Looking to join a group/band - No experience - This post applies to you

starterband

Hello,

I believe this is the best site for placing adds related to musicans.

I'm looking to start a group - kildare / West Dublin. I have re-hearsal space, set of drums, powered mixing desk, mics, bass amp which can contribute to the overall equipment needed.

Over the past two days I have been going through some of the posts on this site, if your interests are heavy metal, screaming music, jazz, country, then stop reading, this post definitley does not apply to you. If your under the age of 25 it also does not apply to you, interested musicans between the ages of 25-32 need only PM.

I dont want people who have gigging experience, if they had gigging experience why are they looking here to form another band.

My strategy for forming this group (after the canditates have been choosen) is 18 months practise once a week in the re-hearsal space and individually in their own spare time. We could also meet through the week depending on the circumstances of each of the group member but realistically speaking the main practise session would be at the weekend. All things considered, most people have other responsibilities and commitments. Minimum 4 hours practise per week in the rehearsal space.

When a definitve list of songs has been chosen (group decision) we start from the very begining and DO NOT move forward until the song is mastered tight in terms of rythm, tempo, vocals, pitch, accuracy no matter how long it takes to master a song, an hour, a day, a week, so be it because when it is eventually mastered it will give a real sense of achievement, which, is what this band should / will be about, achieving in a group and developing to a high standard.

The group should not even think about playing a gig until a serious standard has been reached. Its this high standard that will be the ace card for repeat gigs - good bands always get repeat gigs and come to the forefront - the crappy ones get left behind on boards.

Have you got the idea of how serious this group is? Ideally you should be playing your instrument a minimum of 5 years. If your seriously interested in developing in this group them PM ONLY for more details.

• Drummer
• Bass
• Lead Guitar

Here is an exampe of some of the songs I am suggesting but not limited obviously, these are only some of my personal favourites.

Coldplay - Yellow
Coldplay - The Scientist
Radiohead - Fake plastic Trees
Snow Patrol - Run
Snow Patrol - Chocoate
The Kooks - Jackie big tits
The Kooks - She Moves in her own way
kings of Leon - Arizona
kings of Leon - Ragoo
The Killers - All these things that I have done
The Frateilis - Acid Jazz singer
U2 - Where the Streets have no name
U2 - One

For a rock solid band to sustain itself, not only does there have to be a good music dynamic but also an appreciation for each others ability and skill, I think this would be impossible to understand in 1 jam session but over many sessions.

I intentionally made this a long post because only people who are seriously interested will have read to the very end. I have no doubt that it will be a good laugh along the way, ups n downs, doubts and joining the group but with the right team spirit then I can t see why we wont come out on top. Its only when everyone knows each others ability should we venture into writing etc etc but thats way down the line.

SERIOUS PEOPLE NEED ONLY PM FOR MORE INFORMATION. remember, its not how good you are now, its how good you will be 18 months time and from then on, its not a short term thing, its long term serious music playing!!!

all the best fellow musicans!

Starterband.

DarkJager

I thought a band was supposed to be fun to play in, not similar to a bootcamp?

DerKaiser

Seems odd you would turn away somebody because they have gigging experience, surely that would strengthen your band, have you gigging experience? Bands break up, so saying people with gigging experience shouldn't advertise here is just plain silly.

BTW - beware, some people don't know how to handle the stage, they can be a flash rock star in the rehearsal room and freeze on stage.

Kingcalumn

Ill give you a tip - just get out there and do it. Dont spend 18 months perfecting it - Ive played gigs and seen bands make horrendous mistakes and die on stage, then pick themselves up and carry on - it happens in all walks of life. It'll never get that perfect so just do it!!

Oh and an analogy - If you surround matter with a hotter substance it gets hotter - likewise if you surround yourself with better musicians you get better...dont turn away people with experience.

Wurly

Is there something wrong with people looking for likeminded musicians on boards?

You sound totally up yourself to be honest and your post would completely turn me off working with you.

The worst thing in a band is an over inflated ego.

fretsomaniac

Dude!! Do YOU have any gigging expirience (obviously no)! And your post looks like a corporate product add! And you won't get a lot of gigs with the same set of songs, no matter how good you play them. And 18 months.. you can do a 100 songs by then even if you're a begginer.

P.S. I agree with DarkJager too. Good luck general!!

nij

You want to form a 'serious' band and spend a year and a half 'perfecting' somebody else's corporate indie-pop music? For what?

Rigsby

Why come down on people with gigging experience. Bands break up dont they ? Maybe these people are looking to join another band

Also, why the strict age limit. Surely dedication and ability are more important.

