cousin vinny returns

jayroyal

I think could be our next moscow flyer , 2/1 with paddy power no runner no bet, it's like buying money.

Colonel Sanders

Obviously a very promising horse and looked an absolute machine in bumpers

However they are pitching him right in at the deep end for his debut over hurdles. Hope he wins and proves to be a superstar but I won't be backing him

Bluetonic

jayroyal wrote: »

I think could be our next moscow flyer , 2/1 with paddy power no runner no bet, it's like buying money.

Regardless of whether he wins or not what an ignorant statement.

Frankie Lee

I honestly think he'll need the run so I'll go for Tramp Stamp e/w @ 12/1, especially considering both of Mullins horses are first time out this season.

shamrock29

Cousin Vinny is a major drifter thsi morning.9-4 out to 5-2 with paddypower and is almost 3-1 on betfair.ps my tip Admiral Barry is 9-1 with Betfair,hope the change of jockey can work the miracle haha

shamrock29

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I honestly think he'll need the run so I'll go for Tramp Stamp e/w @ 12/1, especially considering both of Mullins horses are first time out this season.

Willie Mullins said he will strip alot fitter for the run today.Doesn't sound like he is in tip top shape but maybe his star quaility will be enough.
he is almost 7-2 on betfair.

rynners

4/1 is a bit big not to have a dabble.

rynners

very hard to take something from that, I would have expected the field to be strung out more than it was at the final flight..
he'll come on for the run but he'll need to... in a big way.

NewApproach

I think they will be very encouraged by todays run, he was obviously not fit, he jumped excellently well. He can go to the very top this season I think. Saying that, he is a ridiculous price for March.

rynners

NewApproach wrote: »

I think they will be very encouraged by todays run, he was obviously not fit, he jumped excellently well. He can go to the very top this season I think. Saying that, he is a ridiculous price for March.

I dunno, i think the slowly run race puts question marks over it's worthiness as a benchmark for cheltenham. It was a good race, and always is but I didn't see anything that excited me about any of them tbh. Would not take the crazy price about him!

jayroyal

I backed him yesterday so the drift was a worry but the news was he was overweight. It was a good run if that the case as he gave away weight 3lb but he jumped very well.
I think he's my irish banker for the festival so far. btw trafford lad was very good.

fr wishy washy

Hugely promising run imho,with that run under his belt and the prospect of Ruby getting on board when it matters makes it a very exciting horse.


Trafford Lad going the right way:cool:,thought his jumping was superb.

BobbyD10

I thought it was a good run too.

Will come on for that run. He gave a few pounds to most of the field too.

franny1

willl def come on for run considering for a horse that was his first time over hurdles in grade one company,

Obviously a lot thought of him and will be interesting to see where he goes next?

Bluetonic

jayroyal wrote: »

I backed him yesterday so the drift was a worry but the news was he was overweight. It was a good run if that the case as he gave away weight 3lb but he jumped very well.
I think he's my irish banker for the festival so far. btw trafford lad was very good.

Any comment on your original statement?

jayroyal wrote: »

I think could be our next moscow flyer , 2/1 with paddy power no runner no bet, it's like buying money.

:rolleyes:

jayroyal wrote: »

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I think he's my irish banker for the festival so far.

Excuse me if I don't remortgage the house.

Bluetonic

BobbyD10 wrote: »

I thought it was a good run too.

Will come on for that run. He gave a few pounds to most of the field too.

He was more than a few pounds off the winner.

rynners

Here's the thing. Winner had very decent but unspectacular form in both codes coming into this, ran at a high level on the flat but no world beater. He's 4 with quite a few miles on the clock.. Vinny is 5 with few miles on the clock. The Royal Bond was run at a modest gallop and the winner (exclude the second in this) beat vinny by a way. I think that the modest gallop set it up for a sprint coming to the end. Vinny set the pace though so is it fair to say he ran the type of race that would have ideally suited him? Ok vinny was a few pounds heavy but would this have caused him to have no sort of finishing kick at all coming off a modest pace? He cannot have been totally unprepared for this.

