Pro Bowl Rosters

Hazys

AFC

QB - Peyton Manning, Colts; Brett Favre, Jets; Jay Cutler, Broncos
RB - Thomas Jones, Jets; Chris Johnson, Titans; Ronnie Brown, Dolphins
FB - Le’Ron McClain, Ravens
WR - Andre Johnson, Texans and Brandon Marshall, Broncos; Reggie Wayne, Colts; Wes Welker, Patriots
TE - Tony Gonzalez, Chiefs; Antonio Gates, Chargers
T - Joe Thomas, Browns and Jason Peters, Bills; Michael Roos, Titans
G - Alan Faneca, Jets and Kris Dielman, Chargers; Brian Waters, Chiefs
C - Kevin Mawae, Titans; Nick Mangold, Jets
DE - Mario Williams, Texans and Dwight Freeney, Colts; Robert Mathis, Colts
DT - Albert Haynesworth, Titans and Kris Jenkins, Jets; Shaun Rogers, Browns
OLB - James Harrison, Steelers and Joey Porter, Dolphins; Terrell Suggs, Ravens
MLB - Ray Lewis, Ravens; James Farrior, Steelers
CB - Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders and Courtland Finnegan, Titans; Darrelle Revis, Jets
S - Ed Reed, Ravens and Troy Polamalu, Steelers; Chris Hope, Titans
K - Stephan Gostkowski, Patriots
P - Shane Lechler, Raiders
KR - Leon Washington, Jets
ST - Brendon Ayanbadejo, Ravens

NFC

QB -Kurt Warner, Cardinals; Drew Brees, Saints; Eli Manning, Giants
RB - Adrian Peterson, Vikings; Michael Turner, Falcons; Clinton Portis, Redskins
FB - Mike Sellers, Redskins
WR - Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, Cardinals; Steve Smith, Panthers; Roddy White, Falcons
TE - Jason Witten, Cowboys; Chris Cooley, Redskins
T - Jordan Gross, Panthers and Walter Jones, Seahawks; Chris Samuels, Redskins
G - Chris Snee, Giants and Steve Hutchinson, Vikings; Leonard Davis, Cowboys
C - Andre Gurode, Cowboys; Shaun O’Hara, Giants
DE - Justin Tuck, Giants and Julius Peppers, Panthers; Jared Allen, Vikings
DT - Kevin Williams, Vikings and Jay Ratliff, Cowboys; Pat Williams, Vikings
OLB - DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys and Lance Briggs, Bears; Derrick Brooks, Buccaneers
ILB - Patrick Willis, 49ers; Jon Beason, Panthers
CB - Charles Woodson, Packers and Antoine Winfield, Vikings; Asante Samuel, Eagles
S - Nick Collins, Packers and Adrian Wilson, Cardinals; Brian Dawkins, Eagles
K - John Carney, Giants
P - Jeff Feagles, Giants
KR - Clifton Smith, Buccaneers
ST - Sean Morey, Cardinals

Hazys

I'm glad the 2 most deserving Patriots got it Stephan Gostkowski and Wes Welker both were not in the top 5 selection of the fan vote, which was ridiculous.

What i dont like is the amount of Jets on the roster. They are a poor team and dont deserve 7 players going to the Pro Bowl, the only players i agree with sre Jenkins & Washington.

Im disappointed that Mayo didnt make it but he did have tough competition, so he was an outside bet. I feel Cassel is more deserving than Favre and Cutler.

On a side note: look how talented the NFC RBs are in comparison to the AFC RBs

eagle eye

Brett Favre should not be there. Ben Roethlisberger not getting a place is ridiculous.
And DeAngelo Williams is not there either.

kryogen

Eli Manning in it is a puzzler, Mayo i would have loved to see there but he did have difficult competition, i think Favre was always going to be selected with the year the Jets have had but 7 players is ridiculous, delighted to see Welker get recognition...such an important player for us

SantryRed

Eli Manning:eek:

LuckyLloyd

Hazys wrote: »

I'm glad the 2 most deserving Patriots got it Stephan Gostkowski and Wes Welker both were not in the top 5 selection of the fan vote, which was ridiculous.

What i dont like is the amount of Jets on the roster. They are a poor team and dont deserve 7 players going to the Pro Bowl, the only players i agree with sre Jenkins & Washington.

