ISAA Intervarsity Rules, November 2008

Panserborn

This is a copy of the rules that were sent to all the clubs before the 2008/2009 intervarsity season

For reference, the previous version of the rules are here


ISAA Intervarsity League Rules

For scoring and running of competitions normal FITA rules apply, except where superseded by the below.

Eligible Competitors
(1) All students enrolled/attending a full time course in a institution at the date of an intervarsity are eligible to shoot for that institution at that intervarsity and for the remainder of the season.
(2) An archer who is on their years grace may also compete for their institution
(i) A grace year is defined as the academic year following the completion of a course of study.
(ii) A person can defer their Years Grace, by one season and compete in the following season instead.
(iii) An archer must only compete for their current institution. Or if they are on Years Grace then the institution they last competed for.

Intervarsities, Leauge, Nationals and Open Competitions
(1) The ISAA Intervarsity League shall be contested across no more than 6 competitions in a single academic year.
(i) If at the start of the league more than 6 institutions purpose to host a shoot the system as outlined below must be employed to decide which shoots will form the league (referred to as IVs).
(ii)Any remaining non-league shoots may continue. These shoots should include the National Student Championships and/or the Student Open
(2) A rotational system in the order of the list below, shall used to select the Institutions which will host an IV shoot. The six institutions to host IV’s in a given academic year shall be the 6 names subsequent to the institution furthest down the list to have hosted an IV in the previous year
Carlow IT, DCU, DKIT, GMIT, NUIG, NUIM, UCD, UL
(i) Any institution/university not willing to host an IV that year will be skipped.
(ii) Any new institution joining the ISAA will be inserted at the end of the list.
(3) Individual and team league prizes will be presented at the last IV of the year.
(4) Institutions shall try to book their shoot before the last competition of the previous season in order to facilitate the planning. If possible 50% of the shoots should be before the Christmas break.
(5) Institutions running the Nationals and the Student Open are free to decide on the format of the competitions. It is recommended to incorporate a knock out round (individual and/or team) in order to promote this type of competition.

Archer Categories
(1) There will be five main categories at competitions:

• Beginner Barebow
• Beginner Recurve
• Advanced Barebow
• Advanced Recurve
• Compound.

If deemed appropriate extra categories for Crossbow, Longbow, Guest, …, can be added at the discretion of the competition hosts.
(2) Advanced archers (Recurve and Barebow) will shoot a FITA 18 round 60 arrows on a 40cm target or 3 spots at 18m
(3) Beginner archers will shoot 60 arrows on a 60cm target at 18m.
(4) Compound archers will shoot a FITA 18 round 60 arrows on a 3 spot target. In the compound category only the inner most ring will count as a 10.
(5) Longbow archers may be included in the beginner or advanced bare bow category at the discretion of the hosts.
(6) An archer can only compete in a single category during an intervarsity.

Definition of Categories:
(1) Barebow should have no sight, or marks or blemishes that may be used as sight marks and the unstrung bow should be able to pass though a ring 12.2cm.
(i) Beginner Barebow. Any barebow archer who has not scored the following at a competition can shoot as a beginner:

• 340+ points on a 40cm or 3 spot target
• 450+ points on a 60cm target

(2) Beginner Recurve. Any recurve archer who has not scored the following at a competition can shoot as a beginner:

• 400+ points in the Beginner Recurve category.
• 340+ points on a 40cm or 3 spot target.

(3) Advanced is open to all archers.
(4) Any archer who has shot at distances of 50m or longer in competition or who has shot over 340/600 on a 40cm target at an 18m competition cannot be considered a beginner.
(5) A record will be kept of advanced archers, who can no longer shoot as beginners. However it is the responsibility of each club to make sure that their archers are in a valid category. A mistake in the list of advanced archers is not a valid excuse if an archer is found to have shot in an invalid category.

