What are your views on PETA?

bigpinkelephant

Well PETA are probably the most famous animal rights organisation in the world... what do you think of them?

Myself, I agree with a lot of what they protest against. The cruelty in poultry farms, dogs that live their lives on a chain, animals performing in circuses, using fur for fashion.

However I do disagree with some of their beliefs. They believe that all animals should be liberated. If I was to release my snow-white cockatiel into the wild, a hawk would have him in 5 minutes. He has been a pet all his life and white is a man-made colour for cockatiels. He has no camoflauge.

In addition, I find PETA'S methods rather extreme.
I think at this stage, a lot of people hear "PETA" and just roll their eyes, due to the shock tactics used. I think PETA would gain a lot more credibility (and people would have more respect for what they protest for) if they weren't so extreme.

Your thoughts...?

FX Meister

I love them lol

Rory123

I pretty much agree with you bigpinkelephant. Although I have to say that some circus' have the most loved and best cared for animals one could ever encounter.... On the other hand, there are those that should not be allowed to keep so much as a flea.

bigpinkelephant

Video here on how elephants are trained... it's not for the sensitive.

www.circuses.com

Rory123

bigpinkelephant wrote: »

Video here on how elephants are trained... it's not for the sensitive.

www.circuses.com

That is not a video on "how elephants are trained"! It is a video on how some lowlife scumbag called Tim frisco operates.

Anyone could easily put up a video of neglected dogs made by the ISPCA and say this is how dogs are treated in Ireland.

macshadow

www.petakillsanimals.com Liberate my a##e!

Headshot

south park Douche and Turd episode

watch it

macshadow

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south park Douche and Turd episode

watch it

A cartoon?

ashlingm

i think their great...fair enough they sometimes go to extremes - but it just shows you what some animals go through. if the footage wasnt there they wouldnt be filming or documenting it!

for example the elephant training video - we have no proof thats this is only done in this circus...but at the same time we dont know that it dosent happen in every circus. So there basically saying unless you know for sure stay away from them all! and if you check out their websites they do have so many alternatives..as well as showing you animal friendly products etc.

As for the liberation thing- yes they want animal liberation but no they dont want your family bird set free. they want him to have a happy life and not be around for human enjoyment or profit. ie. animals in circus and treated unfairly, they acknowledge that many zoos now have great breeding programmes for animals. they want animals to have a decent life free from pain and suffering caused by us humans...

convert

Like all associations, the initial beliefs, motives, etc. are well-intentioned, but they go way over-board and take attention away from where it's really needed.

HarryD

I agree with most of the things they do.
But I don't like their 'Go Veg' campaign..
I'm all for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, but that doesn't mean I have to go Veg.

I think extreme's are needed to highlight how
As for having a bird in a cage for all it's life - well that's just wrong.
I don't agree with the pet bird industry.

Weidii

There was a debate on in my college recently about animal testing and even though I'm interested in the topic I didn't go. They had PETA debating against animal testing, specifically a renowned extremist (can't remember his name)

I just don't want to be represented by those psychos.

Gauge

Given their numbers and presence, it makes me sad to think of what they could achieve with sensible, sane, and non-threatening campaigns (say, a campaign to educate people on spaying/neutering animals) versus their current extremist approach (all pets are slaves, telling children that their parents are murderers, etc).

steamjetjoe

They are a joke & deserve to be locked up. They even have shares in McDonalds.:mad:

GigaByte

bigpinkelephant wrote: »

Video here on how elephants are trained... it's not for the sensitive.

www.circuses.com

If you think thats bad you don't want to see the video of the poor dogs and cats getting thrown into boiling water/tar or the video of where animals are hung up by the back legs and skinned alive and then left on the ground to die an agonizing death.

Lauragoesmad

You can all say what you like but PETA do amazing work for animals all over the world. They are one of the few groups that have actually achieved prosecutions in factory farming abuse and neglect cases. This is the only way to stop abuse on factory farms, by hitting the factory farm owners where it hurts! Their pockets! By showing the world the abuse that happened on a hormel factory farm in the States, they will be fined a lot of money and have been given a very bad name.
Of course they are going to have a pro vegi and vegan attitude. They would have people left, right and centre calling them hypocrits if they didn't. Although I would not use all the tactics they do myself, I can totally understand why they do.
PETA have ended the suffering of so many animals. Don't get me wrong, no organisation is perfect and I have heard a few dodgy stories but their aim is to help animals in need and who are abused and I respect that whole heartedly.

monkeyfudge

I do love their version of Cooking Mama

http://www.peta.org/cooking-mama/index.asp

I'm not an animal lover by any means... but I do respect the fact that there are people out there willing to stand up against cruelty.

I think there is a place for animal testing in the fields of medicine... but when it comes to cosmetics, it's rather sick... and torturing animals so they perform better for the amusement of humans in circuses is horrific as well.

peeppeep

This open letter to PETA sums up perfectly why I think they are a detestable organisation:

Dear PETA, women are animals too...