Im disappointed that Mayo didnt make it but he did have tough competition, so he was an outside bet. I feel Cassel is more deserving than Favre and Cutler.

On a side note: look how talented the NFC RBs are in comparison to the AFC RBs

9 - 5 = above average at the very least. So, shut your noise imo.

LuckyLloyd

Hazys wrote: »

AFC

QB - Peyton Manning, Colts; Brett Favre, Jets; Jay Cutler, Broncos
RB - Thomas Jones, Jets; Chris Johnson, Titans; Ronnie Brown, Dolphins
FB - Le’Ron McClain, Ravens
WR - Andre Johnson, Texans and Brandon Marshall, Broncos; Reggie Wayne, Colts; Wes Welker, Patriots
TE - Tony Gonzalez, Chiefs; Antonio Gates, Chargers
T - Joe Thomas, Browns and Jason Peters, Bills; Michael Roos, Titans
G - Alan Faneca, Jets and Kris Dielman, Chargers; Brian Waters, Chiefs
C - Kevin Mawae, Titans; Nick Mangold, Jets
DE - Mario Williams, Texans and Dwight Freeney, Colts; Robert Mathis, Colts
DT - Albert Haynesworth, Titans and Kris Jenkins, Jets; Shaun Rogers, Browns
OLB - James Harrison, Steelers and Joey Porter, Dolphins; Terrell Suggs, Ravens
MLB - Ray Lewis, Ravens; James Farrior, Steelers
CB - Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders and Courtland Finnegan, Titans; Darrelle Revis, Jets
S - Ed Reed, Ravens and Troy Polamalu, Steelers; Chris Hope, Titans
K - Stephan Gostkowski, Patriots
P - Shane Lechler, Raiders
KR - Leon Washington, Jets
ST - Brendon Ayanbadejo, Ravens

NFC

QB -Kurt Warner, Cardinals; Drew Brees, Saints; Eli Manning, Giants
RB - Adrian Peterson, Vikings; Michael Turner, Falcons; Clinton Portis, Redskins
FB - Mike Sellers, Redskins
WR - Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, Cardinals; Steve Smith, Panthers; Roddy White, Falcons
TE - Jason Witten, Cowboys; Chris Cooley, Redskins
T - Jordan Gross, Panthers and Walter Jones, Seahawks; Chris Samuels, Redskins
G - Chris Snee, Giants and Steve Hutchinson, Vikings; Leonard Davis, Cowboys
C - Andre Gurode, Cowboys; Shaun O’Hara, Giants
DE - Justin Tuck, Giants and Julius Peppers, Panthers; Jared Allen, Vikings
DT - Kevin Williams, Vikings and Jay Ratliff, Cowboys; Pat Williams, Vikings
OLB - DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys and Lance Briggs, Bears; Derrick Brooks, Buccaneers
ILB - Patrick Willis, 49ers; Jon Beason, Panthers
CB - Charles Woodson, Packers and Antoine Winfield, Vikings; Asante Samuel, Eagles
S - Nick Collins, Packers and Adrian Wilson, Cardinals; Brian Dawkins, Eagles
K - John Carney, Giants
P - Jeff Feagles, Giants
KR - Clifton Smith, Buccaneers
ST - Sean Morey, Cardinals

Circled the most ridiculous selections. Imo obv - though I think everyone will agree that Favre is a wtf pick.

kev_s88

i personally believe Dallas Clark should be in instead of Antonio Gates

Dodge

kev_s88 wrote: »

i personally believe Dallas Clark should be in instead of Antonio Gates

I'd have him in my team but his numbers seem down this year (haven't bothered to check)

I'd have favre ahead of Rothlisberger anyway, but then I'd probably have Rivers or Kerry Collins in ahead of Favre. I'd definitely have Pennington in ahead of any in the AFC

Not too many ovbious mistakes so. Hopefully the dramqueen stuff from the fan vote won't popup again

Chucky the tree

Farve in there is a joke, I'd stay his fan vote numbers were a big help. Rivers should be in ahead of him.

