Words fail me...

kraggy

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Baby-Jack-Parents-Stacey-Taylor-And-Mark-Harrison-Jailed-Over-Sons-Death/Article/200812315180944?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15180944_Baby_Jack%3A_Parents_Stacey_Taylor_And_Mark_Harrison_Jailed_Over_Sons_Death

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How sick evil are these people? They should have gotten a lot longer.

Scum.

Danbo!

kraggy wrote: »

Sorry, don't know how to hyperlink.

Mike McCarthy, North of England correspondent
The parents of a baby who had broken arms, legs and ribs have been sentenced to prison.

Stacey Taylor, 20, and Mark Harrison, 27, were given a total of six years in prison for child cruelty after a three-week trial.

The baby, Jack, was six months old when he died of pneumonia at a hospital in Greater Manchester.

Sheffield Crown Court heard his parents did not call a doctor even though the baby was seriously ill.

He was drastically underweight and had a number of bruises on his head and face which were allegedly caused by prodding.

"How someone can deliberately harm a defenceless baby in any way is beyond me," said DC Kath McKenzie, from the public protection investigation unit in Tameside.

Mark Harrison and Stacey Taylor

Mark Harrison and Stacy Taylor

"But what makes it worse is that his parents put themselves first before obtaining medical attention for their injured and sick little boy.

"Jack would have clearly been very ill in the lead up to his death but Taylor and Harrison did not take him to hospital or to a doctor, presumably because they were aware that the child's injuries would be discovered.

"Throughout this investigation they have been unable to explain how he got his serious injuries, insisting they were either accidental or they did not realise he was injured."

How someone can deliberately harm a defenceless baby in any way escapes me.

DC Kath McKenzie

A spokesman for the regional protection board said: "This child was not the subject of a child protection plan and the death was not regarded as suspicious until old fractures were found as part of the post mortem.

"Neither parent could explain the series of injuries...

"The serious case review highlights the importance of recognising signs of neglect and in dealing with parents who miss appointments with professionals and are resistant to accept help.

"It is always tragic when a baby dies and all agencies are working together to take the necessary steps to implement the recommendations of the draft serious case review which have all been accepted."

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boring_job_guy

that's like 3 years each is it?

i'm usually the last to say a jail sentence should be longer, but that's way too short. As far as crime is concerned this is almost as bad as it gets, but yet worse sentences are handed out almost every day.

monkey9

I actually feel sick reading that

Turd Ferguson

I agree that 3 years is way too short...although they are printing names and pictures of those two muppets so I'm sure they'll get a fuckin well deserved bashing in prison.

Quazzie

ts:dr*

*Too sick didn't read

Turd Ferguson

Q2002 wrote: »

ts:dr*

*Too sick didn't read

Why abbreviate something if you're gonna just explain it anyway?

OYASASB*


*Oh You Are Such A Silly Billy

boring_job_guy

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

I agree that 3 years is way too short...although they are printing names and pictures of those two muppets so I'm sure they'll get a fuckin well deserved bashing in prison.

no joke :eek::eek::eek:!

have we been bold?

Biggins

Unbelievable. The man that threw shoes at Bush would get more years.
Depressing!

Dudess

Why these threads...?

Seriously, what's the point in depressing everyone... apart from getting some kind of kick out of discussing it. I'm serious. I do firmly believe people enjoy discussing this type of stuff. So the thread is started and people will keep posting how upset they are in as OTT language as possible, and/or how they'd torture the perpetrators to death.

The point being...?

It kinda cheapens these horrible situations. Even though this story is ghastly, I'm actually less shocked than I was by previous stories. And I don't want to be less shocked.

Terry

People like to talk.

kraggy

Dudess wrote: »

Why these threads...?

Seriously, what's the point in depressing everyone... apart from getting some kind of kick out of discussing it. I'm serious. I do firmly believe people enjoy discussing this type of stuff. So the thread is started and people will keep posting how upset they are in as OTT language as possible, and/or how they'd torture the perpetrators to death.

The point being...?

It kinda cheapens these horrible situations. Even though this story is ghastly, I'm actually less shocked than I was by previous stories. And I don't want to be less shocked.

Jesus, who rattled your cage?

It's something to discuss like anything else. And very topical given the Baby P issue some weeks ago.

Don't read on if you don't like it.

stovelid

I don't know what the recommended sentences are, but as they didn't actually directly kill the baby, I guess they probably got as much as could be given for assault and neglect.

Sharpshooter

The poor little baby went through Hell on earth, didn't he.It makes me despair for humanity , and these cases are coming to the surface more and more .
We always hear " More must be done to help these children " , and then another story of abuse hits the papers.
I don't know where we go from here.

villager

definitely a case for bringing back hanging

kraggy

stovelid wrote: »

I don't know what the recommended sentences are, but as they didn't actually directly kill the baby, I guess they probably got as much as could be given for assault and neglect.

