which g36?

peter-pantslez

i want a g36 and im either thinking of getting the ASG one or the JG one.

so come on give me the pro and cons of each

looking for some advice on which to get any help appreciated!

Witcher

No need for pros/cons.

Get the JG one.

Best G36 by a bit I'd say.:)

NakedDex

It's not even a competition. The JG is probably the best G36 on the market, including high ends. I'd take a JG G36 over any other brand. Apart from value for money, it has one of the best builds and gearboxes available too. A Classic Army G36c, for example, is a little more than twice as expensive as it's JG counterpart but I don't know a sane person in this world who'd take the CA over it on any category (build, quality, reliability etc).

Simple answer. Get a JG.

peter-pantslez

thansk for that lads i was lean more towards the JG anyway, i just wanted to check

whydave

Get a JG

Sod'o swords

JG g36.
The ak of airsoft guns.

maldondo

NakedDex wrote: »

It's not even a competition. The JG is probably the best G36 on the market, including high ends. I'd take a JG G36 over any other brand. Apart from value for money, it has one of the best builds and gearboxes available too. A Classic Army G36c, for example, is a little more than twice as expensive as it's JG counterpart but I don't know a sane person in this world who'd take the CA over it on any category (build, quality, reliability etc).

Simple answer. Get a JG.

KWA???

NakedDex

JG's G36 is still better than KWA's and is €100 cheaper to boot. KWA claim their G36's are LiPo ready but the majority of them are not. They do make a LiPo ready version but it's rare and a good bit more expensive. Trust me, don't run a LiPo in a stock KWA unless you like the sound of a chewed up gearbox and the smell of burned contacts.

maldondo

KWA don`t actually claim their g36`s are lipo ready just their m4`s. The gearbox internals are basicly the same as the lipo ready m4`s. It`s not rare to get a good one although there have been some substandard ones imported but thats more likely to do with whoever is downgrading the fps, (they fire 400fps stock). I`ve put the guts of 50,000 through my one with a lipo, changed the spring last month and the gearbox is as good as new. For an extra 100 euro its money well spent and still cheaper than the C.A.

NakedDex

I'm not disputing that they're good. Far from, I was rather impressed with them but I've seen a lot of them chew themselves. Their plastics are a tad thicker, which I like but internally they're about the same as the JG. And with a couple of minor upgrades like a silicon hop rubber and a mosfet, they'll outrun the KWA without any issue. Personally, if I had the €260 or so cost of the KWA, I'd buy the JG and use the €100 saved to get a Guarder high speed motor, tightbore barrel, silicon hop and MOSFET. That combo would outgun just about any rifle you'll meet on a skirmish field and still leave you with change for a Toffee Nut Mocha with cream in Starbucks.

maldondo

True, with the upgrades its a fine gun, still can`t see it out running the KWA what with it being a ruddy Kango bb hose and all that!!!!

daz801

i thaught the asg g36 was a rebrand of jg

peter-pantslez

maldondo wrote: »

KWA???

the KWA one is a bit out of my price range to be honest

Rooky1

I bought a CA G36C as my 2nd ever AEG about 4 years ago!
It has never given me any problems at all.
I used as my main AEG for nearly 2 years without problems.
I sold it to a good friend of mine who is still using it as his main weapon and it is still not giving any problems.
Well worth every penny.

But if you are on a budget then go for the JG!
Decent quality and performance, but they all need to be downgraded.

Captain Chaos

That was 4 years ago when CA were at the top of their game, anything CA made in the last year is just muck internally. JG is far better than CA now. I don't know how my CA AUG A1 and G36K that I got a year ago are still going.

Rooky1

Not true at all!!

The only problems with CA are with there cheaper Sportsline range!

NakedDex

Correct. CA went to hell in a handbasket for reasons only known to them. Their QA got sloppy and their general materials choices became dreadful. Their prices and wonderful advertising machine however, still kept going apace. These days, CA is synonymous with poor quality finishes and self destructing gearboxes.

That said, I have a couple of CA G36's from back when they were good and I'd still rate the JG gearbox over the CA one. The finish on the CA however was better than the JG. But then, I did pay three times the price and had to put upgrades in it. If you've bought anything by CA in the last 18 months and it's still working with regular use in stock condition, consider it a miracle.
Their one redeeming feature was that they do good bodies, but lately even that's been slipping. Their plastics have gotten cheaper, and thinner. Metals have gotten weaker and show horrific mould lines etc.

If you're going to go high end, go with a decent brand like VFC, G&G, Star, TM etc.
If you're going to midrange, go with JG or KWA.
If you're on a budget, go with DBoys or Kalash.
If you're going to the skip, bring a CA....

...and that's coming from multiple CA owner

Rooky1

Well I can't comment on new generation CA aeg's!
If they have gone downhill then I think that is a loss to everyone.

Head_Hunter

NakedDex wrote: »

I'd buy the JG and use the €100 saved to get a Guarder high speed motor, tightbore barrel, silicon hop and MOSFET.

You won't get all that for €100.

Motor

Barrel

Silicone Bucking

MOSFET

Total = $133.97/ €105.36 EXCLUDING postage and VAT.

NakedDex

You can build a MOSFET for next to nothing. The actual transistor itself is less than a euro. Throw in some decent grade 16awg cable and you're up to about four euro.

The barrel you linked too is probably one of the most expensive you can get in that size. What's the matter with a KM tightbore that runs for about $30-35 each? Or a Guarder one that averages around $25-30.

The motor is the most expensive part, but then isn't that why a BMW M3 is more expensive than a BMW 318? It's a better motor (for the pedantic, I know it's an engine in the car, not a motor. Jeez, you people).

The mosfet you pick up in an electronics store here, the rest you can order online. A lightweight barrel, a small motor and a rubber hop aren't going to come to a lot in shipping really are they?

It's possible to get what I said for €100 quite easily, it's just a matter of shopping around. No need to be negative about it.

Head_Hunter

Links?

NakedDex

To which? I'm writing this on an iPhone so I can't make direct links, but, I not only priced, but bought all of those items (obviously bar the MOSFETs) on http://www.ehobbyasia.com at one stage or another. Given the last time I got a package of parts it was a motor, tightbore, two packs of XTM rail panels and a set of bearings (so heavier than the intended package above) shipped by courier overnight and given it only cost me €15 for that delivery charge, I doubt the week-long post could be much more expensive.

There's a little thing called "shopping around", everything can be found cheaper somewhere if you're willing to actually look.

Rhinocharge

daz801 wrote: »

i thaught the asg g36 was a rebrand of jg

It is. ASG package the item under their name.
Absolutely no difference.

Masada

you'd defo get that upgrade package for less than 100euro, infact you'd probably get a few more bits and pieces too.,

Head_Hunter

proove it with direct links.

Tigger

shopping around for hop up

weeder

as said before, JG and ASG are both the very same AEG

Head_Hunter

Tigger wrote: »

shopping around for hop up

Thats far more expensive than the place I linked :P.

Tigger

Head_Hunter wrote: »

Thats far more expensive than the place I linked :P.

you have to take shipping and taxes into account

kalkor

Head_Hunter wrote: »

You won't get all that for €100.

Motor

Barrel

Silicone Bucking

MOSFET

Total = $133.97/ €105.36 EXCLUDING postage and VAT.

doesnt need the motor / fits 9.6 mini no bother and it has a tight bore barrel stock

great gun

Masada

Head_Hunter wrote: »

proove it with direct links.

Who exactly would I need to "proove" it to? Your the only one questioning it.
I've done these specific upgrades on my own G36 and it didnt cost that much, That's proof enough for me.,

As regards the original topic,
Id personally recommend the JG G36, you can get a choice of 3-4 different variants and its fair bit cheaper than the others. you'll also have a few quid left over to do a few mods that will really improve the performance of it.

The CA one, i would avoid like the plague, My CA SL8 shared the same internals as the G36 and id steer well clear of them.

The KWA is a decent gun but not to the point where it justify's the extra money it costs, The Whole lipo thing too, is a sales tactic some use flog it but infact, its not actually "lipo ready".,

If your buying an ASG one, which is a JG as some said, be careful to get the right one since theres 3 different brand G36's from ASG as far as i know and the JG one is probably the only decent one.,

As with all the above guns, you'll play with it for a while and then wonder what you can do with it to get some more performance from it, its fir this reason i would buy the JG. after buying the gun and all the upgrades you'll have spent about the same as a bog standard KWA with nothing done to it.,

Tigger

kalkor wrote: »

doesnt need the motor / fits 9.6 mini no bother and it has a tight bore barrel stock

great gun

i agree all it needs is that hop up and a 9.6v battery

Beast ASI

Tigger wrote: »

you have to take shipping and taxes into account

Free shipping and your not gonna get taxed for a hop rubber.

Tigger

Beast ASI wrote: »

Free shipping and your not gonna get taxed for a hop rubber.

no free shipping from that link (well us only free shipping)

Head_Hunter

Tigger wrote: »

i agree all it needs is that hop up and a 9.6v battery

I have a JG G36c and I agree that a 9.6v firefox mini battery + Guarder hop-up rubber is all you need.
The new motor, barrel and MOSFET are overkill in this gun and will cost more than they are worth, given the stock quality of the gun.
The stock wiring is the best I've seen on any of my AEGs and I get 21rps with a fully charged battery using deans connectors.

Witcher

Head_Hunter wrote: »

I have a JG G36c and I agree that a 9.6v firefox mini battery + Guarder hop-up rubber is all you need.
The new motor, barrel and MOSFET are overkill in this gun and will cost more than they are worth, given the stock quality of the gun.
The stock wiring is the best I've seen on any of my AEGs and I get 21rps with a fully charged battery using deans connectors.

No upgrade is overkill in a gun. The motor will increase rof, the barrel will

make it more accurate and the mosfet will reduce the voltage hitting the

contacts and stop them burning out. They all have their advantages and

overall they make an already reliable gun much more reliable.

Head_Hunter

Blay wrote: »

No upgrade is overkill in a gun. The motor will increase rof, the barrel will

make it more accurate and the mosfet will reduce the voltage hitting the

contacts and stop them burning out. They all have their advantages and

overall they make an already reliable gun much more reliable.

I personally think the JG 36c is good enough as it is. Ever hear of "if it aint broke don't fix it"...

As for the trigger contacts burning out, that takes a very long time to happen with a standard mini-type battery and with a <1J spring. If you had a Lipo battery or a >1j spring, then a MOSFET is a necessary upgrade. Fair enough, the MOSFET will make the contacts last longer in a stock gun, but not enough to justify the hassle of making and installing one.

NakedDex

Ever heard of evolution?

Mosfets aren't just to allow higher voltages and save the trigger contacts, they also make the electrical system more efficient by using a gate voltage from the trigger of ~50mA and sending the rest direct to the motor instead of requiring a mechanical contact point to take 20-30A at a time. This results on a healthier electrical system and a greater power going to the motor, resulting in faster spool times and a higher rate of fire. Not a bad upgrade for any gun if you ask me.

Witcher

Head_Hunter wrote: »

I personally think the JG 36c is good enough as it is. Ever hear of "if it aint broke don't fix it"...

As for the trigger contacts burning out, that takes a very long time to happen with a standard mini-type battery and with a <1J spring. If you had a Lipo battery or a >1j spring, then a MOSFET is a necessary upgrade. Fair enough, the MOSFET will make the contacts last longer in a stock gun, but not enough to justify the hassle of making and installing one.

I had it happen to me after 20,000 rounds on an 8.4v which vtec will confirm..since he very

kindly fixed it for free

But fair enough..everyones entitled to their opinion.:)

Head_Hunter

Blay wrote: »

I had it happen to me after 20,000 rounds on an 8.4v which vtec will confirm..since he very

kindly fixed it for free

But fair enough..everyones entitled to their opinion.:)

Really, thats unlucky, I honestly expected them to last a hell of a lot longer than that :eek:.

NakedDex wrote:

Mosfets aren't just to allow higher voltages and save the trigger contacts, they also make the electrical system more efficient by using a gate voltage from the trigger of ~50mA and sending the rest direct to the motor instead of requiring a mechanical contact point to take 20-30A at a time. This results on a healthier electrical system and a greater power going to the motor, resulting in faster spool times and a higher rate of fire. Not a bad upgrade for any gun if you ask me.

I know that, I have one on my P90 and noticed a slight increase in ROF. I was pointing out the main advantage of a MOSFET, which is reduced wear on the trigger contacts. The reason I installed one on my P90 is that I use Lipo batteries in it and the arcing at the trigger contacs concerned me, the MOSFET fixed that problem . I didn't intall the MOSFET for the gain in ROF, there are cheaper and easier ways of increasing ROF.

Enough of this, back on topic. Apologies to the OP.

NakedDex

Head_Hunter wrote: »

there are cheaper and easier ways of increasing ROF.

Cheaper than a fivers worth of components and ten minutes soldering?

kdouglas

mosfet is definitely a recommended upgrade, I ran my p90 on a 9.6v battery for 6 months without a mosfet and the contacts are quite pitted now because of this.

Head_Hunter

Ya, swap those crappy tamiya connectors for Deans, sand+ clean the trigger contacts and remove the fuse. This gave me a 150-200rpm increase.

NakedDex

Wait, what? Sand the contacts? Sand them? As in with sanding paper? The contacts?

/me wanders off shaking head...

Head_Hunter

NakedDex wrote: »

Wait, what? Sand the contacts? Sand them? As in with sanding paper? The contacts?

/me wanders off shaking head...

Ya, with very high grit sand paper, just enough to get the tarnish off them.
It does make a difference, they are still shiny 2 months later. Suit yourself if you don't wanna give it a try. I would only ever do it once though.

Beast ASI

Can I use a beltsander for sanding the contacts? Or would 80grit sandpaper do ok? Would be a lot quicker just to use my belt sander though....

Rew

Lads no need to be so dissmissive. Cleaning the contacts is a perfectly valid thing to do....