Hot Shot
(1) The format of a Hot Shot is at the discretion of the host institution.
(i) The following is the format suggested by the ISAA:

Round number 1
60cm = 3
40cm = 6
Compound = 7

Round number 2
60cm = 5
40cm = 7
Compound = 8

Round number 3
60cm = 7
40cm = 8
Compound = 9

Round number 4
60cm = 9
40cm = 9
Compound = Outer 10

Round number 5
60cm = 10
40cm = 10
Compound = Inner 10

Round number 6
60cm = Closest to center
40cm = Closest to center
Compound = Closest to center

(2) Guest may, at the discretion of the institution/university running the shoot, win the hot shot

Team and Individual Scores & Prizes at an Intervarsity

(1) The team score for each institution is the sum of the highest five individual scores of that institution. At least four of the five scores must be from recurve / barebow archers.
(2) If two teams have equal scores then the teams are ranked according the tota; number of hits, then tens and then golds for each team.
(3) Team prizes will be given to the five archers that make up the team score of the teams that come 1st, 2nd and 3rd
(4) It is recommended that the individual prizes will be given to 1st, 2nd and 3rd in each category.
a. If there are 3 or less archers in a category, a prize for 1st is sufficient.
(5) Additional prizes may be presented for guests.

Intervarsity League Prizes
(1) The final League score for each team shall be the sum of the team scores at each IV competition of that season.
(2) The individual league categories are:

• Male Recurve
• Female Recurve
• Barebow
• Compound

The final league score for an individual shall be the sum of their top five scores shot at any Intervarsity shoot of that season.
(3) If the final score of two teams or individuals are equal, then they are placed according to the team score achieved on the day of the finals.

(4) Prizes will be given to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place Team, Male, Female, Barebow & Compound for the season. An individual may only claim a prize in one individual category.

For the winning teams, prizes should be given to the 5 individuals who contributed the most points to their teams League score during the season.

Note:
If incorrect scores were used to calculate league results an ISAA committee member must be informed at most four weeks after the league finals in order for an amendment to be made.

League Awards
Awards will be given to all archers that achieve the following scores:

1. 400+ in the Beginner Barebow Category
2. 450+ in the Beginner Barebow Category
3. 400+ in the Advanced Barebow Category
4. 450+ in the Advanced Barebow Category
5. 500+ in the Advanced Barebow Category

1. 400+ in the Beginner Recurve Category.
2. 400+ in the Advanced Recurve / Compound
3. 450+ in the Advanced Recurve / Compound
4. 500+ in the Advanced Recurve / Compound
5. 550+ in the Advanced Recurve / Compound

Plaques
Plaques will be awarded at the end of the year to each archer breaking the following scores. These prizes are in recognition of a special achievement and may only be claimed once.

• 500+ in the Advanced Barebow category
• 550+ in the Advanced Recurve category
• 565+ in the Compound category

Exceptions
While the above rules are meant to cover most eventualities in the League, exceptions will occur. The ISAA committee may make modifications and exceptions to the rules when it is appropriate.

The League exists to allow archers to compete and enjoy archery. The league rules should reflect this in a way that is fair to all the clubs and archers in the league.

While ever effort should be made to confirm that all institutions are fully aware of the rules, it is the responsibility of each institution to know the rules. Ignorance is not a valid excuse if a rule is broken.

Aryzel

- Sorry for poking my nose in, but just two small bits that might want to be clarified, (or not, might be perfectly fine).

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Definition of Categories:
(1) Barebow should have no sight, or marks or blemishes that may be used as sight marks and the unstrung bow should be able to pass though a ring 12.2cm.
(i) Beginner Barebow. Any barebow archer who has not scored the following at a competition can shoot as a beginner:

• 340+ points on a 40cm or 3 spot target
• 450+ points on a 60cm target

(2) Beginner Recurve. Any recurve archer who has not scored the following at a competition can shoot as a beginner:

• 400+ points in the Beginner Recurve category.
• 340+ points on a 40cm or 3 spot target.

(3) Advanced is open to all archers.
(4) Any archer who has shot at distances of 50m or longer in competition or who has shot over 340/600 on a 40cm target at an 18m competition cannot be considered a beginner.