Dear PETA,
What is it with the soft porny commercials and naked women? Are you truly so blinded by your desire to save furry critters with faces that you forget women are critters with faces too? Those women were even somewhat furry too, before you made them get all waxed and shaved so they could get nekkid for your tacky ad campaigns. (Apparently natural is good for sheep but not for girls.)
The women in your ads all too often appear to be the victims of some sort of strange fetishized sexualized violence. Naked, vulnerable, marked up like exotic animals, chained and caged. And yet, lovely. Thin, yet curvy. Beautiful, beaten and bound. Sometimes dead.
The gap between this and many a movie you can't see without mom and dad is skimpier than that piece of lettuce that you, PETA, think passes as clothes.
For a group that can work up a head of steam over a goldfish, you sure don't seem to get that women are people too. Seriously, the women of PETA (that sounds like a Playboy layout doesn't it?) are starved, shaved, waxed and laid out for someone's 'viewing pleasure' (surely not mine) like...what am I looking for...oh yeah, a piece of meat. Irony much?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is more of the same old PETA tripe. You have been exploiting naked women in what they say is an effort to stop the exploitation of animals for decades now. But someone sent me a link to this Alicia Silverstone video and asked me if I thought it would help animal rights.
Um, yeah, not so much.

First, the copy:

Sexy Hollywood star Alicia Silverstone bares all in PETA’s first-ever naked veggie testimonial PSA. Watch Alicia’s sexy video, directed by acclaimed director Dave Meyers, whose credits include videos for Britney Spears, OutKast, and Dave Mathews Band.

Very good! You got 'sexy' in both sentences! (and the headline, but who's counting?) Just in case the 'could be raped and left for dead' pseudo-glam shot of Alicia Silverstone that tops this page wasn't 'sexy enough' for your visitors to get. (I do so like the homage to the abused woman motif that that the fashion industry also loves so much. Abused animal=bad, abused woman=marketing. Sweet.)
I have to ask about this: "...PETA’s first-ever naked veggie testimonial PSA" though. If this is the first, what, then, are all of these:
Sophie Monk: naked
Kim Basinger: naked
Joanna Krupa: naked

Traci Bingham: naked and marked up like an old feminist poster - this makes my brain melt
Imoben Bailey: naked, not to mention shacked, lonely and beaten (your terms, not mine)
Doninique Swain (of Lolita 'fame') is naked in a schoolroom and you helpfully point out that she's your youngest naked celebrity. (not that you want to make people think of naked schoolgirls or anything but did you mention Lolita and that she the youngest...?)
Lamon Brewster: male, thus fully clothed (bonus message: hitting people is cool! "I usually let my fists do the talking for me...")
Dennis Rodman: naked

Steve-O: naked
In fairness, I did find those two naked men, and dozens more naked women, although neither of them are portrayed lying around looking all come hither. I see muscles and action and being an active agent in their own realities. Not so much with the languishing on the grass naked as if they are too weakened to get up and grab either clothes or food.
And let's not forget the udderly disgusting Milk Gone Wild or the Lettuce Ladies, another campaign I could leaf alone. (yes, I will pay the pun tax.) Note that the Broccoli Boys have their very own tank tops, although there is the one shirtless guy with the sausages around his neck. Not gonna go there.
PETA, even when you let women keep their clothes on, you still sorta treat them like animals. No wait, worse than animals. After all, according to you, animals are people too - but women apparently are not. So we are treated to joyous imagery such as:

• A woman in fur coat coughing up a hairball.
• A woman on all fours drinking water from the toilet in her upscale apartment.
• A fur-clad woman using the cat’s litterbox. (I can't bring myself to go find those links, too much of your site makes my brain hurt)
• A man clubs a woman to death and then rips her fur coat off her body. (because what, meat is murder but killing women for their clothes is just plain old fun?)

And then there are the live protests. Like this triptych of naked women in coffins pretending to be dead. Or the naked woman on a BBQ grill - I believe those are sear marks. WTF?
Too subtle? Think the audience might not be getting the point? Try this.
As far as I can see, dear PETA, you are just another business that learned that sex sells and images of sexualized violence sell even better. Because tits and ass for a 'cause' is such a huge improvement over tits and ass for profit. Yeah, whatever.
I remain in search of a sane animal rights organization.
No love.

bigpinkelephant

peeppeep wrote: »

This open letter to PETA sums up perfectly why I think they are a detestable organisation:

Dear PETA, women are animals too...

Dear PETA,
What is it with the soft porny commercials and naked women? Are you truly so blinded by your desire to save furry critters with faces that you forget women are critters with faces too? Those women were even somewhat furry too, before you made them get all waxed and shaved so they could get nekkid for your tacky ad campaigns. (Apparently natural is good for sheep but not for girls.)
The women in your ads all too often appear to be the victims of some sort of strange fetishized sexualized violence. Naked, vulnerable, marked up like exotic animals, chained and caged. And yet, lovely. Thin, yet curvy. Beautiful, beaten and bound. Sometimes dead.
The gap between this and many a movie you can't see without mom and dad is skimpier than that piece of lettuce that you, PETA, think passes as clothes.
For a group that can work up a head of steam over a goldfish, you sure don't seem to get that women are people too. Seriously, the women of PETA (that sounds like a Playboy layout doesn't it?) are starved, shaved, waxed and laid out for someone's 'viewing pleasure' (surely not mine) like...what am I looking for...oh yeah, a piece of meat. Irony much?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is more of the same old PETA tripe. You have been exploiting naked women in what they say is an effort to stop the exploitation of animals for decades now. But someone sent me a link to this Alicia Silverstone video and asked me if I thought it would help animal rights.
Um, yeah, not so much.

