No Way! (irish times wed, 26th)

studiorat

Whilst grooming Garth in the way of the heathen this evening by way of a discussion on Liturgical music. I got to thinking about the days of yore and the size of the really big Church and State ceremonies.

Church and State, hand in hand, Corpus Christi parades with the Irish Army marching, the Eucharistic Congress in 1932(wordspic) and Pope JP's visit in 1979.

I thought who paid for these things? There were thousands of people at these events, were they were entitled to foot the bill for it through tax. Who knows!

I go to check a speeling of Eucharistic for a google search and lo-and-behold I find this.

Alleluja!!!!

Ahem! considering the carry on in FAS recently and the state of the economy, are we going to see this sort of thing going on now again? or something.

Zillah

It was, they said, their hope "that the 2012 congress will be an opportunity for the Catholic Church in Ireland to reflect on the centrality of the Eucharist at the heart of our increasingly diverse community

A diverse community is fine as long as the Eucharist is at the centre of it. Awesome.


I really hate the Catholic Church.

studiorat

Someone change the date on that thread title! Twit...

Zillah

My alternative response to this thread was: "Yay, finally a chance to rape the Pope!"

Dades

studiorat wrote: »

Someone change the date on that thread title! Twit...

That right now?

toiletduck

London gets the Olympics and we get this, great :pac:

ChocolateSauce

Finally, a chance to show the Pope how apathetic I am!

studiorat

Dades wrote: »

That right now?

need new glasses!
looking at wrong date...

condra

I bags the Flying Spaghetti Monster costume at the protests.

AtomicHorror

Zillah wrote: »

My alternative response to this thread was: "Yay, finally a chance to rape the Pope!"

That would make an awesome slogan for a t-shirt. Wearing it would be the start of the most interesting day ever.

stingray75

it will be interesting to see the public reaction if the government offer any funding.

not that the Crutch is short of cash anyway...

Zamboni

womoma wrote: »

I bags the Flying Spaghetti Monster costume at the protests.

Y'know, if you look closer at the original pic, you can see he attended the first one

condra

Hahaha! PBOH!

studiorat

Spaghetti in Dublin in 1932? Very Unlikely...
Where's the evidence?:D

brianthebard

He told me he was there.

The Mad Hatter

Zamboni wrote: »

Y'know, if you look closer at the original pic, you can see he attended the first one

Amazing how He maketh the air around Him vibrate so that, when photographed from that angle, He seems to be surrounded by a perfectly square ion field.

kelly1

studiorat wrote: »

Whilst grooming Garth in the way of the heathen this evening by way of a discussion on Liturgical music. I got to thinking about the days of yore and the size of the really big Church and State ceremonies.

Church and State, hand in hand, Corpus Christi parades with the Irish Army marching, the Eucharistic Congress in 1932(wordspic) and Pope JP's visit in 1979.

I thought who paid for these things? There were thousands of people at these events, were they were entitled to foot the bill for it through tax. Who knows!

I go to check a speeling of Eucharistic for a google search and lo-and-behold I find this.

Alleluja!!!!

Ahem! considering the carry on in FAS recently and the state of the economy, are we going to see this sort of thing going on now again? or something.

Begrudgery is alive and well on this forum I see. I assume you won't be in attendance so why does it bother you? Would you be upset if taxpayers money was spent on an atheist conference?

Or are you really hard-up for something to discuss?

Zillah

kelly1 wrote: »

Would you be upset if taxpayers money was spent on an atheist conference?

Yes.

kelly1

Zillah wrote: »

Yes.

I doubt that. Anyway who says taxpayers money will be spent on it?

Zamboni

kelly1 wrote: »

Or are you really hard-up for something to discuss?

The capital city being used to stage some medieval circus?
Of course it worthwhile discussing. :rolleyes:

Zillah

kelly1 wrote: »

I doubt that.

Why even ask if you're just going to dismiss a straight forward answer? We're not all capable of double think.

AtomicHorror

kelly1 wrote: »

Would you be upset if taxpayers money was spent on an atheist conference?

Of course we'd find it very strange, but who turns down free money? I'd say it would be reasonable for other groups to question why we'd get it though. Why would we expect such funding?

CerebralCortex

kelly1 wrote: »

Begrudgery is alive and well on this forum I see. I assume you won't be in attendance so why does it bother you? Would you be upset if taxpayers money was spent on an atheist conference?

Or are you really hard-up for something to discuss?

We are entitled to discuss the fact that unfortunately Ireland is associated with the catholic church. Would you not agree?

kelly1

CerebralCortex wrote: »

We are entitled to discuss the fact that unfortunately Ireland is associated with the catholic church. Would you not agree?

In this day and age, the Church is just another voice among many. Long gone are the days when the state shows deference to the Catholic faith.

What's wrong with having a Eucharistic congress? Should Catholics be denied freedom of expression?

kelly1

Zillah wrote: »

Why even ask if you're just going to dismiss a straight forward answer? We're not all capable of double think.

Fair point if one is being entirely fair. But I can well imagine how atheists wouldn't be too concerned about where funding for the advancement of their chosen ideology would come from. We're all subject to bias. But as soon as something promoting the Catholic faith comes along, objections are immediately raised. Although in this case, 6 months late.

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Of course we'd find it very strange, but who turns down free money? I'd say it would be reasonable for other groups to question why we'd get it though. Why would we expect such funding?

I wouldn't expect the taxpayer to fund it but who says it is being funded by the tax-payer?

