law re carrying children

by8auj6csd3ioq

I gave a lift to a friend and 2 children who are 11 and I guess average size for 11. Is this illegal without special seats? I know my sister has special seat for some of the children, what exactly is it and is it enforced?


Thanks

unkel

Melody Zealous Statistic wrote: »

I gave a lift to a friend and 2 children who are 11 and I guess average size for 11. Is this illegal without special seats? I know my sister has special seat for some of the children, what exactly is it and is it enforced?


Thanks

If they are not yet 12, they must be over 1.35m in height!

Wishbone Ash

If they are between 22 and 36kgs, they are required to have a booster cushion.

by8auj6csd3ioq

unkel wrote: »

If they are not yet 12, they must be over 1.35m in height!

Thanks. What is the penalty? I am not sure of their height but I would not they are small for their age. 1.35m is a meter and 35 cm or mm? If cm it is approx 4 ft ..4 isn't it

Danbo!

Melody Zealous Statistic wrote: »

Thanks. What is the penalty? I am not sure of their height but I would not they are small for their age. 1.35m is a meter and 35 cm or mm? If cm it is approx 4 ft ..4 isn't it

1.35m = 4.42ft = about 4ft 5 or 6 inches

L-M

I thought those law's only applied for front seat passenger?
Although it makes sense for very small children in the back.

by8auj6csd3ioq

Limerick-man wrote: »

I thought those law's only applied for front seat passenger?
Although it makes sense for very small children in the back.

No applies in back seat too. When it came in first there was a discusssion on Joe Duffy about taxis having to carry them in case of a fare with children. Not sure of the situation there

by8auj6csd3ioq

Limerick-man wrote: »

I thought those law's only applied for front seat passenger?
Although it makes sense for very small children in the back.

sorry posted twice

Wishbone Ash

Melody Zealous Statistic wrote: »

there was a discusssion on Joe Duffy about taxis having to carry them in case of a fare with children. Not sure of the situation there

PSVs are exempt from having them.

by8auj6csd3ioq

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

PSVs are exempt from having them.

mm wonder why they were complaining then?

Victor

Melody Zealous Statistic wrote: »

No applies in back seat too. When it came in first there was a discusssion on Joe Duffy about taxis having to carry them in case of a fare with children. Not sure of the situation there

Taxis have an exemption.

Wishbone Ash

Melody Zealous Statistic wrote: »

mm wonder why they were complaining then?

If I recall correctly, it was passengers with children who were complaining (i.e. expecting all taxis to have child seats available if required.).

by8auj6csd3ioq

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

If I recall correctly, it was passengers with children who were complaining (i.e. expecting all taxis to have child seats available if required.).

Yes you have a better memory than me.;) i knew there was some issue, sorry got it wrong

unkel

There seem to be many inconsistencies in the exact rules of having to use a child seat for those 11 year olds. I haven't found the official EU directive, but this is from the RSA.ie:

rsa.ie wrote:

Children aged 3 years or over who are under 150cms in height and weighing less than 36 kilograms (i.e. generally children up to 11/12 years old) must use the correct child seat, booster seat or booster cushion when travelling in cars or goods vehicles

Linky

So any age between 3 and 17 they must be >1.50m OR >36kg, otherwise they need a child seat.

The exact same paragraph can be found on citizensinformation.ie as well, so we can take it as true

Can anyone find the official EU link?

bazz26

I think it might be mentioned here:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexapi!prod!CELEXnumdoc&lg=EN&numdoc=32003L0020&model=guichett

unkel

I think you've found the original directive there, bazz26!

What pains me about the EU in general is the typical:

EU directive wrote:

Member States may, however, allow, in their territory...

Found many times in your link. But that's a rant for another day I suppose...