Fallout 3-dont believe the hype

RaverRo808

After weeks of nearly having a heart attack,waiting to play Fallout 3,I bought it last week,and to say the least I find it a very dissapointing game,I was looking at the screenshots,reviews and trailers,and hearing that was a game made by the obilvion people and used its engine,'but it wasnt just simply Oblivion with guns',but thats exactly what it is,it is the exact same game except its set in future and you use guns,but the whole set up is far more complicated that you dont bother to get used to it,and on the east setting its far too easy but on medium its far too difficult,the story is uninvolving and boring,and in parts,stupid,obilivion was a far better concept,a real stinker in my opinion

Vic Vinegar

How much did you play of it before coming to your conclusion about the "stupid" story out of interest?

Far too difficult on the medium setting? hmm, rightio!

Ciaran500

Completey and utterly disagree. Spent about 50hrs playing through it and was glued to it from beginning to end.

Also the game is piss easy on medium.

Maximilian

Let me guess: you haven't left Megaton yet or just barely have. Blow the bomb up and tell me you feel the same way.

oeb

To be honest, I played most of the way through it and I have to agree. I am a huge fan of the earlier stuff, played them all to death. But I just did not find that this one roped me in as much.

I love oblivion, I love fallout, but their bastard lovechild just does not cut it for me.

MOH

RaverRo808 wrote: »

After weeks of nearly having a heart attack,waiting to play Fallout 3,I bought it last week,and to say the least I find it a very dissapointing game,I was looking at the screenshots,reviews and trailers,and hearing that was a game made by the obilvion people and used its engine,'but it wasnt just simply Oblivion with guns',but thats exactly what it is,it is the exact same game except its set in future and you use guns,but the whole set up is far more complicated that you dont bother to get used to it,and on the east setting its far too easy but on medium its far too difficult,the story is uninvolving and boring,and in parts,stupid,obilivion was a far better concept,a real stinker in my opinion

So you didn't bother trying to get into it and then you say it's uninvolving and boring, and too hard?

I found it quite playable on medium.

Also, I must have missed the VATS button in Oblivion, if it's just Oblivion with guns. Damn, that would have made things easier.

Samurai

I too bought into the hype and purchased the game only to be severely let down, its just so.......... BORING!. Can I have my €30 back please? reminds of the time someone told me Dr.Pepper was nice, I'd also like my 75p back.

oeb

MOH wrote: »

So you didn't bother trying to get into it and then you say it's uninvolving and boring, and too hard?

I found it quite playable on medium.

Also, I must have missed the VATS button in Oblivion, if it's just Oblivion with guns. Damn, that would have made things easier.

Talk about pulling at straws! You know what he means when he describes it as oblivion with guns. That's like saying something like Zombie Panic Source should not be considered a half life mod, because you know, can become a zombie! Totally different!!!!1

I don't call it that mind, because I think it is significantly worse than oblivion (And I am a huge fan of the fallout licence). But I am also of the opinion that this is the kind of end result I would expect to see from a modder team doing a total conversion based on oblivion.

Q_Ball

I'm about 40 hours in and have just gotten to

vault 112

. I'm thoroughly engrossed in this game, more than any I've ever played come to think of it! Which is weird because I wasn't a huge fan of oblivion (didn't even finish it tbh). Maybe its the guns

Its my GOTY 2008

Jip

It's one of those games you either love or hate. I don't think anyone who is time pressed would enjoy it all. I played it for a few hours but don't have the time to invest any serious gameplay into it, hence I find it boring and slow. Whereas people I know have alot of time, mostly lazy students, are loving it and wasting their days away on it.
It's not for me at all, nor is Oblivion, but I can see the attraction if you had the time it spend on it.

LoadedNapalm

I totally agree with you. I found the game a complete yawn! I played a good 17 - 20 hours of it and just couldn't take anymore so i lent it to a mate. Playing Fable 2 now and it's by far more entertaining

All the people i know that have it love it and were appalled when i said i hated it. You either love it or hate it i guess, there's not much middle ground.