Xavi6

No Rivers? No D'Angelo Williams? Ridiculous. I'd have like Matt Forte in there just because I think he's quality.

jdivision

Hazys wrote: »

AFC

QB - Brett Favre, Jets;
RB - Thomas Jones, Jets
TE Antonio Gates, Chargers
T - Joe Thomas, Browns and Jason Peters, Bills;
G - Kris Dielman, Chargers;

DE - Robert Mathis, Colts
DT -Shaun Rogers, Browns
CB - ; Darrelle Revis, Jets


NFC


TE - Chris Cooley, Redskins
T - Walter Jones, Seahawks
G - Leonard Davis, Cowboys
C - Andre Gurode, Cowboys;

DT - Ratliff, Cowboys;
S - Nick Collins, Packers

I would call the above nonsense picks

Lirange

I think Ryan was more deserving than E. Manning.

Chucky the tree

Can you guys tell me why the Thoms Jones pick is such nonsense? He leads the AFC is rushing yards, has 13 TD's, that's 5 TD's more then the top 6 leading rushers, and 2nd only to Lendale white who has 14. He average 4.6 a carry, only .3 behind Chris Johnson and .4 ahead of Brown.


Jones is criminally under-rated imo, he's a top rusher in the nfl. He's an easy pick for the pro-bowl.

ReacherCreature

IMO - As the person said above, Ryan is more deserving than Eli.
Delighted that Welker, Witten and Cooley got in.

Would have liked to see Brees get the top spot but Warner has the winning record.

Terrific set of receivers for the NFC. The Nick Collins choice puzzled me.

Well done on John Karney's behalf, 44 years old and getting a Pro Bowl berth!

Leslie91

The Pro Bowl has long been a JOKE. The sooner it is done with the better. Nobody is interested in it no more, players are voted in on reputation/media love and not on actual outstanding performance.

I'm not even gonna bother pointing out the stupid pix, waste of time. Kill the Pro Bowl ASAP.

jdivision

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Can you guys tell me why the Thoms Jones pick is such nonsense? .

Because of the way they use him, they don't use him enough to win games, they use him to run down the clock when they're ahead. I like Jones and think he's underrated but although the stats don't show it I think Marshawn Lynch is having a better season (he's got a crap line this year with Jason Peters in particularly having a nightmare - am amazed he was voted to Pro Bowl) and Steve Slaton's been superb.

Chucky the tree

jdivision wrote: »

Because of the way they use him, they don't use him enough to win games, they use him to run down the clock when they're ahead. I like Jones and think he's underrated but although the stats don't show it I think Marshawn Lynch is having a better season (he's got a crap line this year with Jason Peters in particularly having a nightmare - am amazed he was voted to Pro Bowl) and Steve Slaton's been superb.

His carries are pretty much evenly split over the 2 halfs and 4TD's when his team have been behind. I think it's a bit harsh to say some who has 13 TD's isnt used enough to win games. You could argue for a place for Slaton and Lynch over Ronnie Brown I think. Too put him in the category of nonsense with Farve et all is a bit much.

Karlusss

It's also a moot point because the way a running back is used doesn't necessarily mean he's not a great running back. Put Adrian Peterson on the Cardinals, he's still Adrian Peterson, even though he's in a pass-first offense.

Ronnie Brown on the other hand does not deserve to be in the Pro Bowl on the back of that one Pats game. Maybe if the option was more effective for the whole season, or if he had excellent numbers in the conventional run game as well, but he doesn't.

titan18

jdivision wrote: »

I would call the above nonsense picks

Ok, Joe Thomas is definately not a nonsense pick.Mathis has been better than Freeney this season.

Who would you put in instead of Cooley?He's been the 2nd best TE in the NFC this year and outside of Witten, there is noone else.

Saying tah Nick Collins is a nonsense pick is stupid as he's been the best safety in the NFC by a mile.


The bad picks were Rivers not going over any of the AFC qbs

Ronnie Brown being picked over Slaton

Gates over Clark

Jason Peters over anyone

Abraham not going

Asante Samuel going confuses me as he's been average all season

Dawkins aswell was strange

kev_s88

tbh i think Maurice Jones-Drew should be in there at RB for the Jags.....so far this season he has 12 rushing TD, over 1100 all purpose yards and 14 TDs all together....hes been pretty much leading the Jags' offense on his own after the injuries to Fred Taylor and the fact that no-one is surprised by David Garrard's play this season.....

