Bichon frise or Chihuahua pups

paddyred9

Hi folks,

Does anyone know of any Bichon frise or Chihuahua pups available to a good home?

We are looking for one pup, preferably female and must have her papers.

Let me know if you know anyone who does, It's needed this side of christmas.

boomerang

Preferably female and must have her papers?

You're planning to breed from her then, in time?

No decent breeder will sell pups for the Christmas market. Unless you want to give money to an unscrupulous puppy-farmer who is breeding dogs in bad conditions with no thought for their welfare, I suggest you wait until the New Year.

paddyred9

No i'm not actually looking to breed her It's just that we've been looking for a year and all we ever find are fake ads on done deal and gum tree etc.

~Thalia~

boomerang wrote: »

Preferably female and must have her papers?

You're planning to breed from her then, in time?

While I agree with your sentiment is it absolutely necessary to make such assumptions when met with a thread asking about getting a puppy?

susie957

i think unless you can actually give some good advice on the question you should not bother answering, you assume he wants to breed you have no idea and then go on a rant about puppy farms again assuming he doesn't know about them, get yourself a life!

boomerang

What is the harm in asking if he wants to breed from the dog? I was only asking a question.

And guess what, the vast majority of chihuahuas and bichons in this country are bought from puppy farms. There are several puppy farms operating in County Limerick alone, that are churning out sickly chihuahua puppies. IKC pedigree papers are actually worthless as so many are forged or sold with a dog when they actually are the papers of another dog. I'd say something if they were an indicator of quality, but they're not.

No reputable breeder of chihuahuas or bichons is going to be selling puppies in advance of Christmas. The only ones you'll find willing to sell at this time of year are exactly the kind of breeders this guy is trying to avoid.

So in my opinion, all I did was offer the guy some decent advice.

Jeez Louise! Sounds like you need to get a life, buddy! Why are you assuming I am going in on the attack with this OP? Have you ever read any of my other posts?

susie957

why is it any of your business if he is breeding the dog???
did you even read the question he asked or did you just decide to have your rant about puppy farms?? if you read the question you would see he wants papers which would show you that he isn't interested in puppy farms so unless you have any good advice for who to contact don't respond!

bigpinkelephant

If I was getting a puppy, I'd be looking for a female as well. Because I'm female, and my 5 cats are all girls too. And I'd want papers to see her pedigree- there's a lot of "champion bloodline" puppies out there with no papers to back it up.

Doesn't mean I'm going to breed her...

OP, it is true that no good breeder will sell puppies for Xmas. The ads on DoneDeal are shocking at the moment. "Latest designer hybrid- ideal Xmas gift" etc.

~Thalia~

boomerang wrote: »

What is the harm in asking if he wants to breed from the dog? I was only asking a question.

No harm I suppose really it just seems that anyone that comes on here asking about a puppy with papers and female gets that immediate response.

Not everyone looking for a female pedigree dog wants to breed to make money from them.

About done deal, I was really shocked to see yesterday a guy advertising wolf hybrids. How irresponsible is that. :mad:

boomerang

Susie957, where on earth have you come out of, breathing fire and brimstone? :P

I'd hardly describe my posts in this thread as a "rant."


First of all, any breeder - and that includes puppy farmers - can provide IKC papers. I wouldn't expect anyone to be hung up on wanting the dog's papers if it's only going to be a pet. The only reason you would actually need a dog's papers (apart from the curiosity value) is if you intend to breed from the dog. IKC registration is a money-making exercise for the IKC pure and simple. They don't regulate breeders in this country to ensure that the pups registered are bred and reared in appropriate conditions, so "papers" are no indication of quality. The vast majority of chihuahuas sold in this country right now come from puppy-farms and have-a-go-breeders, because chihuhuas are currently enjoying a wave of popularity. The breeders only in it for the money are churning out pups in squalid conditions to meet demand. So the OP needs to be extra careful where he sources his puppy from.

Secondly, If I had a penny for every time someone rang me looking for an un-neutered dog, with papers... Some pet-owners don't see the harm in breeding a litter or three from their pet dog for a few extra bob... I would gently try and put any pet-owner off breeding from their dog, as it is so fraught with difficulties and huge expense. I work in rescue full-time dealing with litter upon litter of unwanted puppies, sickly, poorly-bred "pedigrees" and purebreds that have been dumped because they were bought with no forethought and became too much trouble... So excuse me if I'm a little sensitive to someone looking for a female purebred dog, with papers.

