Shell Ejecting Glock.,

Masada

we've already seen artwork of this gun but now heres some video of it in action., im defo interested in one of these babys! and im hoping to beat dex to it too., .,

http://www.airsoft-news.eu/news.php

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUsIJSiRoM8

NakedDex

There's been video for about a month now, they've trimmed the range down a bit too. I hope they've sorted out the jamming issue and wild shell deflection. Regardless, I've had two on pre-order watch with Shiva since they were announced a few months back along with a pair of spare mags and a bunch of spare shells when they release them.

ep1k-w1n

wud ye two ever just fúck and get it out of your system?:D

o1s1n

ep1k-w1n wrote: »

wud ye two ever just fúck and get it out of your system?:D

Banned.

I'll review this when I get home from work.

Stercus Accidit

ep1k-fa1L

TheDoc

I have to say that did avtually make me burst out loud laughing haha

Regarding the glock...meh could they not have done it with an m9 ....

Hivemind187

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

I have to say that did avtually make me burst out loud laughing haha

Regarding the glock...meh could they not have done it with an m9 ....

Heathen.

Masada

ep1k-fa1L wrote: »

wud ye two ever just fúck and get it out of your system?:D

Nuked with a "BOOM Head shot!"


anyway, more on topic, Dex, heard anything about the chrono readings on it?

its a smart design since there wouldn't really be any cool down effect,.,

Captain Chaos

Just pictured a Glock 18 version with a 30 round extended mag, shells everywhere, just a guess at the capacity I'd say it will be close to the RS

iceage

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

ep1k-fa1L

Very funny, like it a lot!!!!!


Imagine havin to pick all those up.........

kdouglas

Nice collectors piece, but entirely impractical for a skirmish, unless you have the money to not be bothered about picking up shells.

Stercus Accidit

There will be cool down wont there?

Its a standard gas reservoir in the mag below 6-7 shells, the shells only hold a bb and pop out.

The RS has approx. twice the capacity this will have, if its the same shell glock we were on about a month or so ago.

Captain Chaos

I thought the gas is stored in the shell, no?

Stercus Accidit

No, in the base of the mag, the shell is AFAIK just a hollow cylinder.

NakedDex

No they're making the entirely sensible move of not having the shells as mini gas tanks, a lá the Cassiopaeia system where 5 shells will set you back forty smackers plus shipping and taxes.
The shells are closer to that of the Maruzen shotguns or Kar98 in that they're nothing more than a carrier for the round. This also makes sense for reasons beyond economy. Reliability of the miniaturised tanks in other shell systems is in question due to how precise and minute everything must be. Also, given that these shells will not only eject, but get thrown some distance, probably onto a hard surface, having a complicated, expensive and heavy (relatively) shell wouldn't last long.
Also, this Glock is the 21, not the 17, so the rounds will be .45ACP, not 9mm Para. That's the main reason for the reduced capacity and slightly oversized looks (compared to the G17) in places like the breach. The gas tank would obviously explain the rest. It does hold more than 6 or 7 shells, but that's all it comes with. They'll be available seperately as spares.
I haven't read anything on their chrono results yet, though being a Maruzen pistol I'd put money on .92J as every pistol they seem to do comes in at that rating. Being 8mm though, their only previous form that I've had experience with is the love-it-or-loathe-it FN 5-7 which hasn't got a great record but does hit about .9J on green. Maruzen, though, are gas system experts so I'm sure they've ironed out the bugs by now.

Captain Chaos

All that for just 6 or 7 shots, better off with a revolver. Nice idea though and it does look cool in action.

NakedDex

It can hold more, it just will be packaged with 6 or 7 rounds. Spares will be available seperately.

I didn't realise I left that out in my last post. Edited.

Frank the Manc

i wouldnt say she'll hold a whole more, its a single stack mag so youre realistically talking about maybe 9 or 10 shots.

whilst i love most things gun, i dont think id actually like to have this one, id much rather a metal slide 8mil version of a KSC glock 17, id imagine the novelty earing off quite quickly.

they should have made the slide metal and the shells plastic for it so you could have at least had the option of skirmishing it.

for the price of two of these you could damn near get yourself a real Glock.