First, the copy:

Sexy Hollywood star Alicia Silverstone bares all in PETA’s first-ever naked veggie testimonial PSA. Watch Alicia’s sexy video, directed by acclaimed director Dave Meyers, whose credits include videos for Britney Spears, OutKast, and Dave Mathews Band.

Very good! You got 'sexy' in both sentences! (and the headline, but who's counting?) Just in case the 'could be raped and left for dead' pseudo-glam shot of Alicia Silverstone that tops this page wasn't 'sexy enough' for your visitors to get. (I do so like the homage to the abused woman motif that that the fashion industry also loves so much. Abused animal=bad, abused woman=marketing. Sweet.)
I have to ask about this: "...PETA’s first-ever naked veggie testimonial PSA" though. If this is the first, what, then, are all of these:
Sophie Monk: naked
Kim Basinger: naked
Joanna Krupa: naked

Traci Bingham: naked and marked up like an old feminist poster - this makes my brain melt
Imoben Bailey: naked, not to mention shacked, lonely and beaten (your terms, not mine)
Doninique Swain (of Lolita 'fame') is naked in a schoolroom and you helpfully point out that she's your youngest naked celebrity. (not that you want to make people think of naked schoolgirls or anything but did you mention Lolita and that she the youngest...?)
Lamon Brewster: male, thus fully clothed (bonus message: hitting people is cool! "I usually let my fists do the talking for me...")
Dennis Rodman: naked

Steve-O: naked
In fairness, I did find those two naked men, and dozens more naked women, although neither of them are portrayed lying around looking all come hither. I see muscles and action and being an active agent in their own realities. Not so much with the languishing on the grass naked as if they are too weakened to get up and grab either clothes or food.
And let's not forget the udderly disgusting Milk Gone Wild or the Lettuce Ladies, another campaign I could leaf alone. (yes, I will pay the pun tax.) Note that the Broccoli Boys have their very own tank tops, although there is the one shirtless guy with the sausages around his neck. Not gonna go there.
PETA, even when you let women keep their clothes on, you still sorta treat them like animals. No wait, worse than animals. After all, according to you, animals are people too - but women apparently are not. So we are treated to joyous imagery such as:

• A woman in fur coat coughing up a hairball.
• A woman on all fours drinking water from the toilet in her upscale apartment.
• A fur-clad woman using the cat’s litterbox. (I can't bring myself to go find those links, too much of your site makes my brain hurt)
• A man clubs a woman to death and then rips her fur coat off her body. (because what, meat is murder but killing women for their clothes is just plain old fun?)

And then there are the live protests. Like this triptych of naked women in coffins pretending to be dead. Or the naked woman on a BBQ grill - I believe those are sear marks. WTF?
Too subtle? Think the audience might not be getting the point? Try this.
As far as I can see, dear PETA, you are just another business that learned that sex sells and images of sexualized violence sell even better. Because tits and ass for a 'cause' is such a huge improvement over tits and ass for profit. Yeah, whatever.
I remain in search of a sane animal rights organization.
No love.

Women can speak about how they feel and have choice in whether or not to star in a PETA campaign.
Animals cannot speak about how they feel and have no choice in whether or not to be skinned for fur, tortured for testing, or be electrocuted.

seamus

As someone said, the base ideals of PETA are sound. But they're a pack of muppets and they go about what they do, all wrong.

Ingrid Newkirk was quoted a couple of weeks back denouncing guide dogs as being cruel to the dog, making it work. This solidified her as a complete and utter fruitcake in my book.

I'm pretty sure that while most of them are actually dead serious about animal rights, they're completely detached from the reality of animals, and don't actually understand animals in the slightest. Treating animals with respect and rights is one thing. Treating them like humans is idiocy.

Gauge

seamus wrote: »

Ingrid Newkirk was quoted a couple of weeks back denouncing guide dogs as being cruel to the dog, making it work. This solidified her as a complete and utter fruitcake in my book.

You should read her will.

whitser

as someone who hunts and eats meat peta arent a crowd i see eye to eye with....but any organisastion that gets pammy anderson to strip off and lie on a fake fur rug will always have my admiration:D:D

kerrysgold

I agree with most of their common sense ideas i.e. against factory farming/fur/vivisection etc. Some of their ideas are quite extreme though (i.e. not keeping pets, I'm sure most dogs etc are quite happy being pampered) and maybe make people think that people who are trying to work for animal welfare are all extremists. Also the terrorism doesn't really paint a good picture for normal animal welfare people and if they are serious they should put the money they use on advertising etc. to practical use, like building rescue centers for unwanted animals etc.