I notice no one else who posted in this thread can actually give the OP the explicit info he was looking for, yet you've all posted too, to criticise me - the only person who's actually said anything helpful to the OP so far?

Sigma Force

I'm finding this thread a bit sexist towards male dogs lol.

All I can say is just be wary of dodgy breeders at this time of year, as said already. Be aware than many pb pooches do come with health issues and that papers mean nothing they might as well be given away free on the back of cereal boxes.

However do have a long talk with a breeder should you find one, insist on seeing both parents with such a small breed they must be housed in the house or have a special room in the house and the parents and pups should be allowed socialise with the breeders family. These are just some things to look out for.

Practically speaking this time of year isn't always the best time to get new puppy, lot of toilet training so a lot of late nights having to stand out in the freeezing cold brrrrrr.
We are planning on getting another puppy but are waiting until March ish when the weather hopefully will start to improve don't fancy standing in the garden at 3am waiting for them to wee lol.

There should be a list of breeders on the IKC site.

~Thalia~

boomerang wrote: »

Susie957, where on earth have you come out of, breathing fire and brimstone? :P

I'd hardly describe my posts in this thread as a "rant."


First of all, any breeder - and that includes puppy farmers - can provide IKC papers. I wouldn't expect anyone to be hung up on wanting the dog's papers if it's only going to be a pet. It's a money-making exercise for the IKC and they don't regulate breeders in this country to ensure that the pups registered are bred and reared in appropriate conditions. The vast majority of chihuahuas sold in this country come from puppy-farms and have-a-go-breeders, because they are enjoying a wave of popularity at the moment and there is a lot of demand for them. So the OP needs to be extra careful where he sources his puppy from.

Secondly, If I had a penny for every time someone rang me looking for an un-neutered dog, with papers... Some pet-owners don't see the harm in breeding a litter or three from their pet dog for a few extra bob... I would gently try and put any pet-owner off breeding from their dog, as it is so fraught with difficulties and huge expense. I work in rescue full-time dealing with litter upon litter of unwanted puppies, sickly, poorly-bred "pedigrees" and purebreds that have been dumped because they were bought with no forethought and became too much trouble... So excuse me if I'm a little sensitive to someone looking for a female purebred dog, with papers.

I notice no one else who posted in this thread can actually give the OP the explicit info he was looking for, yet you've all posted too, to criticise me - the only person who's actually said anything helpful to the OP so far?

If you are suggesting that my post was critical of you then you are wrong and overly sensitive. I was as you put it in your original post to the OP 'Just asking a question'.

Relax.

boomerang

Not directed at you, Thalia.

Hard to relax when some newly registered member of the site chooses to attack you for no reason in their opening posts on this site? :rolleyes:

~Thalia~

boomerang wrote: »

Not directed at you, Thalia.

Hard to relax when some newly registered member of the site chooses to attack you for no reason in their opening posts on this site? :rolleyes:

Yep, I agree, people get very 'het up' here sometimes. It's not really necessary, I know people will always have differing opinions but it's not right to reduce it to the level of name calling etc.

For what it is worth I agree with you. Having worked fostering in rescue I would never EVER again consider buying a dog. I have my one rescue shep and would dealy love another one but landlord says only one doggy. But having seen the amount of 'disposable' dogs out there it would simpy not be an option for me.

As for the OPs question, I too would advise waitin until the New Year. If you are intent on buying a pedigree dog then you should contact the IKC and have them recommend a breeder to you.

boomerang

I would always point people in the direction of rescue if they are looking for a dog, but I don't see the harm in someone buying a dog, if they have their hearts set on a certain breed and are unlikely to find that breed in rescue... I can't ever remember a Chihuahua coming into rescue - we had a few Chihuahua-Jack Russell crosses alright though! And a Bichon or Bichon X once in a blue moon.

OP, if you have kids, I wouldn't be inclined to go for a Chihuahua... They are so delicate and you have to keep an eye on them to make sure they don't jump down off the furniture, or get sat on! (I'm serious!) They can also be a bit "precious" and intolerant of small children's attention. The Bichon would be a more robust dog for a family, but the coat does need a lot of work.