If he strips fitter next time and employs the same tactics can he run the finish out of a more special horse than hurrican fly?

The whole thing could be analysed for hours, but I don't think vinny showed that he can win at cheltenham today granted normal improvement from his first run over hurdles as he jumped brilliantly and didn't lose ground at any of them (this is where the improvement I would expect to come from so I don't expect to find much in this department).. If he was 100% today would he have won? and by how much? If he stole a few lengths coming to the last today and had just beaten h. fly then the horse to take out of it would have been the fly, but as stated previously the fly had very very good form, not spectacular though..

My Verdict: Cousin Vinny become a horse of the people but to continually disappoint punters expectations in the next 2 years..not always this pessimistic but have a gut feeling on this one.

Frankie Lee

I don't think the thing that made Cousin Vinny such a special bumper horse was his finishing kick but his staying ability, he has already proven he can get up the hill in Cheltenham and his most impressive performance in Punchestown was also a testing track.

If he had a strongly run race today and was 100% I'd say he'd have won but I still feel 2 mile 4 would suit him better.
The only problem with that is that he'd be coming up against Pandorama, now that would be a good race.

BobbyD10

Mullins said: "I'm absolutely delighted with that. Paul gave him a super ride in a difficult race tactically as nobody wanted to make it.

"Patrick (Mullins) decided to jump off in front on Cousin Vinny and I'm absolutely delighted with him also. The most I will take out of the race is the way Cousin Vinny jumped and ran and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season with both horses.

"We'll look at the Future Champion Novice Hurdle at Leopardstown over Christmas for Hurricane Fly. Cousin Vinny can go anywhere and I'll even have a look at some English races for him, but I don't like travelling horses until March. He will stay further and I don't mind stepping him up in trip."

Frankie Lee

BobbyD10 wrote: »

Mullins said: "I'm absolutely delighted with that. Paul gave him a super ride in a difficult race tactically as nobody wanted to make it.

"Patrick (Mullins) decided to jump off in front on Cousin Vinny and I'm absolutely delighted with him also. The most I will take out of the race is the way Cousin Vinny jumped and ran and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season with both horses.

"We'll look at the Future Champion Novice Hurdle at Leopardstown over Christmas for Hurricane Fly. Cousin Vinny can go anywhere and I'll even have a look at some English races for him, but I don't like travelling horses until March. He will stay further and I don't mind stepping him up in trip."

Hopefully we will see him come up against Pandorama then.

rynners

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Hopefully we will see him come up against Pandorama then.

+1.
but the fact that he might be campaigned at 2m4 possibly against the likes of pandorama raises question marks about what WM thinks of him at 2m?

rynners

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I don't think the thing that made Cousin Vinny such a special bumper horse was his finishing kick but his staying ability, he has already proven he can get up the hill in Cheltenham and his most impressive performance in Punchestown was also a testing track.

my post referred to him being able to run the finish out of a finisher.. maybe it's better to try this at 2m4 than 2m.. but then he's got pandorama to contend with...

Frazzled

rynners wrote: »

+1.
but the fact that he might be campaigned at 2m4 possibly against the likes of pandorama raises question marks about what WM thinks of him at 2m?

Vinny looks like a Ballymore horse to my eyes and should be campaigned as such. Hurricane Fly looks very decent (taking rynners comments on board) and will travel very well in a strongly run two miles. I can see no way that he will be aimed at the longer races and he is the Supreme Novices horse.

I am very much looking forward to seeing the chap that beat Realt Dubh at Navan however. I have no doubt that he is top class, as he would want to be given his price tag!

NewApproach

From a slow pace, there is every chance that it was Hurricane Fly's 'flat speed' that was decisive.

Dont like that term but think it could apply here...