Surplus ammo. Luxembourg

PJ Hunter

http://www.armurerie.lu/Produits/produits_details.asp?ID=84

€28/100R

Sikamick

PJ Hunter wrote: »

http://www.armurerie.lu/Produits/produits_details.asp?ID=84

€28/100R

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Great link and great prices PJ, one wonders why we are paying so much more for our ammo here.

Also in looking at the link there doesn't seem to be a problem with getting pistols there.

Any idea what the firearms licensing law are.


Sikamick

Red Renard

Whats the price for 20 rounds lapua 308 match here.

28 cent per round 308 surplus.





6mm BR NORMA HPBT 6,80gr
431604626,7 € / 20 pcs
126,9 € / 100 pcs
Lapua (19/02/08).308 Win FMJ 9,72gr431753824,2 € / 20 pcs
115 € / 100 pcs

Lapua 6,5 x 55 Swedish scenars. HPBT 9,00gr431603023,1 € / 20 pcs
109,8 € / 100 pcs


HECKLER & KOCHMP5 - VENDU-9x19Point rougeH&K-MP53800 €

PISTOLETGLOCK19C9mmmalette664 €

It wasn't me!

Red Renard wrote: »

Whats the price for 20 rounds lapua 308 match here.

28 cent per round 308 surplus.





6mm BR NORMA HPBT 6,80gr
431604626,7 € / 20 pcs
126,9 € / 100 pcs
Lapua (19/02/08).308 Win FMJ 9,72gr431753824,2 € / 20 pcs
115 € / 100 pcs

Lapua 6,5 x 55 Swedish scenars. HPBT 9,00gr431603023,1 € / 20 pcs
109,8 € / 100 pcs


HECKLER & KOCHMP5 - VENDU-9x19Point rougeH&K-MP53800 €

PISTOLETGLOCK19C9mmmalette664 €

Those prices are pretty stunning. Less than two quid for 6BR? I'd absolutely love to shoot ISSF 300m, and for that price, I'd give it a shot, but it's frighteningly expensive otherwise. Roll on reloading at some stage (Minister only gets so long in office) and then I'll be right into that.

PJ Hunter

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Those prices are pretty stunning. Less than two quid for 6BR? I'd absolutely love to shoot ISSF 300m, and for that price, I'd give it a shot, but it's frighteningly expensive otherwise. Roll on reloading at some stage (Minister only gets so long in office) and then I'll be right into that.

Boston or Brussels.
Whats the price for 20 rounds lapua 308 match here.

28 cent per round 308 surplus.

Friend, did a walk the other day when asked to pay €50+euro for 308T
Can he find reasonably accurate surplus anywhere in the roi for practice.

It wasn't me!

PJ Hunter wrote: »

Boston or Brussels.
Whats the price for 20 rounds lapua 308 match here.

28 cent per round 308 surplus.

Friend, did a walk the other day when asked to pay €50+euro for 308T
Can he find reasonably accurate surplus anywhere in the roi for practice.

No idea. If he shoots target rifle, he'll probably attend matches in the north and in England, and there's definitely stuff available there.


As far as I recall, 6BR is all over €2 a pop, which bodes badly for my financial future.

PJ Hunter

read some shooters in the USA reload on the cheap by using surplus 308, then go about re-measuring the power to exactly the same amount for each case.They then change the bullet if necessary for hunting, target or just re-use the original. Is it allowable to do the same here or is it too dangerous to be allowed:o

foxshooter243

PJ Hunter wrote: »

read some shooters in the USA reload on the cheap by using surplus 308, then go about re-measuring the power to exactly the same amount for each case.They then change the bullet if necessary for hunting, target or just re-use the original. Is it allowable to do the same here or is it too dangerous to be allowed:o

ive seen this practise here as well, it demands the use of a hornady bullet puller and a resizing die with the decapping pin cut short to enable the pulled bullet to be resized and not deprimed, the load is then worked up using a chronograph and a fresh bullet to find a safe and accurate load, its actually cheaper than reloading..

Traumadoc

But how do you know which powder it is, when working up the load or do you use commercial powder?

Would the FMJs be allowed for hunting?

Sikamick

Traumadoc wrote: »

But how do you know which powder it is, when working up the load or do you use commercial powder?

Would the FMJs be allowed for hunting?

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I would not use FMJ for hunting because of its deep penetration and a lack of expansion.

Sikamick

foxshooter243

Traumadoc wrote: »

But how do you know which powder it is, when working up the load or do you use commercial powder?

Would the FMJs be allowed for hunting?

Its done by cross referencing the powder against the bullet weight, for example if you pull a bullet from a fmj nato mill surp in 308 calibre youll find the bullet weighs 144 grain, you would then cross reference this info to a powder burn chart to find the nearest equivalent, then you drop back the powder weight and make up a sample round, using your now replaced bullet as you would be replacing the original bullet for either a hunting or accuracy application. Then by firing this round over a chronograph you will discover your speed for beginning to work up a load
safely within the parameters for that particular bullet.The burn rate for powder currently being used in Nato ammo is approx ten percent faster than Varget as listed in the Hornady reloading manual.Its quite a common practise amongst reloaders stateside, but remember they have their neck resizing die altered by shortening the depriming pin so as not to knock out the primer.After firing you simply toss the brass , its as fast as conventional reloading if you use the hornady bullet puller which is capable of pulling 300 rounds per hour. The practise wouldnt be legal here as it constitutes remanufactured ammo methinks:rolleyes:

PJ Hunter

foxshooter243 wrote: »

Its done by cross referencing the powder against the bullet weight, for example if you pull a bullet from a fmj nato mill surp in 308 calibre youll find the bullet weighs 144 grain, you would then cross reference this info to a powder burn chart to find the nearest equivalent, then you drop back the powder weight and make up a sample round, using your now replaced bullet as you would be replacing the original bullet for either a hunting or accuracy application. Then by firing this round over a chronograph you will discover your speed for beginning to work up a load
safely within the parameters for that particular bullet.The burn rate for powder currently being used in Nato ammo is approx ten percent faster than Varget as listed in the Hornady reloading manual.Its quite a common practise amongst reloaders stateside, but remember they have their neck resizing die altered by shortening the depriming pin so as not to knock out the primer.After firing you simply toss the brass , its as fast as conventional reloading if you use the hornady bullet puller which is capable of pulling 300 rounds per hour. The practise wouldnt be legal here as it constitutes remanufactured ammo methinks:rolleyes:

Great stuff foxshooter. Friend is from the north originally and is going
to take up reloading across the border. Buying surplus, reloading it
as suggested will give him a years shooting for the price of four or five
boxes of factory ammo bought in the south.:o

Jonty

Remember that military surplus brass is thicker than civvie stuff. This means that it won't hold as much powder as the civvie stuff.

Basically if you attempt to copy a load out of a load manual and use milspec brass you've gotta kick down the powder charge by a couple of grains to prevent overpressure.

foxshooter243

Jonty wrote: »

Remember that military surplus brass is thicker than civvie stuff. This means that it won't hold as much powder as the civvie stuff.

Basically if you attempt to copy a load out of a load manual and use milspec brass you've gotta kick down the powder charge by a couple of grains to prevent overpressure.

yeah thats true jonty, but as the idea behind this is to pull the millitary FMJ bullet and replace it with a more accurate bullet, then it goes without saying that you drop the powder weight to correspond with your new bullet and use a chronograph to work up the new load, by cross referencing the speed you are getting against the reduced powder charge,
against known powder burn rates.The speed you are getting across the chrony will give you a point of reference against known powder/bullet tables, if you get my drift...then you work up a load safely and accurise the mill surp round.