Should we be supporting and paying for this crap?

walshb

I will probably get this fight in, though I know I shouldn't be supporting this crap; and it is crap; but I guess I'll just be too curious.

I think DLH will win. He should, considering Manny is at least two weights below Oscar
size wise.

Bottom line is that Manny has nothing to lose here; he didn't take the fight, and some other schmuk would step up and make an easy pay day. Oscar is getting money for 'jam.'

It's a disgrace really. Oscar knows he cannot be in any way physically hurt or destroyed.

If Oscar was stepping up to meet Dawson or Pavlik, then I might afford him respect and afford the fight respect.

Big Ears

It's a circus fight, an interesting one in a way but a circus fight none the less and I don't really approve of it tbh. Should we be support it ?, no, should we pay for it ?, no

What's even more a disgrace is Sky's ppv, yes you get more fights at a cheaper cost than the American version, but the only thing that's making it ppv is because Khan v Fagan is on the bill, or more specifically Amir Khan is on the bill.

Amazingly he's headlining too, and was due to do so even before Nicky Cook's WBO title defence was called off and Maccarinelli v Banks was called off(although Enzo will still figh for the title).

Sky's ppv(maybe won't include all these fights but they're on the cards Sky are showing):

Oscar De La Hoya v Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez v Sergio Medina-WBO Super-Bantamweight title
Victor Ortiz v Jeffrey Resto
+ prospects Danny Garcia and Daniel Jacobs.

Amir Khan v Oisín Fagan
Enzo Maccarinelli v TBA(probably Herbie Hide for WBO Cruiserweight title)
Anthony Small v TBA
Audley Harrison v Martin Rogan
Steve Bendall v Paul Smith-English Middleweight title
+prospects Derek Chisora and Jamie Cox(not likely to make the ppv)

Not worth €23 imo, the main event while intriguing probably won't be that great a fight. Medina's okay but will be totally outclassed and stopped by Lopez.
Resto was never that great and has been pretty inactive the last few years, Ortiz should make easy work of him.

Fagan should be an easy comeback for Khan, there's only interest in this because Khan got blown away last time out.
Maccarinelli doesn't even have an opponent named......., if it turns out to be Hide it will be a good opponent for the short notice but it should be an easy night for Enzo as power is the only thing Hide has left and he's still as chinny as he always was.
Anthony Small has no opponent yet, 4 days out
Audley is terrible to watch but if he performs to his abilities he'll easily beat Rogan. He won't perform to his abilities so it's a quesrion of whether he'll do just enough or if he'll actually be inactive enough to let Rogan outwork him for a PTS win.
Bendall and Smith are both very average, only good enough to be the supporting fight on Friday Fight Night(same can be said for Harrison v Rogan and Small v TBA).

However on the same night for free(well it's available to most of us), ITV 1/ITV4(the undercard is on ITV 4, the main event on 1)

Carl Froch v Jean Pascal-WBC Super-Middleweight title
Wayne Elcock v Jason McKay-British Middleweight title
Tyrone Wright v Paul David-English Super-Middleweight title
Danny McIntosh v Rod Anderton-English Light-Heavyweight title
Martin Gethin v Scott Lawton-English Lightweight title

Gethin v Lawton is a late replacement for John O'Donnell v Young Muttley as Muttley pulled out. O'Donnel may still be on the card.

The names may not be as big but I reckon that'll provide a much better nights boxing.

Hangballlouie

Big Ears wrote: »

The names may not be as big but I reckon that'll provide a much better nights boxing.

Totally agree, but I am looking forward to seeing how Fagan gets on with Khan. He is as tough as nails and it should be a good fight.

Big Ears

hangballlouie wrote: »

Totally agree, but I am looking forward to seeing how Fagan gets on with Khan. He is as tough as nails and it should be a good fight.

I think it will be like the Kristjansen(except Fagan's more open) fight, Fagan's tough as they come but he's got no chance and it's just a matter of how long it takes Khan to wear him down/the referee to jump in whenever Fagan's a little hurt.

Hangballlouie

I agree he will lose but hope he goes the distance so it will wet the appetite for a Murray/Fagan battle in the future.

On a side note Bigears, how good do you think Fagan would have been if he had boxed from childhood?

conceited

:pac: is a 130lb fighter since 2005 and he is now moving up to 147 lb that is a joke. Oscar is a 155lb fighter and is only moving down for the weight in and will pop back up to 155-59lb on fight night. So now :pac: is fighting a guy 28lb heavier than him.
I hope :pac: wins........So does all of asia !
goodluck :pac:

Big Ears

hangballlouie wrote: »

I agree he will lose but hope he goes the distance so it will wet the appetite for a Murray/Fagan battle in the future.