~Thalia~

boomerang wrote: »

I would always point people in the direction of rescue if they are looking for a dog, but I don't see the harm in someone buying a dog, if they have their hearts set on a certain breed and are unlikely to find that breed in rescue... I can't ever remember a Chihuahua coming into rescue - we had a few Chihuahua-Jack Russell crosses alright though! And a Bichon or Bichon X once in a blue moon.

OP, if you have kids, I wouldn't be inclined to go for a Chihuahua... They are so delicate and you have to keep an eye on them to make sure they don't jump down off the furniture, or get sat on! (I'm serious!) They can also be a bit "precious" and intolerant of small children's attention. The Bichon would be a more robust dog for a family, but the coat does need a lot of work.

I don't see the harm in it either but it just wouldn't be something I would do. I have my eye on Lewis in the Grman shep section of Irish animals. What a STUNNING boy. Would love him!

boomerang

You ain't seen Omar at LAW yet... Handsome, big, 35kg GSD teddy bear!

He's not up on the IA for rehoming yet as he needs to gain another 5kg or so before he can be neutered and then put up for adoption.

~Thalia~

boomerang wrote: »

You ain't seen Omar at LAW yet... Handsome, big, 35kg GSD teddy bear!

He's not up on the IA for rehoming yet as he needs to gain another 5kg or so before he can be neutered and then put up for adoption.

Ah Jesus stop the tease! I live in Limerick too!

susie957

Having decided on a low to non shed, small to medium dog with calm submissive tendencies and good training instincts I for one think he has chosen well. he’s ruled out the yorkie terriers (notorious house-breaking difficulties and separation anxiety issues) and poodles (very high energy) and jack russels (very high energy and diggers) and dachshounds (shedding and aggression).

So I make no apologies for him doing what everyone including rescues recommend and researching a breed, deciding what’s right for his life situation and keeping with it. I get that you have chosen a career whereby you see cruelty and neglect and I get how that being shoved in your face day after day could affect you – read through your posts you really think everyone is clueless and out to do the worst. Seriously in your last response you go on for two big paragraphs about puppy farms when he told you he's looking for papers to avoid that scenario and there is no intention of breeding. You have the best of intentions I’m sure – but you do consistently give a bit of a response to a question and then go down the – you’re one of THEM aren’t you route. Anyone on this board is surely someone who wants the best for animals – let’s face it there’s a host of other things you could do then talk about animals if you didn’t care for them – it would have just been nice for you to say – you know what there are some great breeders out there if you go to... or and I know you might be looking at a purebred but I work in a rescue and there’s a rescue chi or bichon we just saved that’s looking for a great home if you’d like to apply.

bigpinkelephant

boomerang wrote: »

when some newly registered member of the site chooses to attack you for no reason in their opening posts on this site? :rolleyes:

What has their postcount and join date got to do with anything?

boomerang

Ok - let myself repeat myself - again.

Puppy farmers are more than happy to supply IKC papers. Deliberately seeking out a dog with papers is not going to shield you from sickly, unsocialised, inbred pups. Geddit?


Someone's post count and when they registered DOES have something to do with it, when someone who has never posted before and has only just joined tells someone else who means well and is trying to give advice, to get a life.

What a beacon of positivity this new poster is likely to be, on the basis of their posts to date.

You know what Susie957, from taking enquiries from the public day after day about adopting/rehoming/purchasing dogs - most people that I come in contact with don't know a whole bunch about how to avoid the pitfalls when choosing a dog, and I try and help them as best I can - whether they want to adopt a rescue or buy a purebred. Rescue is not all about facing horrific cruelty and neglect. On a daily basis, it's mostly about trying to help people make the right choices when it comes to bringing an animal into their lives. Most people have no idea that puppy farms even exist, or even know what to look out for when buying a puppy.

So get off my ass, ok? By the way your description of a chihuahua as having "calm submissive tendencies" gave me a great laugh. How many chihuahuas do you actually know, or did you find that on the web? :rolleyes:

You're here five minutes and already you're dismissing me as someone who thinks everyone else is clueless. Read all my posts, did you?

If you are this annoyed and upset at a single person's posts on a discussion board, you really need to get out more.