There are much longer sentences handed out for similar offences. One example here

http://itn.co.uk/news/d5229b0c3045a942e95aedf8975e0801.html

It's really disgusting. You'd wonder what reasoning the judge had when deciding the sentence.

kraggy

villager wrote: »

definitely a case for bringing back hanging

There's no case whatsoever for bringing back the death sentence.

If one innocent is wrongly executed, which would be almost inevitable, then it's just not right.

stovelid

kraggy wrote: »

There are much longer sentences handed out for similar offences. One example here

http://itn.co.uk/news/d5229b0c3045a942e95aedf8975e0801.html

It's really disgusting. You'd wonder what reasoning the judge had when deciding the sentence.

Similar offense, but different gradation. I would hazard a guess that leaving a child to die is probably a lot harder to get away with than not reporting an illness.

Not excusing the judge or the parents, of course. I take leave of my senses when it comes to cases like this, which is why I'm glad I don't have to legislate for them.

The_Minister

villager wrote: »

definitely a case for bringing back hanging

AFAIK even when we had hanging, they wouldn't have been hanged.

Dudess

kraggy wrote: »

It's something to discuss like anything else. And very topical given the Baby P issue some weeks ago.

I know, but there's already been several such discussions. And it's been demonstrated how After Hours is not the place for an appropriate commentary on these poor little things' stories. All you'll get is "they should have x done to them" etc. That's just my view.

Hellm0

[rabble rabble rabble]

Exclamation of shock, endorsement for harsher sentences for criminals, comments regarding how sick I feel. Pointless description of what the perpetrators deserve torture wise followed by angry generalizations about human depravity.

[/rabble rabble rabble]

inpornitrust

villager wrote: »

definitely a case for bringing back hanging

yes your right its cases like this that make the the death sentence look like the easy way out for these guy there is a death pently pole doing on on a different thread and most people thing its not a good idea maybe after this case they might change ther minds and help build the gallows....

Dudess

Ah... moral guidance from someone with the username "inpornitrust".

inpornitrust

kraggy wrote: »

There's no case whatsoever for bringing back the death sentence.

If one innocent is wrongly executed, which would be almost inevitable, then it's just not right.

ya your right becaues rapiest murders and people who let there six month old child die never hurt the innocent do they ??????
its a human system so some mistakes will be made but how many innocent people in prizon do you know?

Dudess

I know none. In fact I know nobody in prison full stop. Not a great question really. However, I know OF quite a significant number of innocent people in prison. Here's one example of a support organisation for them: http://www.mojoscotland.com/

inpornitrust

Dudess wrote: »

Ah... moral guidance from someone with the username "inpornitrust".

ow that stung and its not "porn" its "performace art"
and a user name dosent make me wrong does it??????

SV

The_Minister wrote: »

AFAIK even when we had hanging, they wouldn't have been hanged.

Nah, they would have been hung.

inpornitrust

i dont know any one in prison either but im sure the police framed 95% of them.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
and dont get me wrong im not trying to have people tried on the gallows let the prosess run get them every chance to prove there innocent i dont want innocent people killed but if your 99% sure they killed some one then its time for justice not a life sentce with 25% off for being good

dlofnep

Didn't this happen to some other poor child a few weeks back? I dunno what is wrong with this world at all..

Dudess

inpornitrust wrote: »

i dont know any one in prison either but im sure the police framed 95% of them.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well nobody's implying that either... it's just there have been many miscarriages of justice, that's all. It's simply a fact.

seanybiker

all going well other prisoners will get to them before they get released.

ejmaztec

seanybiker wrote: »

all going well other prisoners will get to them before they get released.

Not if Chucky gets 'em first. :eek:

inpornitrust

Dudess wrote: »

Well nobody's implying that either... it's just there have been many miscarriages of justice, that's all. It's simply a fact.

and crimnals reoffend thats a fact too so if a crime is serious enough why give them a chance

Dudess

Lock 'em up for good. I do think there needs to be longer sentences... but not the death penalty.

kraggy

villager wrote: »

definitely a case for bringing back hanging

inpornitrust wrote: »

yes your right its cases like this that make the the death sentence look like the easy way out for these guy there is a death pently pole doing on on a different thread and most people thing its not a good idea maybe after this case they might change ther minds and help build the gallows....

inpornitrust wrote: »

ya your right becaues rapiest murders and people who let there six month old child die never hurt the innocent do they ??????
its a human system so some mistakes will be made but how many innocent people in prizon do you know?

inpornitrust wrote: »

i dont know any one in prison either but im sure the police framed 95% of them.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
and dont get me wrong im not trying to have people tried on the gallows let the prosess run get them every chance to prove there innocent i dont want innocent people killed but if your 99% sure they killed some one then its time for justice not a life sentce with 25% off for being good

1 jurisdiction
2 cases
17 innocent people who would have been executed if you had your way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Six
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maguire_Seven

inpornitrust

your right kraggy .......... but you never got the figures for all the rapests snd killers and child abusers that got relesed and commited there crimes or got very soft sentences i read in the paper in the last two weeks that one guy was relesed after just one day of his sentence (i think not too sure but i think it was a 3 month sentence) also how far back did you go to find a PROVEN case

The_Minister

ClioV6 wrote: »

Nah, they would have been hung.

