Trust me! I'm a politician!

Slow Motion

Considering the latest of the Governments turnarounds, i.e. Lisbon 2, the fact that they don't listen to anyone but the voices in their own heads and act accordingly. The fact that they cannot find 10 million for a cancer vaccine but can find 180 million in no time to bail out pigmeat farmers and processors. The question is simple, do you believe anything a politician tells you? This question is not limited to this government but applies across the board!

Orange69

European Jaguar

Slow Motion wrote: »

Considering the latest of the Governments turnarounds, i.e. Lisbon 2, the fact that they don't listen to anyone but the voices in their own heads and act accordingly. The fact that they cannot find 10 million for a cancer vaccine but can find 180 million in no time to bail out pigmeat farmers and processors. The question is simple, do you believe anything a politician tells you? This question is not limited to this government but applies across the board!

I hope you are not just now realizing that Fianna Fail are a bunch of lying, incompetent morons?

Slow Motion

European Jaguar

Orange69 wrote: »

I hope you are not just now realizing that Fianna Fail are a bunch of lying, incompetent morons?

No realised that a long time ago, my question however pertains to all of them not just the currently incumbent muppet gallery!

Orange69

European Jaguar

Slow Motion wrote: »

No realised that a long time ago, my question however pertains to all of them not just the currently incumbent muppet gallery!

I Personally believe that Ireland has never had a honest and competent government, not during my lifetime..

oztots

European Jaguar

I dont like them and i dont trust them.

Its awful to consider that we vote for the best of a bad lot. Seeing our representives as a necessary evil.

Biggins

European Jaguar

Nope. Don't trust them.

The only person I'd trust is the last person who wants to become a politician.

Slow Motion

European Jaguar

Orange69 wrote: »

I Personally believe that Ireland has never had a honest and competent government, not during my lifetime..

I am inclined to agree, and certainly not in my lifetime!

Nehaxak

European Jaguar

No.

With the exception (personally) of Joe Higgins, Gerry Adams and Tony Gregory.

enda1

Biggins wrote: »

Nope. Don't trust them.

The only person I'd trust is the last person who wants to become a politician.

Thanks! Can I have a lend of €10k, I swear I'll have it back for you tomorrow, hang on and I'll email you my IBAN number...

dade

European Jaguar

why do the farmers need money, they sold their pigs to be butchers, so they haven't sold any in a week the pigs still live don't they? the pigs can now be eaten can they not? ok so the farmer is paid a little later than usual big bloody deal

as for the butches well they shouldn't have poisoned the pig now should they

oztots

European Jaguar

dade wrote: »

why do the farmers need money, they sold their pigs to be butchers, so they haven't sold any in a week the pigs still live don't they? the pigs can now be eaten can they not? ok so the farmer is paid a little later than usual big bloody deal

as for the butches well they shouldn't have poisoned the pig now should they

Im guesing the butches didnt quite poison the pig. And the farmers pigs that have the badness in them will still be bad in a week, a month and a year from now.
But i thought this was about politicians?

The_Minister

Nehaxak wrote: »

No.

With the exception (personally) of Joe Higgins, Gerry Adams and Tony Gregory.

LOL

ejmaztec

dade wrote: »

as for the butches well they shouldn't have poisoned the pig now should they

I heard nothing about a gang of shaven-headed women in dungarees poisoning pigs.

Hellm0

I do not trust politicians as I fully believe* that they are ALL Satan worshiping lizards who receive their instructions DIRECTLY from the pope himself (via telepathy).


* A lie.


In reality I believe that the system of social hierarchy which we adhere to, where power is centralized upward, is inherently flawed on the scale which modern societies exist.

biko

European Jaguar

Politicians can't be trusted, perhaps they started out trustworthy but as they go along they become more and more manipulative and bad.

Perhaps if they where not allowed to sit on company boards or allowed to own shares?
m2c

Dave!

Unlike (apparantly) most people in this thread I don't see "politicians" as a homogeneous group who are all good or all bad. I wouldn't even claim to know anything about "all" politicians (as some people would, since they're capable of making such broad statements about every one of them since their birth).

They range from the retarded to the misguided or naive to the incompetent to the competent to the self-serving.

Some are tip top, some are c*nts.

Sweeping statements such as "I don't trust any politician" is pathetic ignorant crap that you'd expect from a conspiracy nut or an infant who was raped by a politician.