- I take it that these are intended as the definitions of the cutoffs to Begineer Barebow and Beginner Recruve. Ye might not want it, not sure, but ye should probably include cross requirements, ie, someone moving from barebow to recurve and reverse. Hmm, ye make it arkward as ye have the cutoff at 450 for Advanced Barebow instead of 400, but ye get the idea, just decide the numbers yourselves. At the moment moving from recurve to barebow or back is not properly defined, so it seems someone shoint 550 Advanced Barebow can move to Beginners Recruve and same for Advanced Recurve to Beginners Barbow, ye need to tie down the definitions abit more. Ideally it should be one single set of scores defines beginners for either Recruve or Barebow.

Beginner Barebow. Any archer who has not scored the following at a competition can shoot as Beginner Barebow:

• 350+ points on a 40cm or 3 spot target (shot as barebow)
• 350+ points on a 40cm or 3 spot target (shot as recurve/compound)
  
• 450+ points on a 60cm target (shot as barebow)
• 400+ points on a 60cm target (shot as recurve/compound)

Beginner Recurve. Any archer who has not scored the following at a competition can shoot as a Beginner Recurve:

• 300+ points on a 40cm or 3 spot target (shot as barebow)
• 350+ points on a 40cm or 3 spot target (shot as recurve/compound)
  
• 350+ points on a 60cm target (shot as barebow)
• 400+ points on a 60cm target (shot as recurve/compound)

- OR IDEALLY
Beginner Recurve/Beginner Barebow. Any archer who has not scored the following at a competition can shoot as a Beginner Recurve or Beginner Barebow:

• 350+ points on a 40cm or 3 spot target (shot as barebow/recurve/compound)
• 400+ points on a 60cm target (shot as barebow/recurve/compound)

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- Also ye say:
(4) Any archer who has shot at distances of 50m or longer in competition or who has shot over 340/600 on a 40cm target at an 18m competition cannot be considered a beginner.
- The 40cm target bit is redundant with the definitions ye given above it, and the 50m bit is probably unnecessary, or at the very least ye should put a score on it. Some people do start archery at a club and shoot an outdoor competition and their 50m score can be attrocious, it is wrong to assume that just because someone has shot at 50m that they are past the beginner mark. Really you could just drop this line.

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- Final comment, ye leave out one part of the old rules:
Breaking of Rules
(1) If a score should not have been counted, then it should be discounted.
(2) If during a competition an archer is found to be shooting in an invalid category, then every effort should be made to let the person shoot in the correct category of the remainder of the competition. The decision lies solely with the competition host, who should do whatever they deem appropriate for the competition as a whole.
(3) If after a competition an archer is found to have shot in an invalid category or were ineligible to compete. Then the score should not have been counted and should be discounted and the correct results calculated.
(4) Invalid scores must be discovered before four weeks after the final intervarsity of the season. The change in results can take longer, but the invalid scores must be announced to a committee representative from each college within the four weeks following the final intervarsity. After the four weeks no other invalid scores will be considered.
(5) While ever effort should be made to confirm that all colleges are fully aware of the League rules, it is the responsibility of each college to know the rules. Ignorance of the rules is not a valid excuse if the rules are broken.

- Well ye have (4) and (5) in the new rules, but not (1)(2)(3). I not sure ye want to keep those or not, but if ye have decided on new ways to deal with invalide scores, then that method should be listed. Otherwise when an invalid score is found, you get in fighting between the various clubs involved to decide the outcome, instead of having a clear guideline to indicate a fair way to reslove the matter. Ye can always make an exception for a given situation if needs be, but it is better to have the guideline and make exceptions to it for a particular case, than have no guidelines and every case is fought over.

Dermot

MicS

I agree with Dermot asking the question about categories.

So is it possible to be considered Advanced Barebow and Beginner Recurve at the same time? Or Beginner Barebow and Advanced Recurve? From record keeping perspective, it's simpler to not allow such situations.

Also, I'd like to ask the question about retroactivity of these new rules, i.e. should the old scores (last year and earlier) be considered with the new rules when determining the categories of archers?

Aryzel

MicS wrote: »

I agree with Dermot asking the question about categories.

So is it possible to be considered Advanced Barebow and Beginner Recurve at the same time? Or Beginner Barebow and Advanced Recurve? From record keeping perspective, it's simpler to not allow such situations.