Sigma Force

I've known a few Chihuanhuas in my time and ok they are cute little things but by god the two I knew well were little nightmares nippy, narky, possesive of their owner, only eat teeny bits of chicken very fussy about their food and yappy. Ok not all are like this but they aren't a breed I would go for too delicate as well. They probably make a great dog for a retired person and of course some can live happily with familys and are great dogs if given a bit of training but they are a huge dog trapped in a teeny tiny body.

As said Bichon would be a better bet, their coat needs a lot of work and they can suffer from skin problems but in general they seem like a nice well rounded dog.

valpuk

Hello all.

I got my very first puppy last Sunday from a lovely lovely breeder down in Wicklow. He has pure bred Bichon's and King Charles puppies. I have absolutly no time for the likes of puppt farms and it makes me sick to think people can treat animals in that manner.

I travelled down from Offaly to pick my pup and she is an absolute dote, the litter had 4 females and 3 males.
My female 'Sassy' was the first to leave the litter so hopefully John may have females left if you wanted to try him? His puppies are so beautiful and they are vacc., micro-chipped and IKC reg.

Sassy is a little tear-around, I think I fell fully in love with her somewhere between Tullow and Carlow ? :D:D

John is actually advertised on Done Deal at the moment. If you want me to give u his contact details then please send me a message or else his number is on his ad on Done Deal.

I hope this info will help u and even if u dont decide to go ahead with one of his puppies at least if u even see them you cant help but go 'Aaaawwwww' :o:o:o

Morganna

~Thalia~ wrote: »

No harm I suppose really it just seems that anyone that comes on here asking about a puppy with papers and female gets that immediate response.

Not everyone looking for a female pedigree dog wants to breed to make money from them.

About done deal, I was really shocked to see yesterday a guy advertising wolf hybrids. How irresponsible is that. :mad:

They probably arent wolf hybrids though he says they are .I asked about Dna to prove the wolf blood and got no answer.And yes it is irresponsible if they are .And no i wasnt wanting one just being nosey to see if he had dna to back up his claims

Morganna

I dont think any pedigree pup should be sold without papers .wether for pet or show

susie957

boomerang do me a favour and stop responding to me you obviously have some underline problems and i have no time for you and as for reading your other posts??? are you serious get a grip on yourself and just BACK OFF!

~Thalia~

Morganna wrote: »

They probably arent wolf hybrids though he says they are .I asked about Dna to prove the wolf blood and got no answer.And yes it is irresponsible if they are .And no i wasnt wanting one just being nosey to see if he had dna to back up his claims

Yep that's what I thought, I know most people who advertise wolf hybrids have dogs that look like wolves but aren't wolf hybrids. There are some of the real deal arounf though and that saddens me.

Morganna

theres two litters on done deals i hope they arent the real wolf hybrids its so bloody sad if they are.

Glowing

But didn't all domestic dogs evolve from the wolf???

OP, I think you should take some of Boomerangs points - she's just frustrated dealing with hoards and hoards of irresponsible owners, working in the shelter/rescue industry can be like banging your head off a brick wall.

Do yourself and your new pet a favour by educating yourself as much as possible before choosing a dog. You have to detract yourself from the 'cuteness' factor, and be able to make an informed, RESPONSIBLE decision! Any breeder can churn out pups, but breeding healthy, happy, well adjusted pets is an art.

Little Miss Cutie

OP, we have a bichon. Got him twelve months ago from a breeder in Kildare. I suggest that you call the kennel club and they will steer you in the right direction. Please bear in mind that I was waiting for several months to get him after I first enquired.

He does take a fair amount of work, coat needs to be brushed everyday and regular grooming. Having said that he is worth all the effort and is a great pet.

Whispered

susie957 wrote: »

.... then go on a rant about puppy farms again assuming he doesn't know about them, get yourself a life!

susie957 wrote: »

...... so unless you have any good advice for who to contact don't respond!

susie957 wrote: »

boomerang do me a favour and stop responding to me you obviously have some underline problems and i have no time for you and as for reading your other posts??? are you serious get a grip on yourself and just BACK OFF!

Wow you're agressive aren't you. Did you come on to boards just to get digs in at that poster? Coz you have four posts and three of the four are agressively directed at boomerang.