Jumpy

You havent played the game probperly until you can go into Rivet City and do a "Terminator Police Station" effort.

Cleared the place out. Of course then I had to reload the saved game, but man it was fun.

Devious

RaverRo808 wrote: »

After weeks of nearly having a heart attack,waiting to play Fallout 3,I bought it last week,and to say the least I find it a very dissapointing game,I was looking at the screenshots,reviews and trailers,and hearing that was a game made by the obilvion people and used its engine,'but it wasnt just simply Oblivion with guns',but thats exactly what it is,it is the exact same game except its set in future and you use guns,but the whole set up is far more complicated that you dont bother to get used to it,and on the east setting its far too easy but on medium its far too difficult,the story is uninvolving and boring,and in parts,stupid,obilivion was a far better concept,a real stinker in my opinion

Never has someone on the internet been more..........WRONG.

Zulu

I got addicted. Payed too much over xmas. Way too much. It was a good game.
Highly addictive, but only good tbh.

Still, I'm not sure what I wanted to be honest. Best game of last year mind you (but that wasn't very hard).

It could have done with more super mutant bohemouths (sp?). I only had the joy of coming across one.

Ostrom

I hated it too, but I'm not sure why. As someone mentioned earlier, time is probably a huge factor for me, since I dont get long stretches of time to play, but I felt exactly the same about oblivion.

Maybe its something unique to bethesda, but they both bored me to death. I love my RPG's but I just couldnt enjoy either.

mcgovern

There are at least 5 Behemoths in the game.
And I have to agree with LoadedNapalm, Fable 2 is much better game.

I'm probably about 30 hrs into Fallout 3 and its a very frustrating game, the story is mediocre, and the characters are woeful. Even though I'm playing as a good character I still want to shoot most of them to shut them up.

noodler

I have the thing sitting upstairs. It is my next game to get into.

Didn't realise it was so marmite-like, hope my love of JRPGS will mean I like it (even though its a WRPG before some1 says it).

Vic Vinegar

I can't believe people prefer Fable II to Fallout 3! Fable II is nothing more than a slight update to the first game with stupid button tappy games for jobs and a story that can be finished in the time it takes my gran to fart.

Ostrom

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

I can't believe people prefer Fable II to Fallout 3! Fable II is nothing more than a slight update to the first game with stupid button tappy games for jobs and a story that can be finished in the time it takes my gran to fart.

Both games have their appeal. Some like the complexity and freedom of fallout 3's structure, some like the granny fart simplicity of fable 2.

Both are excellent games in their own right (although I cant see the appeal as clearly in Fallout)

5uspect

I got so bored of Oblivion. It felt so clunky and boring but Fallout 3 has me hooked.
You can see where they shoe horned Fallout into Oblivion at times (

Vampires, Ghouls and Knights

) but once you spend a bit of time with it, and that seems to be the key, its so much fun.

Another thing I find, and this is one of the Oblivion with guns arguements, is that the whole inventory of weapons, items, rads and what not is much easier to get to grips with. In Oblivion the whole mana and points of this and points of that just confused me.

Building a weapon is just like making a potion in Oblivion but its recognisable for my little engineers head.

Oh and exploding pants ftw!

Slutmonkey57b

mcgovern wrote: »

Even though I'm playing as a good character I still want to shoot most of them to shut them up.

Why don't you? That's half the fun of fallout.

uberpixie

5uspect wrote: »

I got so bored of Oblivion. It felt so clunky and boring but Fallout 3 has me hooked.
You can see where they shoe horned Fallout into Oblivion at times (

Vampires, Ghouls and Knights

)

2/3 things mentioned were in fallout 1+2

Ghouls were always a feature of the game and the Brotherhood of steel are meant to be the techno knights of the wastelands

DirkVoodoo

Big fallout fan, I was playing fallout 2 up until last year and I had pretty high hopes for fallout 3.

