Paul Hyland to fight for european title?

Hangballlouie

Just seen this on British-Boxing.net.
http://www.britishboxing.net/?page=news&id=4117

How good is Napa?
Have only seen him once and thought he was good.
Does Hyland have a chance in this one, moving down in weight might go against him?

Hangballlouie

I have just checked Napa's record out on Box-rec.
Hyland has a chance for sure.
If dropping down doesn't affect him, he beats Napa, Judging by his record.
Although records go out the window in boxing.

sligobhoy67

hangballlouie wrote: »

I have just checked Napa's record out on Box-rec.
Hyland has a chance for sure.
If dropping down doesn't affect him, he beats Napa, Judging by his record.
Although records go out the window in boxing.

Hyland has a great chance and shouldnt fear Napa at all imo.

Napa is a tough wee ****er but he is very small and doesnt pack much a of a punch but will push forward for 12 rounds no bother.

Its sure to go to points and I suppose this really is one where the cliched saying "whoever wants it more" should ring true

alanceltic

agrees that there is nothing really to Napa which should pose an problems, hes very limited and is a good opportunity for hyland

Big Ears

hangballlouie wrote: »

I have just checked Napa's record out on Box-rec.
Hyland has a chance for sure.
If dropping down doesn't affect him, he beats Napa, Judging by his record.
Although records go out the window in boxing.

Don't let Napa's defeats fool you(this is how Boxrec can misrepresent the truth), Napa is a quality fighter and a worthy European champion.

The Dappa one has continued improving throughout his career and the only things preventing him from making it at World level are his size(he's ****ing tiny) and lack of power. By right Napa should be at Flyweight, but there isn't much of a British scene down there so he's up at Bantamweight and before winning the European title he did consider moving down to the newly created British Super-Flyweight division.

Napa's like a little James Toney, beautifully slick and yet tough as nails as he looks for quality counters off the other fighters work.

At 18-6 his record would appear to be exceptionally poor for that of a European champion. But it's a matter of looking deeper.

Napa's first two defeats were to two very good fighter early in Napa's career when he was basically still a novice.

He was robbed in his loss to Marc Callaghan, and that's a prime Callaghan btw. Not the same man Paulie Hyland faced.

His loss to Power was a very close fight(cracking fight too btw) in which I did have Power winning but many sawy it the other way. Power landed more but Napa landed the cleaner shots. There was nothing in it and Power got the decision.

After that Napa and Damaen Kelly fought on short notice in Liverpool. Kelly boxed rings around Napa showing World Class skills in what should have been judged a shutout. It really was a terrific display from the Belfast man and there's nothing Napa did wrong but be in the same ring as him.

After a nice easy comeback win Napa got a surprise shot at the European title against Simeone Maludrottu. Expected to be overwhelmed and stopped against Maludrottu Napa put up a very good fight and although certainly didn't win he tested the Italian to the point that despite his growing losses Napa had proved he could compete at Championship level.

and from there it all improved as Napa reeled off 5 quality wins, getting revenge on Jason Booth and Martin Power in the process. There was a clear improvement in the quality of his boxing during in this time and there's no doubt that a major reason of this was Napa dedicating himself properly to the sport. Napa had been known for living a bit of a party lifestyle and it had shown in the way he had failed to live up to his amateur success.

But now he's a different fighter, I missed the Ballone fight but the Belgium had proved himself in the past with wins over Pozo, Tanasie and only losing a cloe split to Maludrottu in Italy.

I can't see him moving up the next step to World level but there's no reason why Napa can't reign at European level for some time.
I'm not sure how you can say Hyland beats Napa looking by his record.

Hyland hasn't beaten anyone near the level of Jason Booth, Martin Power, Lee Haskins or Carmelo Ballone.

Infact beating Heagney would probably become Paul's best win(better than the current version of Callaghan imo), and it's a fight that really should be for the irish title. But I guess you can't strip Moffett for no reason and you can't organise a title fight like that in just a week or two so it's a 6 rounder.

Paul will be huge at Bantamweight however, and if he makes the weight okay will be very strong. For this reason I think the sheer size difference may trouble Napa. However Hyland's defence is very leaky(and reflex based) and a fighter like Napa will probably expose him on this. It's a very intruiging fight and if Paul can overcome Heagney(which is likely but no certainty) then I'd love to see it happen.

It's a real opportunity for Paul because without a big promoter behind him he'll struggle to get meaningful fights, I certanly wouldn't question Paul's right to face Dunne if he beat Heagney and Napa back to back.

Hangballlouie

Big Ears wrote: »

Don't let Napa's defeats fool you(this is how Boxrec can misrepresent the truth), Napa is a quality fighter and a worthy European champion.

The Dappa one has continued improving throughout his career and the only things preventing him from making it at World level are his size(he's ****ing tiny) and lack of power. By right Napa should be at Flyweight, but there isn't much of a British scene down there so he's up at Bantamweight and before winning the European title he did consider moving down to the newly created British Super-Flyweight division.

