baby p in ireland

mikeala

just reading the paper alan shatter reckons a baby p case will happen in ireland as the dust is growing on files on the shelves in socialworkers offices any opionions on that:(

philologos

Hopefully not, but I hope the government are going to provide us with the needs to deal with such a problem should it arise before death has to be involved.

Biggins

I hope not.

mikeala

wonder do the socialworkers get to read the files at all is there kids out there in danger doesent bare thinking about

nobodythere

yuck, baby pee.

Terry

mikeala wrote: »

just reading the paper alan shatter reckons a baby p case will happen in ireland as the dust is growing on files on the shelves in socialworkers offices any opionions on that:(

Do you have an opinion?

Dudess

Wow... people hope not? That's astounding stuff!

Well I'd presume the child protection model here is pretty similar to that of the UK, so yes... there could very well be a Baby P. I can't see why not. With such a sea of bureaucracy to contend with and a "box-ticking" culture, it doesn't seem particularly unlikely...

mikeala

grasshopa wrote: »

yuck, baby pee.

maybe you havent read the papers but baby p is a little 17 month old boy that was murdered and tortured by his mother and her boyfriend and the lodger they broke his back cut his nails off his fingers and altogether the wee lad had 50 injuries and all this time social services were suppose to be keeping an eye out for him but he was been brutally looked after so sad

Toto Wolfcastle

The kind of stuff that already goes on behind closed doors makes it entirely possible that this will happen, or that it has already happened.

I've heard about cases in the last few months that are just terrible. To look at those involved you'd never know.

I didn't think that anyone was naive enough to think that this will not, or has not, happened in Ireland.

mikeala

janeybabe wrote: »

The kind of stuff that already goes on behind closed doors makes it entirely possible that this will happen, or that it has already happened.

I've heard about cases in the last few months that are just terrible. To look at those involved you'd never know.

I didn't think that anyone was naive enough to think that this will not, or has not, happened in Ireland.

hi janey babe just interested in where i would search here to find out about irish kids everything in the courts is in camera and cases are hibben from public so where should i look thanks janey babe

Toto Wolfcastle

mikeala wrote: »

hi janey babe just interested in where i would search here to find out about irish kids everything in the courts is in camera and cases are hibben from public so where should i look thanks janey babe

I have no idea. I know nothing of what goes through the courts.

mikeala

janeybabe wrote: »

I have no idea. I know nothing of what goes through the courts.

the only case i heard aout was sean ross the poor littlle mite that fell into the pond what have you heard thanks janeybabe

Mossy Monk

mikeala wrote: »

maybe you havent read the papers but baby p is a little 17 month old boy that was murdered and tortured by his mother and her boyfriend and the lodger they broke his back cut his nails off his fingers and altogether the wee lad had 50 injuries and all this time social services were suppose to be keeping an eye out for him but he was been brutally looked after so sad

I do believe they said baby pee. Not baby p.

Toto Wolfcastle

mikeala wrote: »

the only case i heard aout was sean ross the poor littlle mite that fell into the pond what have you heard thanks janeybabe

Anything I have heard was told to me in confidence, and I am only privy to any information that I need to know.

Latchy

As long as people dont turn a blind eye and not adopt a ' I didnt want to get involed ' mentality .If we care enough to do something about it then the chances of it happening become less. In baby P's case it was the system that let him down .System = people who were best placed to do something but didnt .

mikeala

janeybabe wrote: »

Anything I have heard was told to me in confidence, and I am only privy to any information that I need to know.

ok no worries thanks

mikeala

latchyco wrote: »

As long as people dont turn a blind eye and not adopt a ' I didnt want to get involed ' mentality .If we care enough to do something about it then the chances of it happening become less. In baby P's case it was the system that let him down .System = people who were best placed to do something but didnt .

yes i am 100% behind you on that but the irish social workers are leaving the files to gather dust on the shelves according these files are there for a reason these kids could be in danger and according to alan shatter the files are gathering dust help

mikeala

latchyco wrote: »

As long as people dont turn a blind eye and not adopt a ' I didnt want to get involed ' mentality .If we care enough to do something about it then the chances of it happening become less. In baby P's case it was the system that let him down .System = people who were best placed to do something but didnt .

i totally agree with you but how can the socialworkers turn a blind eye to the files also did any of you watch primetime afew months ago the foster mothers trying to warn socialworkers what was happening the little girl every time she visited her parents its so sad the social workers wouldnt get involved so so so wrong

javaboy

Are you a journalist mikeala?