Initially I was not disappointed, the game looked stunning and they seemed to have captured the look of the fallout universe. However the more I played the more I noticed the flaws: the console inspired simplicity, lack of true roleplaying, lack of character depth and above all a complete lack of the original twisted humor that made you want to live in a post apocalyptic wasteland.

By the time I finished the game I was ready to move on.

Don't get me wrong, fallout 3 is a good game. I have played lots of good games. I can't really see myself playing fallout 3 again. It was just too forgettable.

mawk

mcgovern wrote: »

There are at least 5 Behemoths in the game.

Even though I'm playing as a good character I still want to shoot most of them to shut them up.

there are indeed 5. but did anyone have trouble

making the last one spawn, the one closest to megaton. where you have to open the right shopping cart to make him spawn. that seemed pure bent..

still though, got them all and received my precious achievement

the only ones I REALLY wanted to shoot were the little fuuckers in little lamplight. so annoying..

johnny_ultimate

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

I can't believe people prefer Fable II to Fallout 3! Fable II is nothing more than a slight update to the first game with stupid button tappy games for jobs and a story that can be finished in the time it takes my gran to fart.

I have played a huge amount of both, and I think I prefer Fable II at the end of the day. Fallout is a very good game indeed - the world is wonderfully realised, the freedom is terrific and overall it is a very engrossing piece of work. However, the exact same can be said of Fable II, but it is implemented differently. The social aspects may be simplistic in execution, but the freedom you have in how you go about these simple interactions is pretty impressive too - you can talk to, fight, marry anyone you want within the game world. The economic side of the game is wildly addictive. The game world is a tightly designed fantasy universe. The accessibility is a boon rather than a problem - it is pick up and play, and you can go off and do what you want (which is far harder to do in Fallout due to the level and skills based system they employ).

Both games have a lot of good points, but both have problems - Fable II can be a bit of a technical mess, while Fallout 3s Wasteland can feel a little too cold and overly scripted when it comes to interactions with other people (the game really draws you in when exploring on your own). But they are both very different games, and both are very worthy on their own terms. Fable II is a very cleverly designed game underneath the playful superficial appearances.

RaverRo808

I pondered on peoples comments here regarding my intial comment and decided to give it the benefit of the doubt,and after 50 hours of play Im sticking to my guns(no pun intended),its a very uninvoling,boring,cold game,I know its a serious RPG but there is absolutely no emotion or humour about it at all,it is Obilvion with guns without a doubt,but the concept of a medievil stlye fantasy land in oblivion is a far better concept for the engine then a post nuclear war acopcalypse world portrayed in Fallout,I know the appeal is in you can do what you want,and go where you want,but that doesnt nessacarily mean thats what make a game good,a small amount of linearity is needed in my view,Obilivion for me is the superior game

Ciaran500

RaverRo808 wrote: »

after 50 hours of play

50hrs of play in 23hrs?

norrie rugger

Zulu wrote: »

I got addicted. Payed too much over xmas. Way too much. It was a good game.
Highly addictive, but only good tbh.

Still, I'm not sure what I wanted to be honest. Best game of last year mind you (but that wasn't very hard).

It could have done with more super mutant bohemouths (sp?). I only had the joy of coming across one.

Fight your way into the centre of the capitol building and there is another one.

Very easy to kill though as you can stay in a hallway that he can not reach and take him out from long range.

Also it is waaaaaayyyyy too easy on medium, my next play through has to be on harder settings

5uspect

uberpixie wrote: »

2/3 things mentioned were in fallout 1+2

Ghouls were always a feature of the game and the Brotherhood of steel are meant to be the techno knights of the wastelands

Ah, I see. I haven't played the previous games and I just figured they added those for convenience as they're similar to Oblivion. I saw Fallout 1 & 2 in a bundle recently for €5 somewhere, I'll have to pick them up.

As regards the game being cold, I have numerous laugh out loud moments.

