Dry Firing

BountyHunter

Hi All,

Decided to start doing some dry firing at home after the Christmas as I'm not getting to the range that often at the moment, I'm not sure where to get the snap caps though,I think thats what they're called anyway? Can anyone point me in the right direction? PM me if that would work either. Nearly forgot the snaps caps ar for a .22...
And a Happy Christmas and New Year to everybody.

Regards,
BountyHunter.

rrpc

The NSRA shop sell them for £6.50/100

You can also use spent .22 shells, but it's a bit fiddly getting them in the breech and you have to keep turning them.

Rovi

Some .22 guns can be dry fired without doing damage, what have you got?

You occasionally see .22 snapcaps in gun dealers, but they're not terribly successful items, as they wear out quickly due to the nature of them having to absorb the impact of the firing pin on a pretty thin section of plastic, unlike a centrefire snapcap which can have some sort of proper shock absorbing system built into it, making them virtually indestructible.

Most people use fired cases as snapcaps in .22s, rotating them every few 'snaps' to present a new piece of rim to the firing pin.
Just be sure they really are empties when inserting them and remove them before putting the gun away or handing it to someone else, to prevent foul language and palpitations when someone opens an allegedly 'empty' gun to find shiny brass inside.

rrpc

I must be on ignore

bunny shooter

rrpc wrote: »

I must be on ignore

Nooooooooooooooooooooo ! Fighting temptation to say it. It's xmass

Rovi

rrpc wrote: »

I must be on ignore

Who said that?
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Nah, yours and mine were composed/posted pretty much at the same time; and there was another one posted a little while later that the poster subsequently chose to delete.
We're all saying the same thing anyway.

BountyHunter

rrpc wrote: »

The NSRA shop sell them for £6.50/100

You can also use spent .22 shells, but it's a bit fiddly getting them in the breech and you have to keep turning them.

The only online shop I didnt think off, typical.. Spent shells might work but agree, very fiddly probably but will give them a go

Rovi wrote: »

Some .22 guns can be dry fired without doing damage, what have you got?

You occasionally see .22 snapcaps in gun dealers, but they're not terribly successful items, as they wear out quickly due to the nature of them having to absorb the impact of the firing pin on a pretty thin section of plastic, unlike a centrefire snapcap which can have some sort of proper shock absorbing system built into it, making them virtually indestructible.

Most people use fired cases as snapcaps in .22s, rotating them every few 'snaps' to present a new piece of rim to the firing pin.
Just be sure they really are empties when inserting them and remove them before putting the gun away or handing it to someone else, to prevent foul language and palpitations when someone opens an allegedly 'empty' gun to find shiny brass inside.

I have an Anschutz 2013 Rovi, have it since last April I think, very happy with it, its definately more than enough for my ability:P:P
Thanks for the reminder re: leaving brass in breach, foul language would be an understatement:eek:

Another question I have is this, as the matches I'm getting used to are 60 shots should I get down and actually dry fire 60 or is there a particular technique to this training?
Cheers,
BountyHunter

IRLConor

BountyHunter wrote: »

Another question I have is this, as the matches I'm getting used to are 60 shots should I get down and actually dry fire 60 or is there a particular technique to this training?

There are two things I've used dry firing for in the past:

• Checking that my zero doesn't change through the shot (and hence that recoil is the only thing to worry about).
• Seeing if I can find a way of reloading that minimises the deviation of my position from zero.

In other words, I wouldn't shoot a whole match-worth.

That said, I don't dry-fire that much since any time I have the rifle I usually have ammo and am in the range. The temptation to live fire is too much!

Rovi

BountyHunter wrote: »

I have an Anschutz 2013...

From the 2013 manual-

Dry firing device
The length of the spring-supported firing pin is adjusted so that it definitely ignites the cartridges. If there is no cartridge or cartridge case in the chamber, the firing pin as well as the rim of the chamber may be damaged when dryfiring for a longer period. In order to prevent any possible damage use either a cartridge case (after about 5 practice shots insert a different case) or preferably the training firing pin 1807T-12. With this device you can practice under competition conditions without having to use ammunition.

The procedure for changing the firing pin is described in the chapter "To disassemble and reassemble the bolt".

Do not forget to exchange the training firing pin for the original one for live firing.

Wonder how much a 'training firing pin' costs?