Actually, AFAIK, people are hanged but dead meat is hung.

So he was hanged and then he was hung:D


Yes, I stole that

SV

The_Minister wrote: »

Actually, AFAIK, people are hanged but dead meat is hung.

So he was hanged and then he was hung:D


Yes, I stole that

haha..not bad.

kraggy

inpornitrust wrote: »

your right kraggy .......... but you never got the figures for all the rapests snd killers and child abusers that got relesed and commited there crimes or got very soft sentences i read in the paper in the last two weeks that one guy was relesed after just one day of his sentence (i think not too sure but i think it was a 3 month sentence) also how far back did you go to find a PROVEN case

46 this decade alone. And that's just in one country - the United States.

Read this for more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revoked_death_sentences#2000-2008

I totally agree that many sentences are too lenient, in this country and others. However the death penalty is fundamentally flawed and morally wrong.

You CANNOT justify the killing of innocents by celebrating all the guilty that the system got to kill. One innocent being murdered when they did NOTHING to deserve it, is simply not worth the revenge killings of multiple others. I don't care how many baddies you'd get. It's not right.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Dudess wrote: »

Lock 'em up for good. I do think there needs to be longer sentences... but not the death penalty.

Most nights I watch the discovery channel, great programs on that. The amount of people who do be on death row, then get that appealed, get a life sentence, get that appealed and in the end only spend 15+ years in jail, not enough for the scum. The system favours the scum more than anyone else...

Overheal

Oakley Victorious Congress wrote: »

Most nights I watch the discovery channel, great programs on that. The amount of people who do be on death row, then get that appealed, get a life sentence, get that appealed and in the end only spend 15+ years in jail, not enough for the scum. The system favours the scum more than anyone else...

its not that they shouldnt be jailed longer but the system doesnt have the infrastructure to hold them for that long. Anyway its really one of humanities grey areas isnt it; mercy vs. imprisonment and death.

DonkeyStyle \o/

sterilization + breeding licenses ftw

[/rabble]

Wagon

Couldn't give a **** anymore. Sick of reading these stories, I clicked on this thread ready for something amazing And it's another story from Sky News to satisfy the politically corrent mobs.

inpornitrust

You CANNOT justify the killing of innocents by celebrating all the guilty that the system got to kill. One innocent being murdered when they did NOTHING to deserve it, is simply not worth the revenge killings of multiple others. I don't care how many baddies you'd get. It's not right.[/quote]

i did say to let the prosess run its course to give them every chance to prove there innocent.

i dont want to kill innocent people either

the ruby player in limerick was innocent
the woman in dublin was innocent
baby p was innocent
this list could go on and on and on.....................
also if the court says your innocent then you are i respect that however i just want to know does any one know the difference between haveing a really good lawyer and really been innocent

oj got away with prison the first time

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

inpornitrust wrote: »

You CANNOT justify the killing of innocents by celebrating all the guilty that the system got to kill. One innocent being murdered when they did NOTHING to deserve it, is simply not worth the revenge killings of multiple others. I don't care how many baddies you'd get. It's not right.

Did someone actually try to justify the killing of innocents?

kraggy

i did say to let the prosess run its course to give them every chance to prove there innocent.

i dont want to kill innocent people either

the ruby player in limerick was innocent
the woman in dublin was innocent
baby p was innocent
this list could go on and on and on.....................
also if the court says your innocent then you are i respect that however i just want to know does any one know the difference between haveing a really good lawyer and really been innocent

oj got away with prison the first time

You're totally missing the point.

You say that you'd let the process run it's course to give them every chance to prove their innocence but that's already in place. People are tried and found guilty of crimes they didn't commit TO THIS DAY!

And you ask if anyone knows the difference between having a really good lawyer and being really innocent...I really don't see your point here. Yes, people get off scot free when they actually did do the crime. But we're not talking about that here. We're talking about the reverse; the fact that innocent people get convicted of murder when they didn't actually do it and so on those grounds, the death penalty is wrong. Pure and simple.

@Ikky Poo
inpornitrust tried to quote me but the tags weren't around the quote and so that appears to be his/her quote but is actually mine.

To answer your question, yes, in a way, inpornitrust is trying to justify the inevitable killing of innocents i.e. by saying that the death penalty should be introduced despite the fact that innocent people will be wrongly convicted and sentenced to death.