MOJO for Pro-Bowl lol

jdivision

titan18 wrote: »

Ok, Joe Thomas is definately not a nonsense pick.Mathis has been better than Freeney this season.

I'm a big fan of Thomas, but he shouldn't be going to the Pro Bowl this season, most of that is not his fault, injuries really hurt their o line and the QBs regressed. But as I've previously said Roos, Clady, both tackles from Texas and possibly Light have been more impressive (and I spend a lot of time watching tackles because I play RT)

titan18 wrote: »

Who would you put in instead of Cooley?He's been the 2nd best TE in the NFC this year and outside of Witten, there is noone else.

Anybody really, again I like Cooley but think he's been poor this year compared to previously. I would have rated him as one of the top three TEs in the league before the season started but don't see him having the same impact. Most of his receptions that I've seen are off checkdowns, when they've needed him to make a big play I've seen him come up short far too often this year.

titan18 wrote: »

Saying tah Nick Collins is a nonsense pick is stupid as he's been the best safety in the NFC by a mile.
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Adrian Wilson, Tanard Jackson, Hamlin and Rhodes are having better seasons imo. GB have been burned in the passing game too often.

titan18 wrote: »

Abraham not going

Agreed on that

titan18

jdivision wrote: »

I'm a big fan of Thomas, but he shouldn't be going to the Pro Bowl this season, most of that is not his fault, injuries really hurt their o line and the QBs regressed. But as I've previously said Roos, Clady, both tackles from Texas and possibly Light have been more impressive (and I spend a lot of time watching tackles because I play RT)


Anybody really, again I like Cooley but think he's been poor this year compared to previously. I would have rated him as one of the top three TEs in the league before the season started but don't see him having the same impact. Most of his receptions that I've seen are off checkdowns, when they've needed him to make a big play I've seen him come up short far too often this year.

Adrian Wilson, Tanard Jackson, Hamlin and Rhodes are having better seasons imo. GB have been burned in the passing game too often.




Agreed on that

Roos is going as a reserve.He should be there as first choice and then Thomas with Peters no where to be seen.Clady should be going ahead of Peters, I havent seen enough of the Texans to be able to call on them and I dont want to get started on Matt Light and I'm pretty sure some other people dont want it either.

On Cooley, he's been poor this season compared to last year, but on this season, he's still the 2nd best TE in the NFC.If you look around the teams, Carlson is the only other TE who is used a lot, and I dont think he's had a better year than Cooley.

On Collins, he's been very stong with Woodson for Green Bay, he plays a lot in run stopping as Green Bays front seven have been bad this year.He's got 5 interceptions.I think Atogwe for the Rams should be in there instead of him but that was never going to happen.

jdivision

titan18 wrote: »

.I think Atogwe for the Rams should be in there instead of him but that was never going to happen.

I only really noticed him after Dr Z picked him out last season. Looks like a good player.

eagle eye

Wtf is all this Rivers talk about, he is on a team having a losing season, the man that should be there is Ben Roethlisberger. Forget stats for a minute, do you see what he has done week in week out over the season? He has been incredible and he played with a bad shoulder for a couple of weeks.

Basically there are three QB's in the AFC that are miles ahead of anyone else over the last few years(Favre only came this year and he has not played well) and they are Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger. Brady has been injured since the start of the season and the other two have been miles ahead of the rest as normal.

Dodge

eagle eye wrote: »

Wtf is all this Rivers talk about, he is on a team having a losing season, the man that should be there is Ben Roethlisberger. Forget stats for a minute, do you see what he has done week in week out over the season? He has been incredible and he played with a bad shoulder for a couple of weeks.

Basically there are three QB's in the AFC that are miles ahead of anyone else over the last few years(Favre only came this year and he has not played well) and they are Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger. Brady has been injured since the start of the season and the other two have been miles ahead of the rest as normal.

So you're saying the probowl should be based on winning records and history, and not this years form?

Rivers isn't the reason san Diego have a poor record, just like Ben isn't the reasonn the Steelers have sucha good record (not solely anyway).

IMO no quarterback in the AFc has played better than Chad Pennington this year

SantryRed

How isn't Rivers there?

Best passer rating in the NFL.

eagle eye

Dodge wrote: »

So you're saying the probowl should be based on winning records and history, and not this years form?