Caoimhín

In Athlone i bet.

mikeala

javaboy wrote: »

Are you a journalist mikeala?

no im not just keep up to date with whats going on with kids just soft at heart when i read these cases but the social workers keep every thing so hush hush emily logan is right that people shpuld know what goes on in the courts

Caoimhín

javaboy wrote: »

Are you a journalist mikeala?

If he is, he must write for the News of the World based on his grasp of the English language.

Dudess

Ah come on now Caoimhin... mikeala is surely a she!

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Dudess wrote: »

Ah come on now Caoimhin... mikeala is surely a she!

Unless he uh...spelt his own name wrong.

mikeala

Dudess wrote: »

Ah come on now Caoimhin... mikeala is surely a she!

i am all female and just adore kids thats all

Latchy

mikeala wrote: »

yes i am 100% behind you on that but the irish social workers are leaving the files to gather dust on the shelves according these files are there for a reason these kids could be in danger and according to alan shatter the files are gathering dust help

mikeala wrote: »

i totally agree with you but how can the socialworkers turn a blind eye to the files also did any of you watch primetime afew months ago the foster mothers trying to warn socialworkers what was happening the little girl every time she visited her parents its so sad the social workers wouldnt get involved so so so wrong

If the files are gathering dust then there might be ( hopfully not ) the next serious child abuse case to happen .Somebody mentioned the ticking box system were social workes are restricted to what they can and cannot do ie , what scales and % do you feel baby --- is at risk ? That needs to be seriously looked at .In the uk after the victoria child abuse case it was said lessons were learned but far from it, they obiously hadnt .But as Gorden brown said himself last week ( after baby p case ) they will review the whole child protection welfare system for the better ........hopefully .

mikeala

latchyco wrote: »

If the files are gathering dust then there might be ( hopfully not ) the next serious child abuse case to happen .Somebody mentioned the ticking box system were social workes are restricted to what they can and cannot do ie , what scales and % do you feel baby --- is at risk ? That needs to be seriously looked at .In the uk after the victoria child abuse case it was said lessons were learned but far from it, they obiously hadnt .But as Gorden brown said himself last week ( after baby p case ) they will review the whole child protection welfare system for the better ........hopefully .

thats good news latchyco if they do it:pac:

mikeala

Caoimhín wrote: »

In Athlone i bet.

actually im not from athlone

mikeala

janeybabe wrote: »

The kind of stuff that already goes on behind closed doors makes it entirely possible that this will happen, or that it has already happened.

I've heard about cases in the last few months that are just terrible. To look at those involved you'd never know.

I didn't think that anyone was naive enough to think that this will not, or has not, happened in Ireland.

has this happened in ireland it sounds like it has by your text

Toto Wolfcastle

mikeala wrote: »

has this happened in ireland it sounds like it has by your text

Yeah, a lot of stuff happens in Ireland that people don't know about, same as every other modern society.

mikeala

janeybabe wrote: »

Yeah, a lot of stuff happens in Ireland that people don't know about, same as every other modern society.

i dont want to pry to much sounds like ur a social worker but are these kids being looked out for

Toto Wolfcastle

mikeala wrote: »

i dont want to pry to much sounds like ur a social worker but are these kids being looked out for

I'm not a social worker. And even if social workers get involved there is only so much they can do.

mikeala

janeybabe wrote: »

I'm not a social worker. And even if social workers get involved there is only so much they can do.

fair enough but it is a known fact that socialworkers have more power than guards .why is there only so much they can do actually its there job to protect children janeybabe

Toto Wolfcastle

mikeala wrote: »

fair enough but it is a known fact that socialworkers have more power than guards .why is there only so much they can do actually its there job to protect children janeybabe

Because sometimes people and situations are beyond help. It's unfortunate.

Anyway, as I said, I only know about things that are relevant to my job.I'm not an expert.

mikeala

janeybabe wrote: »

Because sometimes people and situations are beyond help. It's unfortunate.

Anyway, as I said, I only know about things that are relevant to my job.I'm not an expert.

do you work around kids

themadchef

mikeala wrote: »

fair enough but it is a known fact that socialworkers have more power than guards

Big statement... can you back it up? I certainly didn't know it.


I can understand you reading something and getting upset by it..but you sound more than a little "enthusiastic".

Jumpy

Here is a link that you might find useful mikeala.

http://www.arts.uottawa.ca/writcent/hypergrammar/punct.html

I am sure your posts might be taken a lot more seriously if you had a quick read.

mikeala

themadchef wrote: »

Big statement... can you back it up? I certainly didn't know it.


I can understand you reading something and getting upset by it..but you sound more than a little "enthusiastic".

yes i read that the social workers have serios more power than guards and i am concerned for ill treated defenceless kids