AFC pro-bowl fan voting results!

Chucky the tree

QUARTERBACK (3): 1) Brett Favre; 2) Manning; 3) Jay Cutler; 4) Ben Roethlisberger; 5) Kerry Collins.

RUNNING BACK (3): 1) Johnson; 2) Ronnie Brown; 3) LaDainian Tomlinson; 4) Thomas Jones; 5) Marshawn Lynch.

WIDE RECEIVER (4): 1) Brandon Marshall; 2) Randy Moss; 3) Andre Johnson; 4) Reggie Wayne; 5) Hines Ward.

FULLBACK (1): 1) LeRon McClain; 2) Ahmard Hall; 3) Tony Richardson; 4) Carey Davis; 5) Heath Evans.

TIGHT END (2): 1) Tony Gonzalez; 2), Antonio Gates; 3) Dallas Clark; 4) Heath Miller; 5) Kellen Winslow.

CENTER (2): 1) Kevin Mawae; 2) Jeff Saturday; 3) Nick Mangold; 4) Justin Hartwig; 5) Nick Hardwick.

GUARD (3): 1) Alan Faneca; 2) Eugene Amano; 3) Jake Scott; 4) Chris Kemoeatu; 5) Logan Mankins.

TACKLE (3): 1) Jake Long; 2) D'Brickashaw Ferguson; 3) Matt Light; 4) Michael Roos; 5) Joe Thomas.

DEFENSIVE END (3): 1) Mario Williams; 2) Dwight Freeney; 3) Kyle Vanden Bosch; 4) Jevon Kearse; 5) Aaron Smith.

DEFENSIVE TACKLE (3): 1) Albert Haynesworth; 2) Casey Hampton; 3) Kris Jenkins; 4) Shaun Rogers; 5) Richard Seymour.

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER (3): 1) Joey Porter; 2) James Harrison; 3) Keith Bulluck; 4) LaMarr Woodley; 5) Terrell Suggs.

INSIDE LINEBACKER (2): 1) Ray Lewis; 2) James Farrior; 3) Larry Foote; 4) Tedy Bruschi; 5) Jerod Mayo.

CORNERBACK (3): 1) Champ Bailey; 2) Cortland Finnegan; 3) Nnamdi Asomugha; 4) Antonio Cromartie; 5) Ike Taylor.

STRONG SAFETY (3 combined): 1) Troy Polamalu; 2) Bob Sanders; 3) Chris Hope; 4) Yeremiah Bell; 5) Brandon Meriweather.

FREE SAFETY (3 combined): 1) Ed Reed; 2) Michael Griffin; 3) Ryan Clark; 4) Kerry Rhodes; 5) Antoine Bethea.

KICKER (1): 1) Dan Carpenter; 2) Rob Bironas; 3) Adam Vinatieri; 4) Josh Reed; 5) Sebastian Janikowski.

PUNTER (1): 1) Shane Lechler; 2) Craig Hentrich; 3) Mitch Berger; 4) Mike Scifres; 5) Brian Moorman.

KICK RETURNER (1): 1) Darren Sproles; 2) Leon Washington; 3) Joshua Cribbs; 4) Mewelde Moore; 5) Maurice Jones-Drew.

SPECIAL TEAMER (1): 1) Brendon Ayanbadejo; 2) Anthony Madison; 3) Patrick Cobbs; 4) Larry Izzo; 5) Kassim Osgood.

:pac::pac::pac::pac: wtf @ Farve being number 1.

Some other shocking selections in there. Moss, Bailey, Light ahead of roos, ugh it really doesnt say alot for the intelligence of people who vote on this thing. They should scrap the fan voting, it makes a mockery of it.

kryogen

some of those selections, i.e. Manning, Moss, Lt etc are kinda...........how do i put this........questionable

Chucky the tree

Manning should be MVP I think.

Royal Seahawk

Yeah,i don't know why your calling Manning's selection questionable, he had a slow start to the season due to injury and now he's dragging the Colts into the playoffs mostly on his own.

davyjose

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Yeah,i don't know why your calling Manning's selection questionable, he had a slow start to the season due to injury and now he's dragging the Colts into the playoffs mostly on his own.

Agreed about Manning (although, our Defensive Ends have been very impressive lately). The NFC is where most of the best performing QB's are. Besides, if you are going on stats alone, then Philip Rivers (with a 5-8 record) should be first. Any takers?

As a Colts fan I'd be more astonished with the inclusion of Sanders. When he plays, he's awesome, but he gets injured way way way too much.