I ask these questions purely out of curiosity, as judging from your post, I have no intention of responding.

starterband

Hi All,

I can see why your thinking, bootcamp, general, age restrictions, etc etc.... points taken but believe me I'm the most laid back guy on the planet who at the same time as being in a successful group has good craic and fun along the way. I'm 30 years old and dont really want to be in a group with young teenagers - most likely wont last. I understand the logic of people with gigging experience but as somebody mentioned on the replies and was right, I dont have gigging experience. Can you imagine 4 people coming together and 3 without any experience in gigging and 1 who has, there is a strong possibility of an over inflated ego so all things considered i like most would probably want all things being equal.

DerKaiser

Mate, that is a mental mentality, bands come together because it's either fun or profitable, if it's fun don't expect to conquer more than your rehearsal room, if it's it's pro, you better produce paying gigs consistently or your band mates will leave quickly, you thought your idea through and I respect that, but it's not realistic.

Rehearsal is one kind of playing, gig playing is another, recording is another, you need live rehearsal. If you think you can go from rehearsal room to stage in one smooth motion and make it sound ok you've a lot to learn, get some live experience.

Trust me, rehearsed routines go out the window sometimes when you're on stage, the stage, the lights, the people in front of you make you feel strange and no matter how confident you feel, your first time, the well rehearsed music will get away from you

Play live as much as you can, f*ck rehearsing

raindog.promo

starterband wrote: »

I understand the logic of people with gigging experience but as somebody mentioned on the replies and was right, I dont have gigging experience. Can you imagine 4 people coming together and 3 without any experience in gigging and 1 who has, there is a strong possibility of an over inflated ego so all things considered i like most would probably want all things being equal.

Or the one person with stage experience can give good advise/preparation to those who don't. Being on stage doesn't give an overinflated ego. Being an asshole does.

I was in a band where the original drummer left. The new drummer wasn't on stage before (or hadn't been in a very long time) The first gig we did with the drummer, me and the bassist kept winding him up before hand. having drinks before the gig, we'd turn around at irregular intervals and shout "psyche" at him. While being prickish about it, it also turned the whole thing into a joke so when we got on stage everything went great and a good time was had by all.

Except perhaps, the audience.

There was an audience?

sloppydrunk

What instument do u play Starterband??

By the way reckon u shud change the policy of not letting people with gigging experience join......... thats just crazy

Rigsby

DerKaiser wrote: »

f*ck rehearsing

I agreed with everything you said except this. A band that does not rehearse on a regular basis is going to be loose and sloppy on stage ( this added to the stage conditions you describe above ). I'll bet you'll find that most famous bands rehearse. Any band worth it's salt and with any interest and dedication at all will feel the need to rehearse. If a song(s) has complex changes plus stops and starts, are you saying that they'll pull that off when playing it first time on stage Even the Beatles could not do that Besides, who wants to pay money in to see a band practically rehearsing on stage ?

shlija

starterband wrote: »

Hi All,

I can see why your thinking, bootcamp, general, age restrictions, etc etc.... points taken but believe me I'm the most laid back guy on the planet who at the same time as being in a successful group has good craic and fun along the way. I'm 30 years old and dont really want to be in a group with young teenagers - most likely wont last. I understand the logic of people with gigging experience but as somebody mentioned on the replies and was right, I dont have gigging experience. Can you imagine 4 people coming together and 3 without any experience in gigging and 1 who has, there is a strong possibility of an over inflated ego so all things considered i like most would probably want all things being equal.

...i have fun on this forum too ))

aherns2

This sounds very much like you are making a TV programme about how a band can succeed in 18 months with no gig experience...?

DerKaiser

Rigsby wrote: »

I agreed with everything you said except this. A band that does not rehearse on a regular basis is going to be loose and sloppy on stage ( this added to the stage conditions you describe above ). I'll bet you'll find that most famous bands rehearse. Any band worth it's salt and with any interest and dedication at all will feel the need to rehearse. If a song(s) has complex changes plus stops and starts, are you saying that they'll pull that off when playing it first time on stage Even the Beatles could not do that Besides, who wants to pay money in to see a band practically rehearsing on stage ?