On a side note Bigears, how good do you think Fagan would have been if he had boxed from childhood?

I agree, I'd like to see Fagan last the distance as the loss wouldn't take too much from a Murray v Fagan fight in the future. Although if he gets stopped while putting up a very good performance there'll be no shame in it.

It's impossible to tell, we can only speculate and things like quality of trainers etc would come into play so who knows.

dlofnep

What weight is the fight at actually?

Hangballlouie

dlofnep wrote: »

What weight is the fight at actually?

147, although DLH will be much bigger come the fight.

joepenguin

I agree we shouldnt be supporting this fight. Have to say im getting the ppv because of the combo. wouldnt pay for either one on its own.
DLH is trying to become p4p king. Is he trying to set up a return with Mayweather? I think the only reason the last one was called off was because the complete lack of interest and they agreed DLH would build himself back up and Mayweather would become "unavailable".
I hope Manny wins.

It would be great if Fagan goes the distance. Hopefully he doesnt get tagged too much or else the bout will be stopped. Again routing for the underdog on this one.

Was really looking forward to seeing Enzo-Banks. Have never seen Hide but looks like a good replacement at this stage, and if he is powerful we'l be keeping a close eye on it.

Juanma vs Median... glad to see that on the bill. He took out ponce de leon in devestating fashion.

Harrison vs Rogan. Routing for Rogan for obvious reasons.

The card on ITV is probably better and is for free. So if it wasnt for the 2 for the price of one offer I know what Id be tuning into. Does anyone know a way of sky plussing itv? dont want to do it the other way around.

dlofnep

hangballlouie wrote: »

147, although DLH will be much bigger come the fight.

Well yeah.. He will probably cut 10lbs in water weight.. Just wanted to know what the fight is actually at.

To be honest, I have serious doubts that DLH will even make 147 at the weigh-ins.. If he makes it under 150, I'll be extremely suprised. Isn't there a clause for him to make weight iirc?

Big Ears

dlofnep wrote: »

Well yeah.. He will probably cut 10lbs in water weight.. Just wanted to know what the fight is actually at.

To be honest, I have serious doubts that DLH will even make 147 at the weigh-ins.. If he makes it under 150, I'll be extremely suprised. Isn't there a clause for him to make weight iirc?

$3 million a lb...........Hoya's gonna make weight you can be sure of that. I doubt the commission will allow anything great than 150 lb anyway.

dlofnep

Hopefully.. But I see pac actually eating burgers trying to increase his mass, while DLH will be cutting to make weight. He's obviously going to be the much bigger fighter at fight time.

Pighead

How come De La Hoya's odds aren't that short if all you lads reckon he's going to win easy? Have the bookies got this one wrong?

dlofnep

Yes, they have it totally wrong. DLH is the clear favourite.

Pac hits hard, and bookies don't like giving high odds against hard hitters incase of someone getting caught when they should get caught by a punch.

walshb

One thing Oscar is, and that's a consummate pro. He will make weight, you
can be sure of that!

joepenguin

Francisco Alverez has stepped in to fight Enzo for the wbo title
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=425101&cat=boxer he's 11-1 and is ranked 15th by the WBO...at light heavy! all other fights of his were at cruiser or a pound or two above.
Should this go ahead as a title fight? If we use boxrec as a commonground we have the world #10 at cruiser fighting the world #176 at light heavy.

Titles aside I think its better for Enzo to take a warm up first as the last 2 dates fell through for him. If he took a big name opponent now he would be doing himself out of a future pay day. So fight Alvarez now then Banks or another top contender early next year.

Also note that eastsideboxing.com have him down to face Francisco Palacios.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=18061&more=1


warrens site says alverez
http://www.frankwarren.tv/drill/News/Articles/2008/12/04/macca-gets-alvarez123.html

Big Ears

Palacios would have been a very good(almost exceptional) opponent on such notice. Alverez on the other hand is what you expect. If they WBO do sanction this fight I hope it's for the interim title rather than the full thing.

Maccarinelli is only their #3 at Cruiserweight(with Jonathon Banks #1 and Alexander Alexeev). Alvarez is #15 at Light-Heavyweight.

Even in the days of baubles and trinkets this fight isn't deserving of a full 'World title fight'. Then again neither was Enzo v Bobby Gunn.

