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Bail for people charged with murder?

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  • #2
    Ponster
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    lostexpectation wrote: »
    ok so one person allegedly bashed somebody head in with a brick and another allegedly stabs her brother and the allowed walk around free.... ?

    Yep. The key word is allegedly, joined with the judges opinion if the person is a risk to themselves or others, or if the person is likely to flee.


  • #3
    seanybiker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    It sure is a bit mad alright. I dont think they offer bail on the grounds of repeating the act rather more of how much of a flight risk they are. Charging someone does'nt mean 100% that they did it no matter how obvious.


  • #4
    lostexpectation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    they charged these people with murder not manslaughter they should be on remand.


  • #5
    evercloserunion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭evercloserunion


    No, the likelihood of getting bail is not based on the severity of the offence but on the likelihood that they will abscond or re-commit.


  • #6
    Ponster
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    lostexpectation wrote: »
    they charged these people with murder not manslaguhter they should be on remand.


    Nope. The conditions for bail have usually nothing to do with the crime for which the person is being tried. Remad only applies to people who have been refused bail by a judge. If there is reasonable doubt that the person didn't commit the crime (i.e. they weren't found hacking the victim's body to pieces screaming "I DID IT!!!") then they are presumed innocent and normally granted bail.


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  • #7
    ottostreet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    I seem to remember Joe O' Reilly being out and about on bail til his trial?


  • #8
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    The three murders mentioned in this thread are probably once-offs if you know what I mean. They are murders with motives, not just some random killing. So really the chance of the alleged murderers reoffending is quite low.


  • #9
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    I wish the rags would stop using the word Slain. It always makes me think of the bible.


  • #10
    tomcollins97
    Closed Accounts Posts: 951 ✭✭✭tomcollins97


    Bail is a right & not a privilege. Under our judicial system everyone is innocent until proven guilty so there is no reason to detain someone unless the gardai/DPP deem them to be a danger to themselves or others or likely to abscond.


  • #11
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Yah, what's with this: innocent until proven guilty malarky?

    If they're charged, they're clearly guilty. Why can they walk free? If you ask me they should be stoned to death as soon as they are charged! Save the wasted time/money of the courts rabble rabble rabble....

    :rolleyes:


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  • #12
    livvy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭livvy


    Im all for having an opinion but any case that is currently before the court should not be discussed on any forum. These are real people with real families. Fair City or Eastenders - go to town.


  • #13
    Sleipnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    lostexpectation wrote: »
    they charged these people with murder not manslaughter they should be on remand.

    They always charge them with murder and the accused will always plead not guilty to that.
    There's no difference in jail times between pleading guilty to murder and pleading not guilty and then being convicted. Sentence is the same for both so even if an accused has done it, and admits it, they'll always plead not guilty in court because they might get away with it then!

    So, the gardai will always go for murder because they assume that if the case starts to not go their way, they can offer guilty to manslaghter and it would usually be taken.


  • #14
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    I've deleted six posts here.

    Please do not speculate here on the guilt or innocence of those accused as it may interfere with their trials.

    This is not a tabloid newspaper.


  • #15
    irishvamp90
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭irishvamp90


    ok i will remove it sorry just got it in a mail.how do i remove it?


  • #16
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    I removed it.


  • #17
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    lostexpectation wrote: »
    ok im going all daily after mails hours

    Slain Celine's husband free after finally raising bail
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/slain-celines-husband-free--after-finally-raising-bail-1592926.html
    Bail for woman on brother death charge
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/bail-for-woman-on-brother-death-charge-1592843.html

    ok so one person allegedly bashed somebody head in with a brick and another allegedly stabs her brother and the allowed walk around free.... ?



    He is from a wealthy background.

    She is female.

    Bail on! Though the inequalities dont end there. His bail is six figure. Hers is 2500 euro!


  • #18
    Professey Chin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    stovelid wrote: »
    I wish the rags would stop using the word Slain. It always makes me think of the bible.
    Makes me think of concerts


  • #19
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    Bail on! Though the inequalities dont end there. His bail is six figure. Hers is 2500 euro!
    Bail is supposed to represent a bond that would make you think twice about losing before you abscond. If you skip bail, you lose the money you put up for it. In that case, €2,500 bail for a millionaire doesn't represent much of a risk.

    I would say that if someone has previously been convicted of a serious crime or has previously skipped bail, then the question of bail shouldn't even be entertained. Outside of that, leave it up to the judge.


  • #20
    marzic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭marzic


    I dont have a huge problem with these people getting bail, but I do think the conditions should be tougher, apart from handing over the pasport and signing on at the GS, they should be made to do the hokey-pokey every time a bus passes by, might disuade them from leaving the house... and it would be funny especially when there isnt a bus for ages and then 3 come together


  • #21
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    seamus wrote: »
    Bail is supposed to represent a bond that would make you think twice about losing before you abscond. If you skip bail, you lose the money you put up for it. In that case, €2,500 bail for a millionaire doesn't represent much of a risk.

    I would say that if someone has previously been convicted of a serious crime or has previously skipped bail, then the question of bail shouldn't even be entertained. Outside of that, leave it up to the judge.


    Oh please. Most regular adult male defendants are not offered the chance to post affordable bail in murder cases. It is because she is female, simple as.


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