Not true, I have been in professional acts that rehearsed 3 times and gigged pubs, functions and weddings all over the country and produced a finely polished act, depends on how good your individuals are, there were nights were new songs were added that I learned the day of the gig and performed them perfectly

And I didn't mean studio rehearsal was pointless, I merely meant live rehearsal is more importnat than studio rehearsal if you're going to be a live band

Parsley

...and one hardly needs 5 years experience at their instrument to play those tunes! :pac:

DerKaiser

U2? 5 mins more like

Rigsby

Parsley wrote: »

...and one hardly needs 5 years experience at their instrument to play those tunes! :pac:

You 've hit the nail on the head there


I suppose it depends on how complex your music is wheather you rehearse regularly.

To DerKaiser : I agree that live gigging is very important, but only when every one is up scratch.

And yes, there is some music that some people could learn off in a short time, and other music that definitely needs lots of rehearsal time......... OFF STAGE !!

DerKaiser

Yep there is a big difference between achy breaky heart and In-a-gadda-da-vida alright Can't see that working unrehearsed

Rigsby

DerKaiser wrote: »

Yep there is a big difference between achy breaky heart and In-a-gadda-da-vida alright Can't see that working unrehearsed

The type of music I'm talking about that might need to be rehearsed would be jazz and music like Steely Dan's ( try learning this on the day of the gig and see how you get on ).

DerKaiser

I don't agree with you about jazz mate, in big band jazz you'll be reading sheets and in small combo jazz it's usually improvised anyway, jazz guys are masters of their instruments and is one type of music that really doesn't need rehearsal, I've heard stories of guys recording albums who learned their parts on the plane on the way to the studio by reading the dots, without instruments

It's more structured prog rock, metal or classical which requires the most polishing, most people prefer music that sounds loose rather than rigid anyway, if you are a good enough musician you should be able to improvise just about anything, well, within reason

Bitsie

Starterband, sorry but how do you seem to know exactly what is needed for a gigging band if you have never been in one and refuse to let anyone who has give you their advice on gigging.......your attitude is laughable, it sounds more like a job interview than a band. Its meant to be fun too as well as being a good band. Also, you are looking for people with at least 5 years experience playing.......how many people do you reckon have that many years experience without ever having gigged before!!
Good luck!! NOT

DerKaiser

Good point, if they are playing 5 years and have no gigging experience that poses questions about a. their ability b. their confidence (or laziness)

Rigsby

DerKaiser wrote: »

jazz guys are masters of their instruments and is one type of music that really doesn't need rehearsal, I've heard stories of guys recording albums who learned their parts on the plane on the way to the studio by reading the dots, without instruments

....... and how do you think these guys became masters of their instruments, and able to read their parts on the way to the studio Do you think they were born being able to improvise ?

Give up ? Ok. I'll tell you. It's achieved from a lifetime of focused learning and practice (i.e. rehearsing ). You may not need to rehearse when you are a master your instrument, but to become a master takes a lot of practice and hard graft, which if you ask any of them, will tell you it never ends.

The late great Miles Davis used to bring his band to the studio to rehearse before a recording.

raindog.promo

Papa Smut wrote: »

There was an audience?

I brought 3 people if I remember correct like.

DerKaiser

Rigsby wrote: »

....... and how do you think these guys became masters of their instruments, and able to read their parts on the way to the studio Do you think they were born being able to improvise ?

Give up ? Ok. I'll tell you. It's achieved from a lifetime of focused learning and practice (i.e. rehearsing ). You may not need to rehearse when you are a master your instrument, but to become a master takes a lot of practice and hard graft, which if you ask any of them, will tell you it never ends.

The late great Miles Davis used to bring his band to the studio to rehearse before a recording.

I'm not disagreeing here, we seem to be splitting the same hair, some people do have it naturally, but no matter how natural you are you have to learn how to play your intsrument(s), learn how to play as part of an ensemble, learn how to record etc, Miles Davis did that in the 60s alright when he was doing his fusion stuff, but the earlier combo bop recordings like kind of blue were recorded off the cuff, but he did his graft and practise, he attended Julliard and played for years in the Cab Calloway band, now that is practice and graft!

Rigsby

DerKaiser wrote: »

Play live as much as you can, f*ck rehearsing

I was merely reacting to this !!

DerKaiser

Rigsby wrote: »

I was merely reacting to this !!

And I still stand by it, young bands especially can get too comfortable in the rehearsal room and never cut the umbilical cord, live rehearsal is more important if you want to be a live band, my advice is take your first gig as soon as you can, go out and make your mistakes and learn from them, the real graft is playing live, not wasting away in a studio somewhere

Rigsby

DerKaiser wrote: »

And I still stand by it, young bands especially can get too comfortable in the rehearsal room and never cut the umbilical cord, live rehearsal is more important if you want to be a live band, my advice is take your first gig as soon as you can, go out and make your mistakes and learn from them, the real graft is playing live, not wasting away in a studio somewhere

I think we'll have to agree to differ on this.