CDfm

European Jaguar

Yup they all lie -the companies finances should be very simple but they are not.

Can Richard Bruton fix it. Of course he can,

Reform the civil service,cut civil service pensions, cut out non essential public services. cut swadges from the Health Service.

Lots of stuff -but does he have the balls - no way,

Hellm0

Dave! wrote: »

Unlike (apparantly) most people in this thread I don't see "politicians" as a homogeneous group who are all good or all bad. I wouldn't even claim to know anything about "all" politicians (as some people would, since they're capable of making such broad statements about every one of them since their birth).

They range from the retarded to the misguided or naive to the incompetent to the competent to the self-serving.

Some are tip top, some are c*nts.

Sweeping statements such as "I don't trust any politician" is pathetic ignorant crap that you'd expect from a conspiracy nut or an infant who was raped by a politician.

Induction my dear simpleton, I have never met nor read nor heard of of a decent politician.

BroomBurner

CDfm wrote: »

cut civil service pensions,

:rolleyes: Jealous much?

There are no honest politicians. In any party. Power corrupts.

Guy:Incognito

Politicians and truth should not share the same sentence!

Holy loaded poll Batman.

inforfun

oztots wrote: »

Im guesing the butches didnt quite poison the pig. And the farmers pigs that have the badness in them will still be bad in a week, a month and a year from now.
But i thought this was about politicians?

Pigs... politicians.
I dont think it is THAT off topic....

boring_job_guy

European Jaguar

politicians are proffessional arse-lickers, nothing more.

They're usually not experts in anything and don't have a clue what they're on about.

I think the government should have as little power over the people as possible, as politicians have demonstrated time and time again that they are not responsible enough to make these decisions on our behalf.

Ckal

European Jaguar

Dave! wrote: »

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Sweeping statements such as "I don't trust any politician" is pathetic ignorant crap that you'd expect from a conspiracy nut or an infant who was raped by a politician.

You do realize how stupid you sound after making that statement, don't you?

Donald-Duck

Ckal wrote: »

You do realize how stupid you sound after making that statement, don't you?

I agree with him

Ckal

European Jaguar

You simply can't say **** like that and then expect to be taken seriously.

Dave!

Ckal wrote: »

You do realize how stupid you sound after making that statement, don't you?

No, please inform me as I am unaware

edit:

Ckal wrote: »

You simply can't say **** like that and then expect to be taken seriously.

oh

galwayrush

European Jaguar

"We will build a Claregalway bypass"..........
"Galway outer ring road will be built.".........
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Quint

I'd trust any polititian ahead of Declan Ganley

CDfm

European Jaguar

Ckal wrote: »

You do realize how stupid you sound after making that statement, don't you?

You must be a politician to say that

Ckal

European Jaguar

Dave! wrote: »

No, please inform me as I am unaware

Everything was fine until you typed "or an infant who was raped by a politician." - Are you that cracked that you think bringing infant rape into a discussion is somehow intelligent?

galwayrush

European Jaguar

Quint wrote: »

I'd trust any polititian ahead of Declan Ganley

I don't support Declan Ganley's views most of the time, but i would trust his honesty above any politician i know.

CDfm

European Jaguar

Ckal wrote: »

Everything was fine until you typed "or an infant who was raped by a politician." - Are you that cracked that you think bringing infant rape into a discussion is somehow intelligent?

its allegorical - a metaphor for the Ireland. Many seers sages and mystics compare Ireland to a woman or child.

Dave! just brings the metaphor one step further and I applaud his honesty that he can say it without resorting to crudity.

It would be great to get a straight answer.

Dave!

Ckal wrote: »

Everything was fine until you typed "or an infant who was raped by a politician." - Are you that cracked that you think bringing infant rape into a discussion is somehow intelligent?

Report the post if you don't like it, otherwise stick to the topic.

Good lad

galwayrush wrote: »

I don't support Declan Ganley's views most of the time, but i would trust his honesty above any politician i know.

Dear god!

galwayrush

European Jaguar

Dave! wrote: »

Dear god!

That was more a reflection on how bad our politicians are rather that in praise of mr Ganley..:p

Ckal

European Jaguar

CDfm wrote: »

its allegorical - a metaphor for the Ireland. Many seers sages and mystics compare Ireland to a woman or child.

Dave! just brings the metaphor one step further and I applaud his honesty that he can say it without resorting to crudity.

It would be great to get a straight answer.