IRLConor

Rovi wrote: »

Wonder how much a 'training firing pin' costs?

I'd hazard a guess that you could get several hundred snap caps for the cost of one.

Sparks

I have the 2013 myself - the training firing pin is a lot more than a bag of snapcaps, and I'd rather not try swapping firing pins in the middle of a match if I wanted to dry-fire a round or two to settle my position!

meathshooter

http://www.smartreloader.com/snap-caps-cal-22lr-blister-of-50pcs-p-3615.html?zenid=a17611dfcb0923c1b41ab7e87a7bead5

shipping is a bit dear ,sold out at the moment but they wont have them this side off chirstmas

deerhunter1

I stand to be corrected on this but you cannot dry fire rim fire pistols or revolvere

Rovi wrote: »

Some .22 guns can be dry fired without doing damage, what have you got?

You occasionally see .22 snapcaps in gun dealers, but they're not terribly successful items, as they wear out quickly due to the nature of them having to absorb the impact of the firing pin on a pretty thin section of plastic, unlike a centrefire snapcap which can have some sort of proper shock absorbing system built into it, making them virtually indestructible.

Most people use fired cases as snapcaps in .22s, rotating them every few 'snaps' to present a new piece of rim to the firing pin.
Just be sure they really are empties when inserting them and remove them before putting the gun away or handing it to someone else, to prevent foul language and palpitations when someone opens an allegedly 'empty' gun to find shiny brass inside.

Sparks

You can, but only if they're double-action or specially designed for it (some ISSF pistols have electronic triggers just for this, or mechanical mechanisms that let you set and dryfire the trigger without moving the hammer or firing pin). You could dry-fire single-action pistols by cocking them by hand each time of course.

This does pretty much nixes the ability to dry-fire rapid-fire events. Those, well, the saying about training for rapid-fire events is that you're about ready when you can't move because you're knee-deep in brass...

Kryten

The Walther GSP has a dry fire trigger mechanism available. Great for rapid fire training. It has 5 clicks on a ratchet. The trigger can be set to feel like the real trigger, but is not identical. I find it great.

Sparks

That's not reallly rapid-fire training Kryten, it's just single=shot training done rapidly
Unless you've got the recoil, you don't know if your technique is okay.

bigred

Kryten wrote: »

The Walther GSP has a dry fire trigger mechanism available. Great for rapid fire training. It has 5 clicks on a ratchet. The trigger can be set to feel like the real trigger, but is not identical. I find it great.

Do you know if the Walther SSP or the Pardini SP have this function?

rrpc

bigred wrote: »

Do you know if the Walther SSP or the Pardini SP have this function?

No, neither do. In fact for RF pistol, I'm not sure what value if any it might have without the recoil.

The one Kryten has is a replacement trigger unit. I'm sure they can still be got for the GSP, but really those that know say that the only way to train for RF pistol is to train until you're up to your waist in brass. :eek:

Kryten

True, As well as no recoil, there is also no feedback from the target. Whilst not really simulating a live firing environment, the exercise is still very useful. I suppose the next step is a Skatt! Either that or living on the range and be up to your waist in brass every day

dbar

Not really dry firing, but to observe someones technique, or flinch,I read a very interesting article a while back.Its really for centrefire shooting.
Note: to do the following you will obviously observe all required safety procedures, I am not going to mention it for clarity purposes.

Basically, what you do is on the range, you get your buddy to load the magazine in your rifle, it is going to have some live rounds and some snap caps. You dont know which is which.

He will observe you while you shoot, the payback is when you fire a snapcap thinking it is a live round, it will show up flinch or any other nasty habits pretty much instantly.
I havnt tried it myself, but I think it is probably worth doing.

It wasn't me!

Heard that one before. It looks like a really good idea, definitely worth looking at if you're finding something not quite right about your shooting.

deerhunter1

Sparks wrote: »

You can, but only if they're double-action or specially designed for it (some ISSF pistols have electronic triggers just for this, or mechanical mechanisms that let you set and dryfire the trigger without moving the hammer or firing pin). You could dry-fire single-action pistols by cocking them by hand each time of course.

This does pretty much nixes the ability to dry-fire rapid-fire events. Those, well, the saying about training for rapid-fire events is that you're about ready when you can't move because you're knee-deep in brass...

Thanks for all the response's, Learn something new every day. Much appreciated