National Pride

Kold

What's the big deal? What has anyone else's accomplishments got to do with me? I feel that it's probably nice to rely on if you yourself have nothing to be proud of.

By all means know your history but as for feeling deep rooted attachments to people that were dead before you were born. Be happy for the people that contributed to your freedoms today but surely you should celebrate champions of your ideals despite whether they were born within 100 miles of where you were born.

I'm English by birth, the only time I feel any form of nationalistic sensation is when I'm supporting England's football team. Mainly because I take an interest in football and it's a lot better to watch when you back the team, chances are that they'll have more players from the club I support too.
I guess it seems a lot easier for me to disassociate from any form of national pride having my parents come from different countries than the one that I was born but I can't understand people's mentality when they try so hard to prove their country's superiority to the point of just plain idiocy. Sure we're all humans and I'm pretty sure there is no country with a much higher ratio of tools.

So is National Pride actually a virtue or something that all to often gets in the way of rational discussion?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

english bastard

FlutterinBantam

I fcuking knew it!!!!

biko

AHA! Busted!

humberklog

This should be flung over to the History and Heritage forum. They know how to handle your lot over there.

Kold

Nuh uh, my parents were married when they birthed my sexy ass.

Kold

humberklog wrote: »

This should be flung over to the History and Heritage forum. They know how to handle your lot over there.

Dying from potato famines and failed risings? lol.

shenanigans1982

Kold wrote: »

I'm English by birth, the only time I feel any form of nationalistic sensation is when I'm supporting England's football team. Mainly because I take an interest in football and it's a lot better to watch when you back the team, chances are that they'll have more players from the club I support too.

I'm Irish by birth and the main time I feel any form of nationalistic sensation is when I'm supporting the Football team England's playing against.

Also for the sin of being English you have been banished to Cork.

Kold

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

I'm Irish by birth and the main time I feel any form of nationalistic sensation is when I'm supporting the Football team England's playing against.

Also for the sin of being English you have been banished to Cork.

That's a sad state of affairs. Suppose it isn't that much worse than watching Trapp try and figure how to play a team which most of your best players refuse to play for :pac: Also, having lived in both Dub and Cork, Cork's a nicer place. Unbiased opinion too.

Hogzy

Hey... Kold... we dont take kindly to your folk round ere!:p

LEIN

Kold wrote: »

What's the big deal? What has anyone else's accomplishments got to do with me? I feel that it's probably nice to rely on if you yourself have nothing to be proud of.

By all means know your history but as for feeling deep rooted attachments to people that were dead before you were born. Be happy for the people that contributed to your freedoms today but surely you should celebrate champions of your ideals despite whether they were born within 100 miles of where you were born.

I'm English by birth, the only time I feel any form of nationalistic sensation is when I'm supporting England's football team. Mainly because I take an interest in football and it's a lot better to watch when you back the team, chances are that they'll have more players from the club I support too.
I guess it seems a lot easier for me to disassociate from any form of national pride having my parents come from different countries than the one that I was born but I can't understand people's mentality when they try so hard to prove their country's superiority to the point of just plain idiocy. Sure we're all humans and I'm pretty sure there is no country with a much higher ratio of tools.

So is National Pride actually a virtue or something that all to often gets in the way of rational discussion?

That's one hell of a rant and i just wasted a few seconds of my life reading it!

Kold

Ok, anyone actually willing to discuss 'National Pride' here? It's not like I'm much of an Englishman anyway, seeing as my parents are Irish and Vietnamese.

tony1kenobi

Kold wrote: »

So is National Pride actually a virtue or something that all to often gets in the way of rational discussion?

I can send you a list of 12000 English people that won't answer that question for you.

javaboy

Brennans > Irish Pride.

Hogzy

Sinne Fianna Fail ata fa gheall ag Eirinn...

Davidius

Kold wrote: »

Ok, anyone actually willing to discuss 'National Pride' here?

No

It's not like I'm much of an Englishman anyway, seeing as my parents are Irish and Vietnamese.

So you're a communist now!? Trying to steal our glorious invention of freedom and christianity!

Wait, what country are we again?

javaboy

Kold wrote: »

Ok, anyone actually willing to discuss 'National Pride' here?

It's come up a fair few times before in other topics (and probably in its own too). There's no harm in cheering on your national sports team or being proud that your country has produced well renowned scientists etc. even if it has sfa to do with you or happened before you were born.

I hate when people say for instance that because the Irish emigrated years ago, you're not allowed hold certain views on immigration. As far as I'm concerned that had nothing to do with me. But for the same reason, I probably shouldn't be entitled to be proud of Irish achievements that also had nothing to do with me.

With that said, Ray Houghton* is a legend (x2).


Go on, somebody say it.

Davidius

javaboy wrote: »

Go on, somebody say it.

It.

humberklog

Ray Houghton's half Vietnamese ffs.

shenanigans1982

javaboy wrote: »

With that said, Ray Houghton* is a legend (x2).

True, Roy Keane wishes he was Ray Houghton.

Hogzy

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

True, Roy Keane wishes he was Ray Houghton.

Roy Keane is a fool!

dlofnep

Kold wrote: »

I'm English by birth

Mystery solved.

Kold

dlofnep wrote: »

Mystery solved.

What mystery?

Davidius

Kold wrote: »

What mystery?

Wouldn't you like to know, comrade?

humberklog

The mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in your 7001 posts.

LEIN

Think this thread has lost the run of its self now.

dlofnep

Kold wrote: »

What mystery?

Yore ma.

Fratton Fred

although i sometimes get embarrased about the way my fellow countrymen go on about winning something years ago, i suppose it is not as bad as going on about almost gettghng to the final!

Kold

Damo9090 wrote: »

Think this thread has lost the run of its self now.

Pretty much after the OP. Fail thread is fail. Reason: You're all bastards.

Abi

Father Mordmas wrote: »

english bastard

Lmao.

National pride? Proud of what, exactly? We are in a crappy little corner of Europe with a bunch of crooked morans in the control room. The 'culture' we had to speak of has worn thin, and dare I say, tacky. If we dont believe it, how could anyone else buy it? Backward, plain, boring .. Zzzz.. No style bunch of w@nkers. Its a farce of a place.

Dont tell me Im still on that feckin island :-(

brianthebard

Kold wrote: »

Ok, anyone actually willing to discuss 'National Pride' here? It's not like I'm much of an Englishman anyway, seeing as my parents are Irish and Vietnamese.

Do you have a sister/are you female??

On topic, nationalism is silly. there's really nothing more or less to it. It revolves around a myth that the people in charge/majority of the people who live in an area always lived in that area, and have various noble and unique traits that give them a right to live there, and not others. national pride is like a top up nationalism every now and again.

LEIN

Kold wrote: »

Pretty much after the OP. Fail thread is fail. Reason: You're all bastards.

In fairness you posted it in Ah what did you expect?

nyarlothothep

I have no national pride, I was born here though I am not particularly Irish, depending on how you define Irishness. I have never identified with Irish culture at all, though I have no problem with it.

As for patriotism that is a different story. When everyone is expected to think and behave in the same way for fear of being labeled a traitor, yes I have an issue with that.