Why the 1937 Constitution was introduced

xp90

Hi Guys
Need some advice on why an new constitution was introducted in 1937 (ie. alterations and why they were politically neccessary). Your help on this would be much appreciated!

Many Thanks!!

hullaballoo

Read: State (Ryan) v Lennon.

I'm not sure about the copyright status, so I'm not going to post the case, but it's available on justis.com.

johnnyskeleton

xp90 wrote: »

Hi Guys
Need some advice on why an new constitution was introducted in 1937 (ie. alterations and why they were politically neccessary). Your help on this would be much appreciated!

Many Thanks!!

It started with wanting to get rid of all references to the Queen and replacing them with God, and ended up (inadvertently) being a fairly progressive modern constitution. That's my take on it anyway.

hullaballú wrote: »

Read: State (Ryan) v Lennon.

I'm not sure about the copyright status, so I'm not going to post the case, but it's available on justis.com.

The body of the judgement is public domain, the headnote is copyrighted but there's always fair use.

Thirdfox

Fair use - falling under educational purposes or commentary purposes right?

Tom Young

Read the preface - it's all there. De Valera had a few persons draft it and review it too.

I think Canadian's looked at it! http://www.waterford-today.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=786&Itemid=10207&ed=44

DeV was very good.

Tom

xp90

could anybody please give me a few of those political points and explain them (not in too much detail!)

walrusgumble

maybe reading various autobiographies on dev valera might give you an insight on the political aspect of the man and people like him. i would imagine the public records in relation to ireland's foreign policy would be helpful so too would minutes from dail speeches. james casey and hogan in their respective constitution books do a bit on this - compare 1922 constitution to that of 1937 republican and catholic ethos (not catholic enough for the likes of archbishop macquaid of course- in fairness dev stood up to the churh)

in essence the 1922 constitution transposed the anglo irish treaty - the link keystone between . one which we all know dev was not a fan of. then again, any one ever read his document no 2? he seemed to have very little problem with some parts.

in my humble opinion, the circumstances and the changing times and attitude towards the empire-commonwealth changed after the statute of westminister (i stand to be corrected) dominion states got more power in domestic issues without always going back to westminister for approval. then you got dev successfully manovering over the king's adbuction in 1933ish- the oath which in essence if one compares the oath to the canadian and australian.. the irish one was not actually an oath of allegiance to the king but more to do with fidelity, of course one needs to also look at the stroke of political genius performed in making the role of governor general completely useless (though in fairness kevin o'higgins kept tm healy at bay)

then you need to look at what was going on in ireland itself, cumann na ngaedheal did do a very good job in restoring the country peace wise with an garda siochana and they did the donkey work for dev to get where he got to in the 1930's... not all in cng forgot their republican creditials.

basically,as you all know, dev and co when elected to government set out to dismantle the 1922 constitution. dev was anious and concerned about ireland's role in the world, for after all he was external affairs minister (collins who was involved in the said constitution made efforts to make if more republican by not making reference to crown believing the treaty was enough... that got shot down by llyod george immediately which i believe was on the basis of another threat of war) by the time of bunreacht na heireann england/britian had their eyes on other issues in europe,

unfortuately, dev was blind or failed to see the future potential as collins did when collins was proven right that the treaty was a step to achieve further freedom.. all the moves of which dev did was with the stroke of the pen as oppose to the gun.

johnnyskeleton

Tom Young wrote: »

DeV was very good.

I think he looked like a penguin to be honest

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/%C3%89amon_de_Valera_03.jpg

xp90

What relevance is State v. Lennon? I cant seem to find the case.

Lockstep

xp90 wrote: »

Hi Guys
Need some advice on why an new constitution was introducted in 1937 (ie. alterations and why they were politically neccessary). Your help on this would be much appreciated!

Many Thanks!!

Would I be right in guessing that you're in NUIG doing legal science?

xp90

An arts student?me?dont be ridiculous!:) doin law, wat about u?

Lockstep

I'm doing legal science.

Looks like we're doing the same exam.