Vault exhibition in the Technology Museum where the vioce over describes the self cleaning vault where you never have to clean again and there's a poor skeleton on the floor beside a mob and bucket

uberpixie

5uspect wrote: »

Ah, I see. I haven't played the previous games and I just figured they added those for convenience as they're similar to Oblivion. I saw Fallout 1 & 2 in a bundle recently for €5 somewhere, I'll have to pick them up.

You can pick them up from GOG.com for $6 each. The advantage of buying from Good old games is that the games are fully patched and reworked to work with XP/Vista. (you also get little extras like the sound track etc..)

There can be jiggery pokery getting fallout 1 working on xp if you buy an off the shelf copy but you can look up for a guide on No munants allowed to get it working fine.

MOH

oeb wrote: »

Talk about pulling at straws! You know what he means when he describes it as oblivion with guns. That's like saying something like Zombie Panic Source should not be considered a half life mod, because you know, can become a zombie! Totally different!!!!1

I don't call it that mind, because I think it is significantly worse than oblivion (And I am a huge fan of the fallout licence). But I am also of the opinion that this is the kind of end result I would expect to see from a modder team doing a total conversion based on oblivion.

Huh? I wasn't pulling at straws, I was arguing the 3 main points the OP made.

If the 'oblivion with guns' comment hadn't been entrenched in people's minds before the game was released, people wouldn't be going around saying it. VATS alone makes a huge difference to how the game is played. Unless of course you don't bother getting used to it.

I got bored with Oblivion halfway through, but I was glued to this all the way through, and I'll probably play through it at least once more when I get time.

Valmont

I don't completely agree with the OP, but I was disappointed with Fallout 3. I played it start to finish and all the side missions but there comes a point that you are just unbeatable and everything gets very repetitive. Abandoned building - full of super mutants X 100. Oblivion was far more impressive and had much more replay value.

pwd

It's a great game. I found it funny.

The antagoniser versus the the mechanist or whatever he was called was done well and stood out for me, even if the quixotic/delusional superhoeroes and villains joke is fairly old by now

I played it on medium straight through, concentrating on the main quest and only doing a handful of the side quests that i stumbled across. It does get pretty easy at the end when you have the good equipment and if you leveled up in a halfway senile manner - I think that most games where you can select traits to level up become too easy at some point though if you make sensible choices (immediate strong examples that spring to mnd are ff tactics and deus ex) - I guess this is because they base the difficulty curve on stupid leveling choices to prevent the possibilty of the game becoming unplayable for players who make bad choices.
I started another game on hard intending to do a lot of the side quests and play as an evil character. I found that fun but lost interest after a while. I was still neutral when I topped playing - I saved megaton again because I liked having the house to store stuff in

DirkVoodoo

I too was disappointed with the super mutant and Enclave offerings. Whereas they were tough SOBs that required strategy in the originals, too often in Fallout 3 I found myself confronted with a wave of them at a time, struggling to pick between a laser rifle or hunting rifle head shots to take them out.

I'm sorry, but you can't escape the fact that fallout 3 has been dumbed down (I'm not getting on my very high horse here and being intel-licktual, when I say dumbed down I mean it offers little depth or challenge). I'm not saying lets go back to isometric viewpoints with grids, I do like the new look and the introduction of VATS, but the combat goes beyond simple. It's downright tedious and moves from being exciting at the start to a chore towards the end.

Perhaps this is poor character and game design that didn't plan beyond characters reaching level 10, or maybe, just maybe, it is the face of console gaming rearing its ugly head again. Now, I'm not getting into some fanboy debate, they can check their loyalties at the door. I play PS3, xbox 360 (both my younger brother's) and my PC and while gaming has got more technically complicated in the last 10 years and made the move to more cinematic ideals (along with cinematic budgets), a lot of modern games, RPGs in particular, seem to focus on cheap thrills rather than rewarding gameplay. I was never a D&D player mind, that kind of game is a bit too extreme for me, but fallout struck a nice balance between RPG and action. Fallout 3, for me, has swung just a bit too far into the action realm.

norrie rugger

1 thing that really gets to me

ghouls
mutants
scorpions
cenaturs

I wish that there were a few more enemy characters

RichTea

I tried to buy this yesterday. Nowhere in town had it for the 360. Bought a jumper instead. The OP probably thinks I got a good deal out of this but what say the rest of ye?

