Yellow and Red cards and Black book - experiment rules

Curlypinkie

Hi guys,
Read in this morning's Metro and found this article in the Indo.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gaa-reveal-battle-plan-to-reclaim-games-1577541.html

I think that this could potentially change the dynamics of a team and a game in the running.

I'm not sure if I like the whole idea, even if it's meant to be aimed at "cleaning up" the game.

What are your opinions on this?

Mr. Incognito

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/1217/gaa.html

Stupid.

You're effectively sending a player off for a yellow card. Sure you can bring in a sub but in a game like the Munster final you could end up with 8 playing 8 once the 6 ubs are used.

In addition what's to stop weaker teams starting with 4 subs with the sole intention of provoking a teams top players. If I was Waterford for example I'd start a sub marking gooch, provoke him, they both get yellows for handbags and in comes your first team player.

It will suit teams with deeper panels no doubt- what happens with Ling and Forde get sent off for Wexford in a match.

Off for ten minutes maybe like rugby- but off for the whole game for two soft frees.

Idiotic.

premierstone

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Stupid.

You're effectively sending a player off for a yellow card. Sure you can bring in a sub but in a game like the Munster final you could end up with 8 playing 8 once the 6 ubs are used.

In addition what's to stop weaker teams starting with 4 subs with the sole intention of provoking a teams top players. If I was Waterford for example I'd start a sub marking gooch, provoke him, they both get yellows for handbags and in comes your first team player.

It will suit teams with deeper panels no doubt- what happens with Ling and Forde get sent off for Wexford in a match.

Off for ten minutes maybe like rugby- but off for the whole game for two soft frees.

Idiotic.

The whole idea is that the players will become self regulated once the reality hits that if they foul they're gone and i think your insulting any member of the Waterford panel to suggest he would train all year just so he could take Cooper out of a game now that is idiotic:mad:

Hitman Actual

Full list of new rules below from The Times. I'm actually happy enough to see most of the yellow card offenses being more harshly punished, particularly "remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official". [I think the Rules series showed that the Irish are a disgrace in that regard]. The only problem I see is "use hurley in a careless manner". That's far too ambiguous, imo.


I do like that there is a much better delineation of offenses as regards seriousness e.g. before you could, say, "wrestle with an opponent on the ground" and probably only get a 'black book', whereas now you know you're going to get a yellow and be off. Hopefully it will be easier for referees and players alike.

Irish Times wrote:

Substitutions : Three additional substitutions are allowed in extra-time but not from those already yellow- or red-carded.


New hurling and football yellow card offences : To pull down an opponent; trip an opponent; deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play; bring an arm or hurley around the neck of an opponent; wrestle with an opponent on the ground, and away from play; remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official; use hurley in a careless manner.


Black card offences : To threaten/use abusive or provocative language/gestures towards an opponent; threaten or use abusive or provocative language or gestures to a team-mate; engage in rough play; make a "pull" with the hurley from behind and around the body of an opponent that is not consistent with an attempt to play the ball; throw the hurley in a manner which constitutes a danger to another player; pull/take hold of a faceguard or any other part of an opponent's helmet; attempt to achieve advantage by feigning a foul or injury; hold an opponent with the hand(s); charge an opponent in the back or front.


Football alternatives : To block or attempt to block with the boot when opponent is kicking from the hand; prevent or attempt to prevent an opponent from lifting or kicking the ball off the ground by striking opponent's hand, arm, foot or leg with the boot; use the fist on, or around the body for the purpose of dispossessing him of the ball.

patmac

If they had applied these rules last Sunday it would have been 5-a side, not saying that would have been a bad thing by the way. So everytime a foul is committed will the ref stop the game to write down the black book or will a 4th official keep score, could lead to some confusion.
I hope it works out but will they change it like a few years back when Westmeath played Carlow and six players were sent off and then the rules were "relaxed"

Mr. Incognito

use the fist on, or around the body for the purpose of dispossessing him of the ball.

There'll be no-one left but the goalies and ref at halftime.

Hitman Actual

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

There'll be no-one left but the goalies and ref at halftime.

If it helps to stamp out one of the most broken rules in gaelic football, then I'm all for it.

Pride Fighter

There is nothing wrong with the rules atm. Its just that they are not enforced by many referees. These rules will only make our game as physical as basketball and tiddlywinks.

cruiserweight

deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play;

I like this rule, one of my pet hates and should help the flow of the game.

As for the yellow card thing, it is just an experiment. I doubt there will be any change. The sin bin was tried a few years ago, even though fouls were down and scores were up there was a lot of opposition and it was scraped

cruiserweight

Pride Fighter wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with the rules atm. Its just that they are not enforced by many referees. These rules will only make our game as physical as basketball and tiddlywinks.

What new rule or aspect of the rules do you think will result in this? Most of what is listed already is in the rule book, just looks like a regrading to be in place for the experiment

DonkeyPokerTour

They've missed the most important rule of all, why no upgrading of descent to a referee?

Look at rugby, at least 16guys on the field who make the ref look like a midget and you don't see them screaming at him, yet its "tolerated" in GAA because "ah he's just frustrated with the referee", "the referee made a bad decision so he has a right to complain" etc etc etc. Its simply not on!!!

In rugby the panellists give out about the referee's during most half times, but even still the players don't complain at the referees.

My solution is very simple. Instead of moving the ball 13meters/14yards my rule would be the free is moved half the distance between its current location and the goal up to a maximum of the 14yard line. It might sound harsh but it will stamp it out. Imagine you give away a free on the attacking 14yard line, a player gives descent and instead of them having to play the ball out of their backline they are now playing it from your half of the pitch!! That makes a huge difference, now giving descent at the attacking 45 gives the other team the free inside your 45meter line! In intercounty or senior club level this will usually be an easy score for your opponents. You might think twice about mouthing off to the referee after that happends once or twice.

I was talking to someone in the pub about that and he said that alot of players when they foul automatically go "Ah ref" and that its a totally natural response, but why is this considered acceptable, why should as soon as the whistle blows your attentions go to the referee. Screaming out "Ah" to me is acceptable, but directing it towards the referee is not. Its an absolute disgrace and goes on at every level from under 14's up! It needs to be cut out and cut out now!