Can you tell me how the conspiracy theorist comment was metaphorical? Or was the infant rape comment just a convenient metaphor? I don't think so.

Dave! wrote: »

Report the post if you don't like it, otherwise stick to the topic.

Good lad

I won't report it because it's not breaking any rules. I just don't see how you can come out with something like that.

dr.bollocko

European Jaguar

Hellm0 wrote: »

Induction my dear simpleton, I have never met nor read nor heard of of a decent politician.

Dave! wrote: »

Sweeping statements such as "I don't trust any politician" is pathetic ignorant crap that you'd expect from a conspiracy nut or an infant who was raped by a politician.

Chaps. It's friday. Its two weeks from Christmas.
Some people tend to have different political views to other people and that is allowed.
No need to make it personal.
Any queries PM me. I don't want any more on thread off topic argument.
Relax. Take a load off. Hum a christmas song. Take a moment.

Kold

European Jaguar

"A politician divides people into two groups. Tools and enemies."

Friedrich Nietsche

dr.bollocko

European Jaguar

Kold wrote: »

"A politician divides people into two groups. Tools and enemies."

Friedrich Nietsche

If my enemy is a tool does that make him a politician?
Actually.. If my tool is an enemy would you vote for it?

galwayrush

European Jaguar

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Actually.. If my tool is an enemy would you vote for it?

Most people voted for pricks in the last election.:pac:

Kold

European Jaguar

Who knows? I spout Fred's quotes whenever I'm baked because it makes impressionable 16 year old girls value their virginity's less.

CDfm

European Jaguar

Ckal wrote: »

Can you tell me how the conspiracy theorist comment was metaphorical? Or was the infant rape comment just a convenient metaphor? I don't think so.

Its not a conspiracy theory in Dave!'s view its a statement of fact.

Ireland is a small country yet we have the bureaucracy of the United Nations where a major decision can be supported by the majority of parlimentary members and the government yet rejected by the electorate. this would indicate that elected officials are out of touch with the electorate.

The farmers lobby groups are essentially a lobby group. Pressure from such a group led to funding being found for their "client group" as opposed to funding a much smaller sum for a cancer vaccine for teenage girls - essentially a more worthwhile public health project with less tangible short term benefits -however its a vote catcher.Dave!s point.

Marry this up with the multiple other lobby groups which compete for funds and the complex national and local politics that is a part of the patronage system in Irish politics and we are left with a country in a mess.

You can apply this level of transactional anaysis and backroom deals accross the whole of the Irish political and public service system and are left with a system not unlike that of 1930s New York which lacked transparency and was corrupt.

So while the choice of metaphor may have been racy prose and the juxtaposition is uncomfortable(vaccines for teenage girls vs pig farmer compensation) -it is nonetheless an appropriate one. Essentially;do our politicians collectively have the will to do the right thing and dismantle this crazy system or are we to expect more of the same.

I dont care if you reply or not - but Dave!s questions is simple.

Dave!

eh..... I guess I said alot more than I thought!

Cheers!

Alessandra

European Jaguar

How can I believe what Irish politicians say when they don't believe it themselves??? i.e the budget in November which has since been torn to shreds..

Aodan83

European Jaguar

I believe politicians have their own brand (or meaning even) of truth, whereby it is the truth at the time they are telling the people. I havent quite finished this theory, but it does involve the truth changing even more rapidly that in the real world.

CDfm

European Jaguar

Dave! wrote: »

eh..... I guess I said alot more than I thought!

Cheers!

i did go OTT - but F@*" it. Great question and metaphor.:pac:

CDfm

European Jaguar

Aodan83 wrote: »

I believe politicians have their own brand (or meaning even) of truth, whereby it is the truth at the time they are telling the people. I havent quite finished this theory, but it does involve the truth changing even more rapidly that in the real world.

Stephen Colbert invented the word truthines for it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

If a politician lies we should be able to throw rooten vegitables at them. And why if company directors waste company money they can be sues prosecuted and jailed and politicians not? It aint fair.

ART6

European Jaguar

For those who insist that making sweeping statements about distrusting politicians as a group is infantile, perhaps the question is what created that attitude? Not the politicians themselves, surely?:rolleyes:

sillysasauge

ART6 wrote: »

For those who insist that making sweeping statements about distrusting politicians as a group is infantile, perhaps the question is what created that attitude? Not the politicians themselves, surely?:rolleyes:

hehe, now that is one great reply! Fair play