I dont fancy paying X amount of euros to see some noobie who maybe only took up the instrument a few weeks/months ago struggle his way through a set. If this is your thing, then best of luck to you.

Chonker

I don't understand why this post has everyone hot and bothered. Thats what the op wants in his band, who are we to try change his mind. Even though he is obviously so so wrong, but my opinion doesn't count, never mind my many years gigging exp I was out at the max age requirements and do you see me moaning? No!

Ageist Bugger!

Rigsby

Chonker wrote: »

I don't understand why this post has everyone hot and bothered. Thats what the op wants in his band, who are we to try change his mind. Even though he is obviously so so wrong, but my opinion doesn't count, never mind my many years gigging exp I was out at the max age requirements and do you see me moaning? No!

Ageist Bugger!

I agree with you. It's beyond me how it's generally perceived here, that an 18 year old cant play in a band with say a 28 or 30 year old. They dont have to hang around together, just practice and play together...... and I thought music knew no boundaries. I dont think anyone was trying to change his mind, merely show him the error of his ways.

terry groves

what a load of crap

starterband wrote: »

Hello,

I believe this is the best site for placing adds related to musicans.

I'm looking to start a group - kildare / West Dublin. I have re-hearsal space, set of drums, powered mixing desk, mics, bass amp which can contribute to the overall equipment needed.

Over the past two days I have been going through some of the posts on this site, if your interests are heavy metal, screaming music, jazz, country, then stop reading, this post definitley does not apply to you. If your under the age of 25 it also does not apply to you, interested musicans between the ages of 25-32 need only PM.

I dont want people who have gigging experience, if they had gigging experience why are they looking here to form another band.

My strategy for forming this group (after the canditates have been choosen) is 18 months practise once a week in the re-hearsal space and individually in their own spare time. We could also meet through the week depending on the circumstances of each of the group member but realistically speaking the main practise session would be at the weekend. All things considered, most people have other responsibilities and commitments. Minimum 4 hours practise per week in the rehearsal space.

When a definitve list of songs has been chosen (group decision) we start from the very begining and DO NOT move forward until the song is mastered tight in terms of rythm, tempo, vocals, pitch, accuracy no matter how long it takes to master a song, an hour, a day, a week, so be it because when it is eventually mastered it will give a real sense of achievement, which, is what this band should / will be about, achieving in a group and developing to a high standard.

The group should not even think about playing a gig until a serious standard has been reached. Its this high standard that will be the ace card for repeat gigs - good bands always get repeat gigs and come to the forefront - the crappy ones get left behind on boards.

Have you got the idea of how serious this group is? Ideally you should be playing your instrument a minimum of 5 years. If your seriously interested in developing in this group them PM ONLY for more details.

• Drummer
• Bass
• Lead Guitar

Here is an exampe of some of the songs I am suggesting but not limited obviously, these are only some of my personal favourites.

Coldplay - Yellow
Coldplay - The Scientist
Radiohead - Fake plastic Trees
Snow Patrol - Run
Snow Patrol - Chocoate
The Kooks - Jackie big tits
The Kooks - She Moves in her own way
kings of Leon - Arizona
kings of Leon - Ragoo
The Killers - All these things that I have done
The Frateilis - Acid Jazz singer
U2 - Where the Streets have no name
U2 - One

For a rock solid band to sustain itself, not only does there have to be a good music dynamic but also an appreciation for each others ability and skill, I think this would be impossible to understand in 1 jam session but over many sessions.

I intentionally made this a long post because only people who are seriously interested will have read to the very end. I have no doubt that it will be a good laugh along the way, ups n downs, doubts and joining the group but with the right team spirit then I can t see why we wont come out on top. Its only when everyone knows each others ability should we venture into writing etc etc but thats way down the line.

SERIOUS PEOPLE NEED ONLY PM FOR MORE INFORMATION. remember, its not how good you are now, its how good you will be 18 months time and from then on, its not a short term thing, its long term serious music playing!!!

all the best fellow musicans!

Starterband.

starterband

Well it appears that this post has caused a lot of conflict and difference of opinion.

"music has no boundaries" eh, yes it does!! every different Genre has a boundary of its own!!!

Some people just have not got the jist of the post but rather got on their high horses and let their attitude get out of control.