Hazys

How Wes Welker isent in the top 5 of WR explains the stupidity of the pro bowl selection process

Also Stephen Gostkowski not top 5 K is a joke

kryogen

apologies, for whatever reason when i read it first i thought Eli manning!

welker should be there for sure, Rivers should be there technically, so should Brees i guess, arguements to be made for and against both

i just hate the pro bowl selection thing in general i guess...find it to be heavily biased towards the big teams

Dodge

Hazys wrote: »

How Wes Welker isent in the top 5 of WR explains the stupidity of the pro bowl selection process

This isn't the selection. Its a fan vote. Its part of the selection but it isn't the over riding factor

Every single internet poll provokes someone to come out calling it a mockery or a sham. Stop taking them so seriously

jdivision

Well in the NFC the Redskins will have a huge number of players from fan balloting but won't make the Pro Bowl because of the way the NFL works it. Much better imo, the NBA's is a joke because it's a fan vote. Most of the list chosen is nonsense, just people voting for their own team's players. LT, Antonio Gates, Jeff Saturday, Jake Scott, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Champ Bailey (out injured too much), Bob Sanders (missed too many games too) and Darren Sproles are seriously objectionable Pro Bowl selections by the fans (those are the ones who would have made it based on the fan vote). No way I'd have Wayne ahead of Ward and no way I'd have Big Ben at No 4, has lost his team too many games. And Favre at No 1 for QB is funny really. Wouldn't have had Light or jake long either at T (although Ferguson is worse than both), instead I'd have chosen Roos, Ryan Clady and either Winston or Brown from the Texans.

LuckyLloyd

As a Jets fan I can confirm the absurd lol nature of the Favre and Faneca picks. Both have regressed significantly this year. Favre is not even in the top ten quarterbacks in the AFC according to the footballoutsiders metrics.

And Moss? Really?

tallaghtoutlaws

To sum up the Pro Bowl:

JOKE!

Voted on by idiots and kids who know fook all about whats going on in the current season and who vote players they only know by name and their own teams.

de5p0i1er

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

To sum up the Pro Bowl:

JOKE!

Voted on by idiots and kids who know fook all about whats going on in the current season and who vote players they only know by name and their own teams.

Well said I don't even watch it anymore, its a free holiday for a few players thats all.

eagle eye

I don't understand how you guys have a problem with Moss being selected. I do think that the biggest joke is the selection of LT as he has had a terrible year.

On the QB selections, I think the right guys were selected but in the wrong order. For me Cutler has been outstanding all season and Manning has been top notch as well. Favre was always going to get a high number of votes due to the fact that the Jets are having their best season for a long time.

As mentioned by someone else, those voting are not the brightest people and its never going to be a true fans dream to see the results.

Karlusss

It's about name recognition. If the game-callers say "Pro Bowl cornerback Champ Bailey" every game Champ Bailey gets on TV, then people faced with a big list of corners are going to go "oh yeah! He's good I think!".

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't understand how you guys have a problem with Moss being selected.

He's 12 in recieving yards in the AFC, 22nd or something overall with 841 yards.

Hazys

eagle eye wrote: »

I do think that the biggest joke is the selection of LT as he has had a terrible year.

I didnt even noticed that till you said it. LT etc

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't understand how you guys have a problem with Moss being selected. I do think that the biggest joke is the selection of LT as he has had a terrible year.

So Moss, who is underperforming, is valid, but LT, who is underperforming, isn't? And, let me get this straight, you expect both Pats Receivers to be included, despite the fact that they're having a very average season? I really don't get it.

Hazys

davyjose wrote: »

So Moss, who is underperforming, is valid, but LT, who is underperforming, isn't? And, let me get this straight, you expect both Pats Receivers to be included, despite the fact that they're having a very average season? I really don't get it.

Welker defly deserves the recognition.

Moss has played well this season not as good as least season obviously, maybe not top 5 but you cant compare Moss' season to LTs.

LT has had a rubbish season

Chucky the tree

Hazys wrote: »

Welker defly deserves the recognition.

Moss has played well this season not as good as least season obviously, maybe not top 5 but you cant compare Moss' season to LTs.

LT has had a rubbish season

LT is 6th in rushing yards in the AFc, 12 overall.

SantryRed

LT's had a decent season in all fairness.

Hazys

Chucky the tree wrote: »

LT is 6th in rushing yards in the AFc, 12 overall.

Maybe we should than just pick the probowl based purely on stats.

If the players and the public vote was taken away and the probowl was selected on the votes of coaches, scouts etc I think youd have a much more fairer system especially since players get bonuses based on probowl selection.

Chucky the tree

Hazys wrote: »

Maybe we should than just pick the probowl based purely on stats.

So what's Moss done outside of his stats that's been so impressive?

Hazys

Chucky the tree wrote: »

So what's Moss done outside of his stats that's been so impressive?