Jumper or Fallout 3?

5uspect

Heh, I was never much of an RPG player, Ocarina of time was probobly the last true RPG I played and truely enjoyed. As I already said Oblivion bored me to tears, but on the other hand I quite enjoyed STALKER even though it was a buggy mess.

When I bought Fallout 3 a friend (who would be one of them War Crack, JRPG types ) was shocked that I of all people would play such a game. (I'm normally a fps player)

Fallout 3 may be dumbed down but maybe thats why it appeals more to me. As someone who's clueless about RPGs and the complexities of character micromanagement I find it quite intutative. The combat is piss easy alright.

5uspect

RichTea wrote: »

I tried to buy this yesterday. Nowhere in town had it for the 360. Bought a jumper instead. The OP probably thinks I got a good deal out of this but what say the rest of ye?

Jumper or Fallout 3?

I got the special edition box set version for €35 in Gamestop before xmas for the 360. Not a hope in hell my current PC would run it. Oddly enough I can't find GTA IV anywhere here in Limerick, but I've seen plenty of Fallout around.

silvine

Oblivion was far more impressive and had much more replay value.

Have to disagree with you there. A lot of Oblivion's environments looked the same and it was hard to distinguish one town from the last. Fallout 3's environments are more varied e.g. Rivet City, Megaton, Downtown Washington.

Bethseda fixed many of the problems in Oblivion e.g. you don't have to spend as much time navigating the game's menus or performing repitive tasks to level e.g. jumping up and down to increase your athletics skill.

The side quests are more varied and interesting in Fallout 3 eg Agatha's song, the bomb in Megaton. Admittedly there is less of them than in Oblivion but it's quality not quantity.
There's over a 100 locations in the game anyway. It's still pretty big compared to any other game released in 2008.

The way Bethseda handled levelling in Fallout 3 is still better than how they approaced it in Oblivion. It was a bit silly in that game finding level 50 crabs or bandits with Mithrihil armour.

Fallout 3 does get easy towards the end but I am hoping the DLC will introduce new enemies and raise the player's and enemies level caps. And if you are finding it easy you can always crank up the difficulty level yourself.

It's far from perfect, there's lot of silly little bugs but it is most definately not a disappointment.

PS A jumper or Fallout 3? It is pretty cold at the moment. Perfect weather for staying in and playing Fallout 3.

RichTea

silvine wrote: »

PS A jumper or Fallout 3? It is pretty cold at the moment. Perfect weather for staying in and playing Fallout 3.

Oooooh good salesmanship. Jumper sellers beware! Business - down!

MOH

RichTea wrote: »

Oooooh good salesmanship. Jumper sellers beware! Business - down!

It'll get even worse when people start downloading them.


I'd go with Fallout 3 ahead of the jumper, can use it in the summer too.

norrie rugger

MOH wrote: »

It'll get even worse when people start downloading them.

Downloading jumpers???? Digital sheep then


Any idea when there will be a patch/update comming?
for fallout3 mind and not a patch for jumpers

nevaeh-2die-4

this is one of the best games ever made.

i was never into oblivion at all , i dont really feel, its like oblivion with guns.
i have put in a 100 hours into this games so far and am loving it. i have never played a game so much certainly value for money. its the game of 2008 hands down. gta comes no where near it. i havent played any other games since this came out besides a bit of that **** game cod5.



Roll on the DLC.

Sarky

Does anyone else want a mod that adds your own Highwayman automobile for Mad Max-style road battles?

Ardscoil Ris

I thought it was a good, but not great game. I would give it 8/10.

nevaeh-2die-4

just finished the game i loved it, ending kinda sucks.