Napa's like a little James Toney, beautifully slick and yet tough as nails as he looks for quality counters off the other fighters work.

At 18-6 his record would appear to be exceptionally poor for that of a European champion. But it's a matter of looking deeper.

Napa's first two defeats were to two very good fighter early in Napa's career when he was basically still a novice.

He was robbed in his loss to Marc Callaghan, and that's a prime Callaghan btw. Not the same man Paulie Hyland faced.

His loss to Power was a very close fight(cracking fight too btw) in which I did have Power winning but many sawy it the other way. Power landed more but Napa landed the cleaner shots. There was nothing in it and Power got the decision.

After that Napa and Damaen Kelly fought on short notice in Liverpool. Kelly boxed rings around Napa showing World Class skills in what should have been judged a shutout. It really was a terrific display from the Belfast man and there's nothing Napa did wrong but be in the same ring as him.

After a nice easy comeback win Napa got a surprise shot at the European title against Simeone Maludrottu. Expected to be overwhelmed and stopped against Maludrottu Napa put up a very good fight and although certainly didn't win he tested the Italian to the point that despite his growing losses Napa had proved he could compete at Championship level.

and from there it all improved as Napa reeled off 5 quality wins, getting revenge on Jason Booth and Martin Power in the process. There was a clear improvement in the quality of his boxing during in this time and there's no doubt that a major reason of this was Napa dedicating himself properly to the sport. Napa had been known for living a bit of a party lifestyle and it had shown in the way he had failed to live up to his amateur success.

But now he's a different fighter, I missed the Ballone fight but the Belgium had proved himself in the past with wins over Pozo, Tanasie and only losing a cloe split to Maludrottu in Italy.

I can't see him moving up the next step to World level but there's no reason why Napa can't reign at European level for some time.
I'm not sure how you can say Hyland beats Napa looking by his record.

Hyland hasn't beaten anyone near the level of Jason Booth, Martin Power, Lee Haskins or Carmelo Ballone.

Infact beating Heagney would probably become Paul's best win(better than the current version of Callaghan imo), and it's a fight that really should be for the irish title. But I guess you can't strip Moffett for no reason and you can't organise a title fight like that in just a week or two so it's a 6 rounder.

Paul will be huge at Bantamweight however, and if he makes the weight okay will be very strong. For this reason I think the sheer size difference may trouble Napa. However Hyland's defence is very leaky(and reflex based) and a fighter like Napa will probably expose him on this. It's a very intruiging fight and if Paul can overcome Heagney(which is likely but no certainty) then I'd love to see it happen.

It's a real opportunity for Paul because without a big promoter behind him he'll struggle to get meaningful fights, I certanly wouldn't question Paul's right to face Dunne if he beat Heagney and Napa back to back.

I am only posting on this site for a couple of weeks, but as always, you always deliver excellent posts, even if I don't always agree with them.
On this occasion, I bow to your greater knowledge, yet I do think that Hyland's power would win out, like you touched on.
Hyland has fought at 130, and Napa has fought as low as 111.
It is also about time that one of the Hylands has stepped up in class (if it does happen).
The tie-in with Maloney will be good for them as I think he is going to be a big rival to Peters in the next year or so.

Big Ears

hangballlouie wrote: »

I am only posting on this site for a couple of weeks, but as always, you always deliver excellent posts, even if I don't always agree with them.
On this occasion, I bow to your greater knowledge, yet I do think that Hyland's power would win out, like you touched on.
Hyland has fought at 130, and Napa has fought as low as 111.
It is also about time that one of the Hylands has stepped up in class (if it does happen).
The tie-in with Maloney will be good for them as I think he is going to be a big rival to Peters in the next year or so.

I'd have Napa as favourite but it is a winnable fight for Hyland if he's not affected by the weight loss. A link with Maloney would be very big for him aswell and it would be very much in Maloney's interests too. He's planning on putting quite a few cards on in Ireland(Darren Sutherland really wanted this when signing pro with Maloney), and as part of that he'll need some more Irish fighters. Hyland would be a good addition, as he's a very good draw in the Dublin area(all of the brothers are).

I agree that it's about time one of the Hyland's stepped up in class too.

Hangballlouie

Is there any videos of Napa on Youtube or anywhere else?
I tried looking for some, but only got a sparring video, which in fairness, he looked goodmagainst a bigger guy (Lee Meager).

On a side note, is there any truth in the Kiko rumours for the 18th?
I heard whispers that he is fighting as a special guest, and then after him and Munroe are going to announce a rematch.

Big Ears

hangballlouie wrote: »

Is there any videos of Napa on Youtube or anywhere else?
I tried looking for some, but only got a sparring video, which in fairness, he looked goodmagainst a bigger guy (Lee Meager).

On a side note, is there any truth in the Kiko rumours for the 18th?
I heard whispers that he is fighting as a special guest, and then after him and Munroe are going to announce a rematch.

Those are no rumours, Martinez is on the card and after that Munroe has to fight him because Kiko is his mandatory.

It's a tune up for Martinez, and in truth Munroe's defence is a tune up too.
Don't think I can find any clips of Napa online and I don't have any on my laptop so I can't give you a view to what he's like.


alanceltic I don't know what you mean in the sense that Napa is 'limited', unless it's a reference in some way to his lack of power.

walshb

Beating Heagney will be a very good win. Moffet beat him a brilliant scrap!

Moffet took Napa the distance; but Hyland is a wee bit more polished than Colin

T-K-O

I dont know much about Napa but I always thought he was pretty good. Just had a quick look on boxrec he suffered a lose to Marc Callagahan....that aint good.

megadodge

I'm with Big Ears on this one.
His comparison with James Toney is actually quite on the money - except Napa has no power. He has a lovely slick, dipping, rolling style that's quite pleasing on the eye and he's on a good roll at the moment.

I'm not a big fan of going down in weight (both from personal experience and from seeing how it affect others), so IMO it's a very tough fight for Hyland, but it's good to see that they're being moved up in class, as it's time for them.

I'd fancy Napa on pts, but hopefully I'm wrong.

walshb

BTW, Big Ears, you are my 'phone a friend' for boxing.

Superb in-depth and local knowledge.

sston

Can Hyland make bantamweight? No evidence on his record to date that he can and he has always spoke of titles at super bantam, never bantam. The lightest he's been is 8 stone 9 and the bantamweight limit is 8 stone 6.

Even if he can I'd tip Napa to outpoint him comfortably. He'd be far too cute and clever for Hyland, the James Toney comparison is spot on and as for the person that said Hyland's power would be an issue, Hyland doesn't have any power to speak of and even if he did Napa has a great chin anyway.

For me Hyland would be better off targeting Munroe as it's his natural weight and I think he could outbox Munroe for a while although I think he'd eventually take control and win by points or late stoppage.

jayroyal

Don't worry paulie should make the weight handy, it use to weight as high as 57kgs a few weeks before he won the 51kgs seniors. Also he was the better amatuer and he alot slicker than some off yous think on here.
The problem is he can't punch and won't keep napa off . but saying that if he has the stamina to box on outside for 12 rounds he'll be quick enough to win. Quick slashing long punches could hurt napa also.

alanceltic

Big Ears wrote: »

alanceltic I don't know what you mean in the sense that Napa is 'limited', unless it's a reference in some way to his lack of power.

Yeah a lack of power is an obvious point, I watched him recently against ballone and I taught it was a big improvement on an earlier fight i watched and I was actually rooting him in what proved to be a VERY close decision. At the weight for me he is just far too slow. I think there is little doubt that a fight with Hyland would be more likely to go to a decision and in my book Hyland is just that little bit quicker on his toes and has better handspeed, if he kept him on the end of his jab he could dominate him as napa refers to box nice and tight. Basically by limited im trying to say he isnt v strong and doesnt have lightning speed which you would expect at the weight.

Dont get me wrong im not a hugh fan of hyland but if he got his act together he would be favourite in my book but either way he needs to step it up

gummy bear

HI
Ive been reading all your posts about hyland fighting for a title wat is wrong with all off yous hes an irish lad fightin for the euro belt we should be backing him, ive seen him box in all his fights hes a very very good boxer that can win the belt, maybe he doesnt have the knockout dig, but hes speed and movment are a class act plus after reading he was put down heavy in his last fite and got up to push hes man back and nearly won the fite prove to me he has balls and can fite................
he will win on thursday then i hope we all can back him to take euro gold.

adamburke83

paulie hyland made the weight today and was 7oz under the limit and i seen him training and sparring, he is quicker than before and has been working on his power, so at this moment bantam weight is his best chance to progress his career as super bantam weight is the toughset weight today...........hyland would beat napa on pts he can keep him away with hius reach and work off his jab comfortably for the 12 rds

sligobhoy67

gummy bear wrote: »

HI
Ive been reading all your posts about hyland fighting for a title wat is wrong with all off yous hes an irish lad fightin for the euro belt we should be backing him, ive seen him box in all his fights hes a very very good boxer that can win the belt, maybe he doesnt have the knockout dig, but hes speed and movment are a class act plus after reading he was put down heavy in his last fite and got up to push hes man back and nearly won the fite prove to me he has balls and can fite................
he will win on thursday then i hope we all can back him to take euro gold.

we are backing him - however we know his limitations and arnt stupid enough to ignore them

Big Ears

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

we are backing him - however we know his limitations and arnt stupid enough to ignore them

Not to mention Napa's qualities, he's a fantastic little man that just isn't able for it at fringe World level and above, But anything below and Napa's well within his comfort zone.