Im not saying Moss should be starting in the probowl but youve got to rank a guy higher whos playing for a playoff place in more crunch games (see 4th Q drive in Pats V Jets, MIA & SF games, etc) and has shown up in games and won them for his team. How many games has Welker won for the Pats and hes not in the top 5?

than a guy who is the primary RB in a team who is going to get the majority of handoffs for his team and rack up rushing yards. How many games has LT won for his team that included above average play and not just being the primary RB?

davyjose

Hazys wrote: »

Maybe we should than just pick the probowl based purely on stats.

New England have not been good enough to have 50% of the entire AFC quota of WR's in the Pro-bowl, it's that simple - Moss got in based not on stats, but you obviously think Welker should be in based on his stats. What's it to be? It's not 2007 anymore lads.

Chucky the tree

Hazys wrote: »

Im not saying Moss should be starting in the probowl but youve got to rank a guy higher whos playing for a playoff place in more crunch games (see 4th Q drive in Pats V Jets, MIA & SF games, etc) and has shown up in games and won them for his team. How many games has Welker won for the Pats and hes not in the top 5?

than a guy who is the primary RB in a team who is going to get the majority of handoffs for his team and rack up rushing yards. How many games has LT won for his team that included above average play and not just being the primary RB?

Chargers are a place-off team aswell, still not out of it.


I havent seen the chargers matches, but I am sure th 9TD's he's scored have been just as important as the 10 moss has. Also I know LT has scored a 40 yarder. I just dont understand how someone can say the Moss selection isnt that bad but then claim the LT one is a joke. Both selections are a joke.

I wouldnt say Wes Welker should definitly be in there, but I'd have no arguements if he was there. I think for alot of the WR it can come down to a coin-flip between about 6 of them. Andre Johnson is the only definite for me.

Dodge

Just to reiterate, these aren't the selections.

Can we at least see the line ups before criticising them?

Hazys

davyjose wrote: »

New England have not been good enough to have 50% of the entire AFC quota of WR's in the Pro-bowl, it's that simple - Moss got in based not on stats, but you obviously think Welker should be in based on his stats. What's it to be? It's not 2007 anymore lads.

Just to reiterate the points I made, as you clearly didnt read them:

1. I never said Moss should be in the top 5, I have only argued he is much more worthy than LT

2. I never once mentioned stats as the reason why Welker should be a probowler. Obviously his stats are very good but his ability to play when it counts, being an allround good football player, his consistency and being the most important player on the Patriots on the offense are the reasons i think he deserves it.

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's 12 in recieving yards in the AFC, 22nd or something overall with 841 yards.

I know the numbers don't add up but you have to remember that he was getting no looks at all for the first couple of weeks as Cassel got used to being a starter. Since then he has done his thing any time the ball comes his way.
You might notice that I didn't automatically say Welker should be in this year, he has done well but again, the first couple of weeks with Cassel he was getting the ball almost every other pass. So he has big yardage from them couple of weeks.

davyjose

Hazys wrote: »

Just to reiterate the points I made, as you clearly didnt read them:

1. I never said Moss should be in the top 5, I have only argued he is much more worthy than LT

2. I never once mentioned stats as the reason why Welker should be a probowler. Obviously his stats are very good but his ability to play when it counts, being an allround good football player, his consistency and being the most important player on the Patriots on the offense are the reasons i think he deserves it.

I disagree. It's difficult, because a WR's performance pivots massively on the quality of a QB, whereas to a certain extent, a RB does it by himself. But you're ignring a couple of things: Philip rivers has the highest QB rating in the league, and te Most TD's, despite a losing record. Now, this automatically reduces LT's impact to the Chargers season. 2nd, the chargers have huge holes in their team (you can't have a QB with 100+ QB rating and LT and be 6-8, without some serious deficiencies in other areas). 3rd, LT has come back from a bad injury this season.
On the other hand, Moss has lost Tom Brady - that's it - that's the sole reason his numbers have plummeted.
The Pats have had an average season offensively, and Moss is on the list. So a big part of the reason Welker is not there, is because Moss is.

brennaldo

kryogen wrote: »

some of those selections, i.e. Manning, Moss, Lt etc are kinda...........how do i put this........questionable

manning, questionable, are you serious? Peyton Manning is a living ledgend and has led the Colts to a great position, and currently the Colts have the longest winning streak, He should well be one of the mvp contenders (but probably not THE mvp)

ReacherCreature

Shhesh. Manning deserves to go through to the Pro Bowl.
He's had two knee operations and didn't play a down in the preseason.
He's leading the Colts on a winning streak that's gonna push them into the playoffs.

Just because his numbers aren't lighting off the charts doesn't mean he doesn't get an MVP award. He's a contender.

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