was nearly war over it at a match
    Ha Ha I can imagine. Usually what happens to me is the touch judge is from one of the teams and just starts arguing with the me as the ref.

    It's mental sometimes. You'd want a sense of humour at the best of times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭daveharnett


    As an aside, the same is true of touch in goal.

    You will occasionally see a full back with one toe in touch in goal trying to touch a ball that's been kicked into the goal area (again, this only works while the ball is still moving).

    If he is successful, then the ball has technically been kicked into touch in goal, so scrum back.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    As an aside, the same is true of touch in goal.

    You will occasionally see a full back with one toe in touch in goal trying to touch a ball that's been kicked into the goal area (again, this only works while the ball is still moving).

    If he is successful, then the ball has technically been kicked into touch in goal, so scrum back.

    and a pedantic ref can really mess his head up when the ball is not moving :-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Serenity Now!


    twinytwo wrote: »
    if team A kicks for touch outside of their 22 but a player on team B catches the ball while standing on the actual side line but the ball is in play when he catches it is the ball considered to have gone out on the full???

    Lineout in line where the kick took place. On the line is over the line.
    Reason why is a player with one foot out of play (on the line or over the line) can catch a ball that is still in motion and get the throw on the resulting result as the ball is considered out of play.

    See Denis Leamy vs France three seasons ago. In his own half, had one foot over on purpose, caught the ball and took a quick lineout.
    Officials can get it wrong however like when Adam Ashley-Cooper positioned himself for the same on the Aussie 5m line as the ball continued to roll to the line from an All Black kick downfield in the second Bledisloe Cup. The throw was incorrectly given to the All Blacks who then won the lineout and rucked over the line for a Woodcock try.

    In short: your example kick has gone out on the full because the player has set up for it with a foot out of play. Ball must be still in motion leading to the 'catch' however.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭conf101


    As an aside, the same is true of touch in goal.

    You will occasionally see a full back with one toe in touch in goal trying to touch a ball that's been kicked into the goal area (again, this only works while the ball is still moving).

    If he is successful, then the ball has technically been kicked into touch in goal, so scrum back.

    Didn't Shane Williams do that in one of Wales' Autumn Internationals? Can't remember which match.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Gelio


    twinytwo wrote: »
    if team A kicks for touch outside of their 22 but a player on team B catches the ball while standing on the actual side line but the ball is in play when he catches it is the ball considered to have gone out on the full???


    Out on the full.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭curts82


    Repolho wrote: »
    If the player catching the ball has a foot on the line then he is deemed to be in touch and to have taken the ball into touch, therefore a lineout to the kicking team from where the receiver caught the ball.
    If the player is on the line and catches the ball its from where it was kicked and the line out to the player who caught the ball!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭Ulstermell0


    Lineout in line where the kick took place. On the line is over the line.
    Reason why is a player with one foot out of play (on the line or over the line) can catch a ball that is still in motion and get the throw on the resulting result as the ball is considered out of play.

    See Denis Leamy vs France three seasons ago. In his own half, had one foot over on purpose, caught the ball and took a quick lineout.
    Officials can get it wrong however like when Adam Ashley-Cooper positioned himself for the same on the Aussie 5m line as the ball continued to roll to the line from an All Black kick downfield in the second Bledisloe Cup. The throw was incorrectly given to the All Blacks who then won the lineout and rucked over the line for a Woodcock try.

    In short: your example kick has gone out on the full because the player has set up for it with a foot out of play. Ball must be still in motion leading to the 'catch' however.
    "See Denis Leamy vs France three seasons ago. In his own half, had one foot over on purpose, caught the ball and took a quick lineout."

    had the ball already bounced? because if not - he would have been entitled to go back to where it was kicked from, no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    "See Denis Leamy vs France three seasons ago. In his own half, had one foot over on purpose, caught the ball and took a quick lineout."

    had the ball already bounced? because if not - he would have been entitled to go back to where it was kicked from, no?
    not if the original kick had been from within the 22.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Serenity Now!


    "See Denis Leamy vs France three seasons ago. In his own half, had one foot over on purpose, caught the ball and took a quick lineout."

    had the ball already bounced? because if not - he would have been entitled to go back to where it was kicked from, no?

    No, it didn't bounce. He caught it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,939 ✭✭✭mikedragon32


    evil_seed wrote: »
    It is considered that the kick went out on the full. Scrum back from where the ball was kicked. And it's laws not rules :rolleyes:
    It's a lineout, not a scrum.


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