Also, I'd like to ask the question about retroactivity of these new rules, i.e. should the old scores (last year and earlier) be considered with the new rules when determining the categories of archers?

You can only shoot 1 category in a particual IV, so you can't shoot both at the same time, if that is what you meant?

They kinda do and don't apply retroactively Mikhail, the requirements are worded to mean 'if you have scored this score, you can not shoot beginner'. Which means if a person has ever scored the score in a competition (IV or non-IV), they can't shoot as beginner. Doesn't matter if you did it 20 years ago or tomorrow, if you don't meet the requirements, then you can't shoot as beginner. So its not a case of applying the updated rules retroactively, its more a case of when an IV comes, and you check people against the requirement, have they ever broken the required score.

Panserborn

Aryzel wrote: »

So its not a case of applying the updated rules retroactively, its more a case of when an IV comes, and you check people against the requirement, have they ever broken the required score.

That seems to be the way of it, since the high-end barebows from last year are on 40s from DCU on.

MicS

Aryzel wrote: »

You can only shoot 1 category in a particual IV, so you can't shoot both at the same time, if that is what you meant?

For example, a person breaks 450+ score on 60cm barebow. According to the rules in the first post, s/he have to shoot advanced barebow now. But can s/he still shoot beginner recurve at some future IV? Old rules said that 350+ barebow score prevented from ever going to beginner recurve.

Similar, can a person who broke 400 recurve shoot as beginner barebow at some future IV?

Panserborn

By my understanding of the old rules, once an archer had the beginners badge (the white one in the current badges) they were no longer considered a beginner in any category.

This seems fair as getting the first badge shows an archer to be capable of using a bow with relative accuracy.

Hopefully someone from the rules committee can let us know what the new ruling is in this respect. To me it makes sense to say that anyone who has the first badge, regardless of disipline, in not entitled to shoot beginner in any other category. If only to make it easier on the score calculations. But thats just me ............

Panserborn

Hi all,

Hope everyone had a good Christmas!!!!

WRT ........

MicS wrote:

So is it possible to be considered Advanced Barebow and Beginner Recurve at the same time? Or Beginner Barebow and Advanced Recurve? From record keeping perspective, it's simpler to not allow such situations

Could we get a clarification on this before we start organising the NUIG IV (the next one). If we don't hear anything we will just have to go on the old rulings - once advanced, always advanced.

Panserborn

Panserborn wrote:

Could we get a clarification on this before we start organising the NUIG IV (the next one). If we don't hear anything we will just have to go on the old rulings - once advanced, always advanced.

Got no clarification from anyone about this, so we're doing it the old way. This means, if an archer was ever considered advanced in any category, we will be considering them advanced in every category. Basically, if you have the white badge, you're advanced.

If its later decided this isn't the way, it will have to be sorted out retrospectively.

See ye Saturday!

PS, still a few places available on Sunday if anyone wants in!

Private Ryan

Me again, conspiring to ruin all your plans for the weekend in galway.
Sarah and I with have already done as much of the tidy up of the rules as I can do without further input from all the interested (annoyed!) parties.
Perhaps circumstances are conspiring so that meetings cannot take place but people are also using excuses.
On 9th of Feb I emailed the latest draft of the rules to all the colleges and recieved but one reply.
There are some major issues.
The barebows shooting on the 40cm face is ment to be a trial - has it worked and on what basis and how can we solve the problems surrounding badges.
Is the rotation system the best solution to too many IV's?
and more
please read the rules and esp the highlighted sections and get back to me.
Meeting in galway after the shoot come hell or high water even if i'm not there.
PM me if you weren't one of the original recipiants and want to see the rules

Private Ryan

The next post I'll make here is the copy of the rules as adopted in Limerick.
They are not perfect but they are what will be followed next year.

I've had a query about the years grace though. As adopted, there is ( I think) no reference to only having one years grace.
Having looked into it their is nothing in CUSAI about only having one years grace. (I quote CUSAI as that is where we got the current definition) Also the final few lines of the rules state in we should be finding ways to allow archers to compete not ways of preventing them.
So how do we proceed?
And a dangerous question - any other comments?

Private Ryan

ISAA Intervarsity League Rules

For scoring and running of competitions normal FITA rules apply, except where superseded by the below.

Intervarsity League and other competitions

1. The ISAA Intervarsity League shall be contested across no more than 6 competitions in a single academic year.
   1. If at the AGM of the ISAA more than 6 institutions purpose to host a shoot in the next season the system as outlined below must be employed to decide which shoots will form the league (referred to as IVs).
   2. Any remaining non-league shoots may continue. These shoots should include the National Student Championships and/or the Student Open
2. A rotational system shall be used to select the Institutions which will host an IV shoot.
   1. At the ISAA AGM, an alphabetical list, of the names of all institutions in attendance shall be made.
   2. The six institutions to host IV’s in the subsequent academic year shall be the 6 names subsequent to the institution furthest down the list to have hosted an IV in the current year.
   3. Any institution not willing to host an IV will be skipped.
3. Individual and team league prizes will be presented at the last IV of the year.
4. Institutions shall try to book their shoot before the last competition of the previous season in order to facilitate the planning. If possible 50% of the shoots should be before the Christmas break.
5. Institutions running the Nationals and the Student Open are free to decide on the format of the competitions. It is recommended to incorporate a knock out round (individual and/or team) in order to promote this type of competition.

Eligible Competitors

1. All students enrolled/attending a full time course in an institution at the date of an intervarsity are eligible to shoot for that institution at that intervarsity and for the remainder of the season.
2. An archer who is on their years grace may also compete for their institution
   1. A grace year is defined as the academic year following the completion of a course of study.
   2. A person can defer their Years Grace, by one season and compete in the following season instead.
3. An archer may only compete for their current institution or if on Years Grace for the institution they last competed for.
4. The ISAA committee has the power to award a years grace in exceptional circumstances eg. Courses being cancelled.

Archer Categories

1. There will be five individual categories at competitions:
   • Beginner Barebow
   • Beginner Recurve
   • Advanced Barebow
   • Advanced Recurve
   • Compound.
   1. If deemed appropriate extra categories for Crossbow, Longbow, Guest ECT. can be added at the discretion of the competition hosts.
2. Advanced archers (Recurve and Barebow) will shoot a FITA 18 round 60 arrows on a 40cm target or 3 spots at 18m
3. Beginner archers will shoot 60 arrows on a 60cm target at 18m.
4. Compound archers will shoot a FITA 18 round 60 arrows on a 3 spot target. As per FITA rules, in the compound category only the inner most ring will count as a 10.
5. Longbow archers may be included in the beginner or advanced bare bow category at the discretion of the hosts.
6. An archer can only compete in a single category during an intervarsity.

Definition of Categories

1. Barebow should have no sight, or marks / blemishes that may be used as sight marks and the unstrung bow should be able to pass though a ring 12.2cm.
2. In order to compete in the beginner section an archer must not have scored more than the following at a competition:
   • 399 points with 60 arrows on a 60cm face at 18m
   • 339 points with 60 arrows on a 40cm or 3 spot target at 18m.
   • 219 points with 36 arrows on an 80cm face at 50m.
3. Advanced is open to all archers.
4. A record will be kept of advanced archers, who can no longer shoot as beginners. However it is the responsibility of each club to make sure that their archers are in a valid category. A mistake in the list of advanced archers is not a valid excuse if an archer is found to have shot in an invalid category.

Hot Shot

1. The format of a Hot Shot is at the discretion of the host institution.
2. The following is the format suggested by the ISAA:

Round No. 60cm 40cm compound
1 3 6 7
2 5 7 8
3 7 8 9
4 9 9 Outer 10
5 10 10 Inner 10
6 Closest to centre

3. Guests may, at the discretion of the institution/university running the shoot, win the hot shot

Team and Individual Scores & Prizes at an Intervarsity

1. At an IV, the team score is the sum of the five highest scores shot by the archers of that institution. At least four of the five scores must be from recurve / barebow archers.
2. If two teams have equal scores then the teams are ranked according the total number of hits, then tens and then golds for each team.
3. Prizes will be given to 1st, 2nd and 3rd in each category.a. If there are 3 or less archers in a category, a prize for 1st is sufficient.b. Team prizes will be given to each of the five archers that make up the team score
4. Additional prizes may be presented for guests.