"bands break up" I agree but like most they wouldnt want the group to split so thats why commitment is the order of the day. Yes, I command commitment - after all I'm supposed to be a "general"

Did anybody of the whingers get a sense of motivation from the post. Loads did and they replied.

We have been inundated with PM's looking to jump on board with the idea. We have had to hold multiple auditions and not only that, we have been asked by keyboard players, backing vox if they could audition so and thus far its going quiete well, so, it seems that the minority are the people who have openly whinged because they obviously have issues with their perception of rehearsal and live performance.

When this band has developed into what it is intended then a lot of people will be both sorry and envious that they didnt at least give it a shot.

Think a mixture of sterophonics, greenday, the kooks! I'll send everyone on this post a video link to the first offical studio recording.

See, some people shout off and dont really know they are shouting at and shoot themselves in the foot at the same time. God, ignorance is bliss.

If people only knew the philosophy. This method was directly intended to sift the idiots from the talent.


All the best,
Starterband Management.

DerKaiser

No, it was to bring the controllable and munipulatable as no real musician would work with such an arrogant amateur

Best of luck with your experiment mate

raindog.promo

Starterband Management?

It becomes slightly clearer now. Why didn't you mention that in your first post?

There's a difference between discussion and whinging. If you can't tell the difference, management is gonna be a lot of fun for you.

NukaCola

starterband wrote: »

This method was directly intended to sift the idiots from the talent.

I guess it has

Diveonthe12th

starterband wrote: »

Well it appears that this post has caused a lot of conflict and difference of opinion.

"music has no boundaries" eh, yes it does!! every different Genre has a boundary of its own!!!

Some people just have not got the jist of the post but rather got on their high horses and let their attitude get out of control.

"bands break up" I agree but like most they wouldnt want the group to split so thats why commitment is the order of the day. Yes, I command commitment - after all I'm supposed to be a "general"

Did anybody of the whingers get a sense of motivation from the post. Loads did and they replied.

We have been inundated with PM's looking to jump on board with the idea. We have had to hold multiple auditions and not only that, we have been asked by keyboard players, backing vox if they could audition so and thus far its going quiete well, so, it seems that the minority are the people who have openly whinged because they obviously have issues with their perception of rehearsal and live performance.

When this band has developed into what it is intended then a lot of people will be both sorry and envious that they didnt at least give it a shot.

Think a mixture of sterophonics, greenday, the kooks! I'll send everyone on this post a video link to the first offical studio recording.

See, some people shout off and dont really know they are shouting at and shoot themselves in the foot at the same time. God, ignorance is bliss.

If people only knew the philosophy. This method was directly intended to sift the idiots from the talent.


All the best,
Starterband Management.

Dude, you are completely delusional... good luck to you... i'll be absolutely amazed if you ever get 1 gig in. Mind you, the kind of stuff you're aiming for is so completely redundant that you might just pull enough skull numbing tunes together for a couple of crap gigs. In fact, i reckon you'll be one of those wanna be musicians who will perpetually assault the senses of many unsuspecting audiences for years to come until by chance your brand of musical goo suddenly comes into fashion through some fluke retro trend revival.

DerKaiser

Diveonthe12th wrote: »

Dude, you are completely delusional... good luck to you... i'll be absolutely amazed if you ever get 1 gig in. Mind you, the kind of stuff you're aiming for is so completely redundant that you might just pull enough skull numbing tunes together for a couple of crap gigs. In fact, i reckon you'll be one of those wanna be musicians who will perpetually assault the senses of many unsuspecting audiences for years to come until by chance your brand of musical goo suddenly comes into fashion through some retro fluke trend revival.

Chortle

The only thing is, this early 80s new wavey crap is going through a retro revival right now, so he may have to wait 20 years or so for it to come back if he doesn't get his act together lickety shplit

ATTIC DOOR

seems to me like the man has a plan, nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Everyone's idea of the "right" way to make music is completely different, and rightly so. I hope you do well for yourself mate, best of luck in the future.

Diveonthe12th

Starterband! What exactly will be your role in this band? Since you're not listing for a vocalist i'm presuming that's what you do: Sing!

Very strange way of avoiding that very important detail!

NukaCola

Diveonthe12th wrote: »

Starterband! What exactly will be your role in this band? Since you're not listing for a vocalist i'm presuming that's what you do: Sing!

Very strange way of avoiding that very important detail!

No, i dont thinks so, "general" i think is his prefered role, i love the blind ambition and absolute disregard of anything being said!! How old are you? 30? Seriously love the attitude, he seems so sure......
:eek::pac::pac::pac: