Online Sit N Go's

Castlerock

Hi, my win rate is 55% over 137 games and I am aiming for 65-70% win rate. At 55% wr I make no money as extra 5% goes to cover the registration fees.

I have played for many years and have a good tight aggressive game suitable for these sng's, good read on opponents and awareness of how to play on the bubble. I have had more than my fair share of sick bad beats you know the kind KK losing to J8. AK losing to A2. etc at keys times in the games even though ive played the hands correctly and whenever i attempt to steal some blinds running into aces or kings. While i would expect this to happen (variance) some of the time this has accounted for maybe 40 + losses (unusally high) and with fewer of these i would be closer to my 65% target.

Am i overreacting do i need to play maybe 1000 sng's to let variance run its natural course and review the situation after. I havent let the bad beats tilt me and nearly always take a break if it has affected me.

Also re bankroll for i just put together a quick guide for moving up the levels.

$20 NLH double-up sng Bankroll $400
$30 NLH double-up sng Bankroll $600
$50 NLH double-up sng Bankroll $1000
$100 NLH double up sng Bankroll $2000
$200 NLH double up sng Bankroll $4000

Is there a better structure than this. At $200 sng's the return is great you can net 6K per month for a 25hr week at a 65% win rate. Obviously the standard is gonna be much higher at this level but the return is better than expected.

Does anyone here specialise in these double up sng's and have you any tips re bankroll/strategy & opinions generally? Thanks

TripleAce

First deposit bonus across a lot of websites is 60%+ ....this means if you pay 5$ rakes for a game you get 3$ back. After 1k games is 3k $ more in your pocket.

As far as I know no rake back deals or loyalty program beats first time bonuses of 60%+, so in my opinion at the moment the best thing to do is to clear the first deposit bonus and move to the next poker room.

doke

I played a crapload of these for a while. My win rate at the start was over 70%, mainly because people were playing them so badly. As the fish pool got better, my win rate shrank to 62%, and after two successive batches of 100 with a 55% win rate, I gave them up as not worthwhile any more. Perhaps a little hasty as 200 is too small a sample but subjectively I could see people were playing them more correctly. Most of the the big rakers on Stars believe them to be almost unbeatable by more than a couple of percent, at the higher levels anyway, and I tend to agree.

I found them the most tilt inducing things ever. Partly because they're so boring, partly because a bad beat on the bubble feels much worse than in a normal STT. I tried to stick to the guideline that if I lost 2 or 3 on the trot I'd take a break.

I think the best time to hit these things is just after a new site/network introduces them. For the first month or two, people play them badly, but they quickly cop on. Correct strategy is much easier to learn by observation than any other form of poker.

tipp86

You seem to be serious enough so i may as well tell you straight away that you have not a hope.

Heres expected roi for sngs

Here are 2+2 STT ROI expectaion
$3.40s - 18%
$6s - 16%
$16s - 14%
$27s - 12%
$60s - 10%
$114s - 8%
$225s - 6%
$335s+ - 4%

bankroll wise id like 70 buyins for $10 sngs and i wouldnt move up to $20 unless i had over 85 buyins. You could take shots at the other level to get used to it.

Your high roi could be that you are only playing 1 table?

I aim to play 150 - 200 games a week since i started playing some bit serious.

Getting sign up bonuses or rake back is essential.

edit : im not sure if your playing the double up sngs or regular if its the double up games most of what ive wrote wouldnt apply.

Shortstack

If you are plaing the double up STT's on Green Joker Poker the following win rates give you these ROI% including loyalty payments:

65% 20.9% ROI
60% 11.8% ROI
55% 2.7% ROI

From experience I have found that the 6 seaters offer much more value than the 10 seaters.

The best value STT's I have played recently are the 18 player 6max STT's, they seem to attract more bad players and still run fairly rapidly.

ArmaniJeanss

tipp86 wrote: »

You seem to be serious enough so i may as well tell you straight away that you have not a hope.

I think you misunderstood the OP. He is looking for a 65% ITM in double-up SNGs, which would be an ROI of abt 18%, which is probably achievable at the lower levels anyway. Obviously its still off the wall at higher level.

Castlerock

Thanks for advice. Am playing mostly 6 seater turbo double up sng's. Was playing 10 seater but noticed my wr was better with just 6.

Agree with u completly doke they can tilt the hell out of you playing these doubles plus too many people are playing these doubles correctly.

That said i think ill play 1000 of them and see what happens. It sounds like the higher levels are a serious grind that should be avoided probaly.

Is there any benefit to just your standard sng vs these double ups. I see Norwich Rob does alright

Also I play on "boylepoker" but im sure this site is cr*p any thoughts?

doke

I think the standard STTs are better because there are more mistakes the fish can make. Also, they tend to make their biggest mistakes on the bubble and headsup, which is when mistakes are the costliest (and therefore most profitable to the good players).

However, you do have to follow the fish, and a lot of them seem to have flocked to the DUs where they lose more slowly. Boredom may cause them to quit them eventually though.

tipp86

Your probably best off moving i poker skins once you clear the max sign up bonus

Duff Man Jr.

I played just over 1500 of these in August and Sep, mainly 10s and 20s. Made $40 profit! They are soul destroying, 20 buyins is nowhere near enough, 50++ is better. 65% itm at the 200s is not gonna happen.
The rake on stars is 4%, makes a huge difference. But they are very easy to multitable on autopilot and put in a big volume.

Yabbadimday

Duff Man Jr. wrote: »

I played just over 1500 of these in August and Sep, mainly 10s and 20s. Made $40 profit!

How did you manage this?

Ace2007

1500 in 2 months isn't that many in all fairness - 61 days = 25 a day - quite doable - $40 profit - sounds like way to much work

BIGMICKG

stay away from them there unbeatable imo. when they were 1st introduced on stars the rake was 8% this was quickly halfed to 4% as im sure they realised they were unbeatable. even at 4% its impossible to have a decent win rate at them and ur not paying enough rake at them to make it worthwhile playing them for rakeback

Duff Man Jr.

Ace2007 wrote: »

1500 in 2 months isn't that many in all fairness - 61 days = 25 a day - quite doable - $40 profit - sounds like way to much work

Yes and way too much work