NakedDex

Given the real one holds just 13, I'd be pretty ok with 10 rounds. It's entirely feasible to get even 11 or 12 rounds in there given the tank can be made taller than deep since the shells don't have the length of a slug to also take up room.
8mm isn't really practical for airsoft pistols, it's rarely proven useful in anything but plinking, but definitely not skirmishing. I reckon this was made as a showpiece or for prop use as with their M1 Garand. I know I'm buying them for use as props. Plastic shells or not, I don't think anyone would skirmish these. Even if the shells were a tenner for thirty and readily available, that's too expensive to skirmish. These are a niche prop item.
I'm not sure where you got the RS Glock price comparison, but the announced price a month or two back was about €140. Unless you're withholding info we don't have?

hoplite

Sub €200 and I'm interested.

Frank the Manc

id be very surprised if they retailed at that price, all in.
the figure i heard bandied about a couple of months ago was circa USD$250,
i guess time will tell.

an 8mil pistol can most certainly be an effectice skirmish gun, i played a game where a lad with a single action 8mil revolver pinned down 3 lads with aegs.

no real difference than using an 8mil pump, bar the lack of spread & increased accuracy.

its a simple matter of makin your shots count, much like hunting with a single barrel shotgun, youll always hit your mark cos youre rarely goin to get a second chance.

Masada

but of course, its not gonna have nearly as good range as using 6mm BBs.,

NakedDex

What I mean is most forays into 8mm semi auto pistols have had too many flaws to raise it's usefulness above that of 6mm. Take Maruzens own FN 5-7, available in both 6mm and 8mm, the 8mm version has a number of flaws that the 6mm version doesn't have despite the only difference between them being the larger ammo. Single and pump action devices, as well as revolvers, are more suited to 8mm than semi/full auto devices.
Being 8mm doesn't have anything to do with keeping heads down. Nor does being an SA revolver. I've held down three or four lads for half a game using an empty M203 and a dead claymore so it more depends on the players visible confidence to others.

Frank the Manc

vtec wrote: »

but of course, its not gonna have nearly as good range as using 6mm BBs.,

true but at pistol ranges i dont think that would be too important, its like everything its how you use it that matters.

NakedDex wrote: »

What I mean is most forays into 8mm semi auto pistols have had too many flaws to raise it's usefulness above that of 6mm. Take Maruzens own FN 5-7, available in both 6mm and 8mm, the 8mm version has a number of flaws that the 6mm version doesn't have despite the only difference between them being the larger ammo. Single and pump action devices, as well as revolvers, are more suited to 8mm than semi/full auto devices.
Being 8mm doesn't have anything to do with keeping heads down. Nor does being an SA revolver. I've held down three or four lads for half a game using an empty M203 and a dead claymore so it more depends on the players visible confidence to others.

are you telling me not one lad out of 3 or 4 wouldnt take the chance and draw fire while the others flanked or covered......i wouldnt like to have them lads on my team goin up against a SAW or two.
i couldnt imagine spending half a game in a ditch afraid to move cos a lad looks like he has a loaded 203 & claymore, id rather be shot trying even if there was no re-gens.

in the game i was referring to the lad with the 8mil was actually taking shots from good cover from an elevated position and they other boys couldnt advance.

i cant see why 8mil wouldnt suit semi-autos, its just a scaled up version of a 6mil action, that said iv had no experience of any 8mil semis so i cant speak intelligently on the subject, but from an engineering point of view theres no reason why they should function reliably with the right amount of R&D ploughed into it.

whydave

Frank the Manc wrote: »

id rather be shot trying even if there was no re-gens.

the sign of a true player !!


sorry off topic

NakedDex

As strange as it sounds, it's exactly how it happened. I expended all my primary and sidearm ammo and was left with just that empty m203, a non responsive claymore and the noise of dry firing. Worked though.
I'm not sure why 8mm proves such a problem myself, I would have assumed, as you did, that it was a matter of scaling up but there's been few reliables so far. Especially by comparison to 6mm success.

Frank the Manc

yeah youd think that alright, the M1 & M2s are relaible enought though arent they, havnt heard anything re: the MP40, you might be able to she some light on that, are they a problematic gun?

NakedDex

It's more a problem with the pistols than the rifles. The only problems I've heard with the rifles were cool down happening more rapidly than you'd expect. I heard remarks about being fussy with bb size/brand but I've seen no proof to back them up so I'd be sceptical.