Rivers isn't the reason san Diego have a poor record, just like Ben isn't the reasonn the Steelers have sucha good record (not solely anyway).

IMO no quarterback in the AFc has played better than Chad Pennington this year

I'm not slating Rivers but going on numbers alone to select a QB is just not good enough imo.

As for Chad Pennington, he is a decent QB but he was part of a wildcat formation for much of the season so I would not consider him.

I'm a Patriot fan and you don't hear me shouting for Cassel's inclusion even though he was the outstanding QB stats wise over the last six or seven weeks of the season.

Ben Roethlisberger is part of a team and a great defense has undoubtedly been huge for them as well as both Parker(when fit) and Mewelde Moore as well. But Ben is a leader and he gets wins when it looks unlikely. He played for much of the season with a shoulder injury and still got it done. Just look at last weeks game against the Ravens. It showed the class of the man the way he stayed alive and got it done when it looked like it was over. You can't measure that in stats, if you could both he and Peyton Manning would be miles ahead of the rest as far as QB ratings are concerned. Leadership and getting it done are huge characteristics.

SantryRed

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not slating Rivers but going on numbers alone to select a QB is just not good enough imo.

Do you expect Rivers to play in the SD Defence then?

eagle eye

SantryRed wrote: »

Do you expect Rivers to play in the SD Defence then?

I thought I explained it clearly enough in my last post. I believe that the best QB's are the guys who get it done week in week out and possess that exceptional quality of winning matches when it looks like it won't happen, theres two guys that qualify in that bracket this year and they are Manning and Rothlisberger. Brady does that as well.

While he has had big numbers in a lot of games this year, he still is not a winner under pressure in my book. Thats what I see as the difference between the elite like Manning, Brady, Big Ben and the rest of them.

ArmCandyBaby

eagle eye wrote: »

I thought I explained it clearly enough in my last post. I believe that the best QB's are the guys who get it done week in week out and possess that exceptional quality of winning matches when it looks like it won't happen, theres two guys that qualify in that bracket this year and they are Manning and Rothlisberger. Brady does that as well.

While he has had big numbers in a lot of games this year, he still is not a winner under pressure in my book. Thats what I see as the difference between the elite like Manning, Brady, Big Ben and the rest of them.

That's fair enough but I think the extra touchtown & 70 yards (between receiving & losses due to sacks) the Rivers offers on average per game over Roethlisberger means that the odd close game that Big Ben resurrects doesn't need saving!

There are a lot of bad decisions in the selection. This one annoys me the most though There's no way Favre should be there - I think a lot of lazy people just looked at the Jets last year compared to this year and assumed that it all must be down to him.

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not slating Rivers but going on numbers alone to select a QB is just not good enough imo.

As for Chad Pennington, he is a decent QB but he was part of a wildcat formation for much of the season so I would not consider him.

I'm a Patriot fan and you don't hear me shouting for Cassel's inclusion even though he was the outstanding QB stats wise over the last six or seven weeks of the season.
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The dolphins only run the wildcate about 4 times a game, too say they been doing it for much of the season is complete bull****. Probaly even you realise that including a QB who has only done well stats wise for 7 games is stupid.

eagle eye wrote: »

I thought I explained it clearly enough in my last post. I believe that the best QB's are the guys who get it done week in week out and possess that exceptional quality of winning matches when it looks like it won't happen, theres two guys that qualify in that bracket this year and they are Manning and Rothlisberger. Brady does that as well.

While he has had big numbers in a lot of games this year, he still is not a winner under pressure in my book. Thats what I see as the difference between the elite like Manning, Brady, Big Ben and the rest of them.

Does Rivers two TD's late in the game last week against the chiefs not count as winning a match when it looks like it wont happen? The difference is it's not possible for Rivers to do that every week because he cant do it all on his own. Look at the Steelers dallas game, if it wasnt for those ints they wouldnt of had those chances.

brennaldo

kev_s88 wrote: »

i personally believe Dallas Clark should be in instead of Antonio Gates

definatly, i cant believe clark isnt in there, i also cant believe bob sanders was left out (im a colts fan by the way)

Chucky the tree

Sanders has played 6 games, no way he deserves it.

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The dolphins only run the wildcate about 4 times a game, too say they been doing it for much of the season is complete bull****. Probaly even you realise that including a QB who has only done well stats wise for 7 games is stupid.

I think there are too many people on here who see stats as the be all and end all.
I don't personally think Favre should be there and he has not had a great season, but do you honestly believe that the Jets would be where they are right now if Chad Pennington was the QB again this year? I personally don't believe they would be, and I think that Favre brings that confidence to a team even though he is not doing it himself. His leadership has certainly helped this team. On Pennington, I don't believe he is good enough, he is not successful with the long ball and while he has a lot of good things going for him, I think he is just an average NFL QB, imo he will never be a great QB.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Does Rivers two TD's late in the game last week against the chiefs not count as winning a match when it looks like it wont happen? The difference is it's not possible for Rivers to do that every week because he cant do it all on his own. Look at the Steelers dallas game, if it wasnt for those ints they wouldnt of had those chances.

Thats one game, look at other games this year where he has let the team down. I suppose the receivers had something to do with that as well, but he has not got it done when it matters consistently, its easy to throw pass after pass when you are on top but in a lot of close games he has been poor when under pressure to perform.

Anyways each to his own but I do think that some of the posters here rely on stats due to a real lack of knowledge of how the game actually works. I'm not including you in that comment by the way Chucky.
Its like that game a couple of weeks ago where someone said that Cassel was sacked, and I said he wasn't. I was wrong as officially it was a sack, but talk to guys who know that game well and they would never consider that play a sack as it was his forward progress being stopped before the line of scrimmage. While its on the sheet as a sack, nobody I ever went to a game with would call that a sack, and believe me a lot of them were hugely knowledgable people.

SantryRed

eagle eye wrote: »

I thought I explained it clearly enough in my last post. I believe that the best QB's are the guys who get it done week in week out and possess that exceptional quality of winning matches when it looks like it won't happen, theres two guys that qualify in that bracket this year and they are Manning and Rothlisberger. Brady does that as well.

Well take last week against Kansas. He scores two Tds to get them ahead, about forty seconds left. And there D still gave up a field goal attempt!

The reason Roethlesberger wins games for the Steelers is because of their D, he's given the opportunity to. I'm disgusted Rivers isn't in there.

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

I think there are too many people on here who see stats as the be all and end all.
I don't personally think Favre should be there and he has not had a great season, but do you honestly believe that the Jets would be where they are right now if Chad Pennington was the QB again this year? I personally don't believe they would be, and I think that Favre brings that confidence to a team even though he is not doing it himself. His leadership has certainly helped this team. On Pennington, I don't believe he is good enough, he is not successful with the long ball and while he has a lot of good things going for him, I think he is just an average NFL QB, imo he will never be a great QB.

Do you not think Pennington has presence has helped imrpove the dolphins? Considering they were 1-15 last year I think it's pretty crazy to suggest he hasnt. Farve has been pretty awful this year I think, while his confience and leadership might of helped his team I'm pretty sure his 17 Ints havent.

eagle eye wrote: »

Thats one game, look at other games this year where he has let the team down. I suppose the receivers had something to do with that as well, but he has not got it done when it matters consistently, its easy to throw pass after pass when you are on top but in a lot of close games he has been poor when under pressure to perform.

What games has he let his team down? I doubt it's anymore then Rothlesberger. A run down of some of the games they have lost:

- Lose to the panthers with a TD in the last play of the game, throws over 217yards and 3TD's 0ints. They were down 19-5 with 6minutes to go and he throws for two TD's late in the game.
- Robbed by an awful ref's call against the broncos, 300+yards 3TD's, 1 int
- lost to the colts by 3 too a FG as time expires, another late manning drive, 288yards 2TDs 0ints.

I'd hardly call that playing poorly or not performing under-pressure.

Against the saints he has another 300+yard game, 3TD 1int. Steelers defence is first in yards given up per game, chargers are 25th. Give the chargers the Steelers D and see the chargers cruise into the play-offs. Stats still are pretty important I think.

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Do you not think Pennington has presence has helped imrpove the dolphins? Considering they were 1-15 last year I think it's pretty crazy to suggest he hasnt. Farve has been pretty awful this year I think, while his confience and leadership might of helped his team I'm pretty sure his 17 Ints havent.

I think any average QB would have improved the Dolphins and I think their coach and the tuna have a lot more to do with the improvement than the addition of Pennington.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

What games has he let his team down? I doubt it's anymore then Rothlesberger. A run down of some of the games they have lost:

- Lose to the panthers with a TD in the last play of the game, throws over 217yards and 3TD's 0ints. They were down 19-5 with 6minutes to go and he throws for two TD's late in the game.
- Robbed by an awful ref's call against the broncos, 300+yards 3TD's, 1 int
- lost to the colts by 3 too a FG as time expires, another late manning drive, 288yards 2TDs 0ints.

I'd hardly call that playing poorly or not performing under-pressure.

Against the saints he has another 300+yard game, 3TD 1int. Steelers defence is first in yards given up per game, chargers are 25th. Give the chargers the Steelers D and see the chargers cruise into the play-offs. Stats still are pretty important I think.

He was poor against the Panthers from what I remember and he was terrible against the Dolphins and he made a mess of it against the Bills. He also had a poor game against the Falcons. These were all games that the Chargers could have won.

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

I think any average QB would have improved the Dolphins and I think their coach and the tuna have a lot more to do with the improvement than the addition of Pennington.


He was poor against the Panthers from what I remember and he was terrible against the Dolphins and he made a mess of it against the Bills. He also had a poor game against the Falcons. These were all games that the Chargers could have won.

I think the Jets improvement has alot more to do with a solid running game and a much better D then Farve throwing Ints left right and centre.

Poor against the Panther? 3TD's and 0 ints isnt too bad. Against Buffalo he throw an Int late in the game when they were chasing it, after he throw for 2TD's already. I caant remeber the Falcons game.

Look at rothlesbergers poor games. Against the eagles he fumbled it twice, gave up a safety and threw and int and got sacked 8 times. Throws 4 ints vs the Giants, against the redskings he goes 5/17 for 50yards with 1 int, gets injuried and Leftwich comes in and gets 1 TD and throws for 129yards in 10 attempts.

Basically stick anyone in at QB and they'd still be where they are now. He's like Kerry Collins for the Titans.

SantryRed

Well now there's no question Rivers should be in it!

There going to the play offs. They'll easily take care of Denver next week.

eagle eye

SantryRed wrote: »

Well now there's no question Rivers should be in it!

There going to the play offs. They'll easily take care of Denver next week.

Lets see how he performs next week now that the pressure is back on him and against an porous defence. I wouldn't be at all surrpised to see the Broncos win next week.

jdivision

eagle eye wrote: »

Lets see how he performs next week now that the pressure is back on him and against an porous defence. I wouldn't be at all surrpised to see the Broncos win next week.

You have a point but remember they'd be the game ahead except for the ref in the last game between the two making a massive blunder. Am a big fan of certain Broncos including Cutler,Marshall, Bly, Clady amongst others but their defence is so bad and beaten up I'd prefer to see the Chargers in the playoffs

Karlusss

I hate the Chargers. And their "oh we'll be there" attitude the whole first half of the year. Waiting for the Broncos to screw up so you can take one of the worst divisions in football with basically just a great quarterback making plays... I hope they get torn a new arse in the playoffs.

ReacherCreature

Not the biggest fan of the Chargers but after their run they're into the playoffs, have the Colts next Saturday, can't see them get past Indianapolis!

Chanandler Bong

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Not the biggest fan of the Chargers but after their run they're into the playoffs, have the Colts next Saturday, can't see them get past Indianapolis!

Could you see them getting past Indy last year????
Didnt think so

ReacherCreature

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

Could you see them getting past Indy last year????
Didnt think so

Oh oh, do share your secret of how you can see into the future please?? Back then I guessed, just like I'm guessing or predicting now.

I'm merely predicting what I think might happen.

Atm they're two completely different teams from last year.

San Diego's pass defense is awful and with Manning garnering MVP votes and calls; I think he'll have a field day out there. Rivers has been fantastic too but I'm going with the Colts. You can read into it however way you like and analyse each position and the stats but that's what I'm going for, just a quick scan of the matchup between the teams.

Sure a suprise/upset might come about but is it a suprise or upset of we know about it? Like your comment is implying? :rolleyes:

IMO