Intervarsity League Prize

1. The League shall be contested across several categories:a. Four individual categories: Male Recurve, Female Recurve, Barebow, Compoundb. A team category
2. At the end of the league prizes will be given to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd in each category a. An individual may only claim a prize in one individual categoryb. For the winning teams, prizes should be given to the 5 individuals who contributed the most points to their teams League score during the season.
3. An institutions score in the team category is the sum of its team scores at each IV competition of that season.
4. The final league score in an individual category is the sum of the top five scores shot by that archer at any IV of that season.
5. If the final score of two teams or individuals are equal, then they are placed according to the team or individual score achieved in the final IV.

If incorrect scores were used to calculate league results an ISAA committee member must be informed at most four weeks after the final IV in order for an amendment to be made.


League Awards

Awards will be given to all archers that achieve the following scores:

350+ in the Beginner Barebow Category
400+ in the Beginner Barebow Category
400+ in the Advanced Barebow Category
450+ in the Advanced Barebow Category
500+ in the Advanced Barebow Category

400+ in the Beginner Recurve Category
400+ in the Advanced Recurve / Compound
450+ in the Advanced Recurve / Compound
500+ in the Advanced Recurve / Compound
550+ in the Advanced Recurve / Compound

Plaques
Plaques will be awarded at the end of the year to each archer breaking the following scores. These prizes are in recognition of a special achievement and may only be claimed once.
500+ in the Advanced Barebow category
550+ in the Advanced Recurve category
565+ in the Compound category

Exceptions

While the above rules are meant to cover most eventualities in the League, exceptions will occur. The ISAA committee may make modifications and exceptions to the rules when it is appropriate.

The League exists to allow archers to compete and enjoy archery. The league rules should reflect this in a way that is fair to all the clubs and archers in the league.

While ever effort should be made to confirm that all institutions are fully aware of the rules, it is the responsibility of each institution to know the rules. Ignorance is not a valid excuse if a rule is broken.

Panserborn

Private Ryan wrote: »

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Having looked into it their is nothing in CUSAI about only having one years grace. (I quote CUSAI as that is where we got the current definition) Also the final few lines of the rules state in we should be finding ways to allow archers to compete not ways of preventing them.
So how do we proceed?

I would personally reckon archers should only have one years grace per lifetime. Just my opinion. The IVs are for students.

Good work putting it all together!

MicS

Private Ryan wrote: »

In order to compete in the beginner section an archer must not have scored more than the following at a competition:

• 399 points with 60 arrows on a 60cm face at 18m
• 339 points with 60 arrows on a 40cm or 3 spot target at 18m.
• 219 points with 36 arrows on an 80cm face at 50m.

Do I understand it correctly that 400+ score in either beginner category (recurve/barebow) means that a person cannot compete in any beginner category anymore? In other words, once advanced somewhere, then advanced everywhere.

tenacious-me

Panserborn wrote: »

I would personally reckon archers should only have one years grace per lifetime. Just my opinion. The IVs are for students.

Good work putting it all together!

I thought we voted that there was only one per lifetime alright, or at least mentioned it at the AGM, not sure now...

MicS wrote: »

Do I understand it correctly that 400+ score in either beginner category (recurve/barebow) means that a person cannot compete in any beginner category anymore? In other words, once advanced somewhere, then advanced everywhere.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the decided upon that once advanced, always advanced!

MicS

New league rules are also posted at http://www.ucd.ie/archery/iv/rules.html

Panserborn

Coming up to the start of the college season I'm just giving this thread a bump so y'all will be reminded to read the documents and rules for the coming IV year. There were a few changes so its worth a refresher.

Good work to all who were involved in the compiling of the rules!!!!

Panserborn

Again,

Just bumping before the new season. Any changes needed just send em on and I'll modify ............

Good luck with the new season!