Edit:Okay since the British side is a Frank Warren card the fights that are actually happening aren't what was advertised. Warren likes to get people to buy tickets on the assuption that certain things will happen and they then of course don't.

First of all obviously Enzo is fighting Francisco Alvarez, and as far as I'm aware that's still for the WBO Cruiserweight title.

Anthony Small isn't fighting a 12 rounder from the WBA Inter-Continetal belt anymore. Instead he's facing Steve Conway in an 8 rounder.
Easy win for Small in a stay busy fight.

Derek Chisora's opponent is Matthew Ellis
Liam Walsh fights Youssef Al Hamidi(very tough fight for him, Hamidi could get jobbed here)
Michael Walsh pointlessly rematches Delroy Spencer

and finally it appears the Steven Bendall v Paul Smith fight may be off, that would be the second time this rematch was 'cancelled'.

akindoc

This is a mismatch guys and Oscar will beat Pacman very easily.

We all know about the size advantage but lets just state it again clearly. Oscar has 4 inches height and 7 inches reach advantages over Pacman. He has the clear strength and power advantage. He has taken FLUSH punches from the likes of Mosley, Vargas, Trinidad. A Pacquiao punch will feel like being hit by a pillow compared to how hard they hit Oscar. And Oscar WALKED THROUGH THEIR PUNCHES.

Oscar is a much better boxer than Pacquaio and could quite easily outbox him for 12 rounds. Especially given the 4 inch height and 7 inch reach advantage.

Don't worry about Oscar throwing this fight. This is a fight he has to win for his legacy and also his reputation. Not only that but Pacquaio is the "Mexicutioner" and Oscar simply cannot let him win this.

Pacquaio doesn't even have that much of a speed advantage in the fight either guys.

People think Pacman will work Oscar over but it's just not going to happen. You think Oscar is going to be unable to keep the little Pacman off him? You think Pacman won't get hit by Oscar? He hasn't got much of a defence, his offense is his defense in many ways so he will get hit and he will get hit flush. And if Juan Manuel Marquez is hurting you with single shots, DLH will really really hurt you.

I will be surprised if Pacman is still in a vertical position after 6 rounds, this really is as big a mismatch as they come and I am loading up on betfair as the odds on Oscar are great! 1.58 at the time of posting... a bargain!

Big Ears

Further change to the bill, firstly Enzo's Light-Heavyweight opponent failed to make the Cruiserweight limit By a quarter of a lb. After shedding the weight he went for his medical and failed it with high blood pressure. Enzo now won't be fighting for the WBO Cruiserweight title and Warren is desperately looking for an opponent to come in and face him. God knows how bad they'll be considering the last guy.
He was gotten with basically a weeks notice, a new opponent will be a 36 hour notice job.

Khan came in 3oz, so stripped off his underwear to make weight.

Audley was late showing up for the weigh-in aswell.
Everything else appears to be in order, but Bendall v Smith is definitely off.

Boxrec have Souleymane M'Baye fighting Barrie Jones on the card aswell, possibly a desperation move by Warren to save the quality of the card.

Khan v Fagan
Enzo maybe fighting a journeyman
Audley Harrison v Martin Rogan
Anthony Small v Steve Conway
Souleymane M'Baye v Barrie Jones
Derek Chisora v Matthew Ellis
Jamie Cox v Erne Smith
Liam Walsh v Yousseff Al Hamidi
Michael Walsh v Delroy Spencer
Ryan Walsh v Abdul Mghrbel

What a **** card, and none of those fights are good enough to headline Friday Fight Night.
Why the hell is Cox still being mollycoddled aswell ?

cowzerp

Big Ears wrote: »

Khan v Fagan
Enzo maybe fighting a journeyman
Audley Harrison v Martin Rogan
Anthony Small v Steve Conway
Souleymane M'Baye v Barrie Jones
Derek Chisora v Matthew Ellis
Jamie Cox v Erne Smith
Liam Walsh v Yousseff Al Hamidi
Michael Walsh v Delroy Spencer
Ryan Walsh v Abdul Mghrbel

What a **** card, and none of those fights are good enough to headline Friday Fight Night.
Why the hell is Cox still being mollycoddled aswell ?

British card is muck alright..im still excited about the circus fight though, and although i firmly believe ODLH will ko manny, i would not be suprised if manny done the business as he is awsome-thats why im interested really.

Running Bing

Since boxing began there has always been fights like this with a bigger guy V a smaller guy.


I dont see what the problem is, it makes sense for Manny as ODLH is a legend of the sport (like him or not)and its a chance to get a major scalp plus a huge pay day. It makes sense for Oscar as he will rake it in and he has quite a good chance of beating the p4p no.1 and it makes sense for the fans because, lets face it, we all want to see it.


I give Manny a much bigger chance than a lot on here as well. Manny is the superior boxer in every way save for size and strength...Manny can take a punch and hits hard and his relentless aggression will be a major issue for Oscar.


Whatever happens, I dont think its as one sided as is being made out and the bookies odds would seem to suggest it...say what you like but they are not mugs, its their business and they know what they are doing.

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote: »

British card is muck alright..im still excited about the circus fight though, and although i firmly believe ODLH will ko manny, i would not be suprised if manny done the business as he is awsome-thats why im interested really.

Enzo's fighting Matthew Ellis now http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=15084&cat=boxer. That's a pointless fight for Maccarinelli and leaves Derek Chisora(who might have learned something from Ellis) without a bout.

Frank will probably have a word with Enzo and tell him to avoid putting this guy away in one, make it last 2/3 rounds.

Sky got rid of Warren because of his horrible mismatches and always failing to deliver. Now they've taken him back and done it with having Amir Khan on ppv. Together they'll fail even worse than he original Sky-Warren partnership, which tbh do have success for quite a few years until Warren got really stingy.

moneyman

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Golden bollocks to win by KO in the 11th

Come on Pacman!!!

Just curious, why do most people dislike DLH? I'm no expert, but I go absolutely mental when there's a big fight. I watch all the 24/7s and basically get so excited I'm like a child. From what I've seen, DLH seems to be a genuinely nice guy. None of that arrogance that most boxers have (which I don't mind).

Despite that, come on Manny is right! I've got some money riding on him, as long as he KOs DLH from round 4-12 I'm a winner! Unfortunately, I think DLH will KO Manny.

conceited

Oscar won't ko manny and manny won't ko oscar thats fairly certain as far as I'm concered.
Oscar is a gentleman no doubt about it and a great fighter who fought everyone.
The 24/7 series is for the people to buy the fight on ppv . It's pure hype ! I predict manny to win on a decision . Enjoy the fight.

cowzerp

moneyman wrote: »

Just curious, why do most people dislike DLH? I'm no expert, but I go absolutely mental when there's a big fight. I watch all the 24/7s and basically get so excited I'm like a child. From what I've seen, DLH seems to be a genuinely nice guy. None of that arrogance that most boxers have (which I don't mind).

Despite that, come on Manny is right! I've got some money riding on him, as long as he KOs DLH from round 4-12 I'm a winner! Unfortunately, I think DLH will KO Manny.

Dela hoya is probably the most loved boxer on the planet, now that he's a promoter too people will always have complaints about him, he's putting on big fights but a lot of them are circus type fights (the casual fans want this anyway) some of the die hard fans dont like this-i personally like them now and again, there fantasy type fights that people talk about but never usually happen!

De la hoya is a nice guy and is well loved throughout the boxing world..

dardoz

Well loved he may be, but this fight alone has made me lose all respect for him. If any commentator even suggests that this puts Oscar near the top of the p4p rankings after he wins this joke of a fight they should be fired.

walshb

I'm a bit like Paul, in the sense that, every now and then I like a mega fight.
This to me is HYPED and MORE HYPED; but is so very far from a real deal
mega fight. Lets not make any mistake here. It sounds like a big fight; but ultimately it is a case of a FADED and JADED over the hill 130-135-140 legend, fighting a 112-118-126 at best great fighter.

I have bought it and I think we are in for a nice easy and cosy staged fight; with neither man really hurting or wantin to hurt the other. Should Oscar 'accidentally' let fly and connect; them Manny should be KO'd.

BTW, did the weigh in happen. I tried to loo for details last night:rolleyes:

conceited

De La Hoya 145 pounds
Pacquiao 142

walshb

Thanks mate. Wow, Oscar I thought would have done a Floyd, and came in right on the button. Did he maybe over-exert his efforts to attain the weight.
That to me is a bit 'unprofessional' and I would have been ensuring my man to be right on the button. Boxing is so so exact and nothing should be left to chance. Interesting....
Plus, Roach himslef said he 'didn't know why Oscar had come in so low,' and that
he 'wasn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth.' This is coming from
a very experienced and knowledgeable man!

I'm not the least bit surprised with Manny. During the 24/7 episodes he was
always weighing between 140-142. If ever you needed proof of a mismatch, this is
the evidence. Manny weighing 6 lbs under the limit whilst probably trying his best to come in very very close