Wacker

kelly1 wrote: »

Long gone are the days when the state shows deference to the Catholic faith.

Well in that case, and seeing as it is coming up in a few weeks, I'll look forward to heading to the pub at about seven p.m. on Christmas Day to kill the boredom that sets in after all the eating & exchanging of gifts.

Oh wait, hang on.....

rockbeer

kelly1 wrote: »

But I can well imagine how atheists wouldn't be too concerned about where funding for the advancement of their chosen ideology would come from.

I would have thought you'd been around these boards long enough now to have got over these petty misrepresentations.

From the Compact Oxford Dictionary:
Ideology
• noun (pl. ideologies) 1 a system of ideas and ideals forming the basis of an economic or political theory. 2 the set of beliefs characteristic of a social group or individual.

Atheism an ideology? That's like calling not liking carrots a philosophy.

When will you christians understand that atheism isn't a system or a set of beliefs?

kelly1

rockbeer wrote: »

When will you christians understand that atheism isn't a system or a set of beliefs?

Pure atheism means a simple lack of belief. It's clear from this forum that many so-called atheists are actually anti-theistic. From what I've seen very few atheists are prepared to accept that belief in God is valid.

BJC

kelly1 wrote: »

I doubt that. Anyway who says taxpayers money will be spent on it?

No one did.

kelly1 wrote: »

In this day and age, the Church is just another voice among many. Long gone are the days when the state shows deference to the Catholic faith.

What's wrong with having a Eucharistic congress? Should Catholics be denied freedom of expression?

Whats wrong with it is that most likely the whole of the city will come to a standstill for it.

I've no problem with it if we can stick him in the o2 arena or simmons court. After all, thats where we put all other forms of light entertainment.

AtomicHorror

kelly1 wrote: »

Fair point if one is being entirely fair. But I can well imagine how atheists wouldn't be too concerned about where funding for the advancement of their chosen ideology would come from.

Speculation. Also, so what?

kelly1 wrote: »

I wouldn't expect the taxpayer to fund it but who says it is being funded by the tax-payer?

I was responding to a question you asked. I wasn't suggesting either event would be.

Galvasean

kelly1 wrote: »

In this day and age, the Church is just another voice among many. Long gone are the days when the state shows deference to the Catholic faith.

My stamp collection disagrees.

rockbeer

kelly1 wrote: »

Pure atheism means a simple lack of belief. It's clear from this forum that many so-called atheists are actually anti-theistic. From what I've seen very few atheists are prepared to accept that belief in God is valid.

It kind of goes with the territory that somebody who doesn't believe in god is going to find such a belief 'invalid'. That's still not an ideology.

What do you mean by invalid anyway?

Dades

From the article regarding the recent Quebec congress:

It marked the 400th anniversary of the founding of that city and was attended by crowds estimated at 12,000-15,000 people.

That's hardly an affair to get hot under the collar about. A lot more people than that went to Top Gear last week and it hardly ground the city to a halt. If anything there'll be money to be made from all the foreign trippers in spending their congregation's cash.

"While the theme for the next congress has yet to be finalised, we are deeply conscious that 2012 also marks the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council," they said.

So instead of griping, we could help out by coming up with a good "theme" for the event.
I'm thinking Satanic Sluts!

ChocolateSauce

kelly1 wrote: »

Fair point if one is being entirely fair. But I can well imagine how atheists wouldn't be too concerned about where funding for the advancement of their chosen ideology would come from. We're all subject to bias. But as soon as something promoting the Catholic faith comes along, objections are immediately raised. Although in this case, 6 months late.

If this is truly what you think, you have badly misjudged us. I wouldn't accept money from the government to promote atheism, not because I wouldn't like it but because doing so would not only be unfair on those who did not agree, but it would make me a hypocrite.

It is a sad reflection on yourself that you would misjudge atheists as unscrupulous double-standard holders.

Cactus Col

kelly1 wrote: »

I doubt that. Anyway who says taxpayers money will be spent on it?

Just crazy Atheists making assumptions again. Need to complain about something, so may as well make something up to complain about.

Although, it does make sense for either the govt or dublin council to welcome the Congress with open arms. After all it's a big event which will draw tens of thousands of people to the city.

Whispered

Dades wrote: »

I'm thinking Satanic Sluts!

Any respect I had for you....gone.

RichTea

toiletduck wrote: »

London gets the Olympics and we get this, great :pac:

I'm telling ya, they got the raw deal!

Dades

helena.ryan wrote: »

Any respect I had for you....gone.

Helena, I'm hoping you just missed out on the Late Late thread which was ongoing at the time - see Fanny Craddocks post here.

I was just being "current". :pac:

studiorat

kelly1 wrote: »

Begrudgery is alive and well on this forum I see. I assume you won't be in attendance so why does it bother you? Would you be upset if taxpayers money was spent on an atheist conference?

Or are you really hard-up for something to discuss?

Hi Kelly san,
I was looking at the wrong date on the Irish Times article, I actually thought it was news at the time.

Anyway the congress in 1932 does interest me from an historical point of view. The photo is pretty spectacular, I think you'll agree. I was wondering who funded such things amongst other things. I reckoned if there was as many people as say the Phoenix park in 1979, why wouldn't they be entitled to have it come from their tax? democracy and all that lark.

So apart from trying to motivate a little discussion on the matter, there actually is a genuine interest in the thing.

My protest at the bottom of the OP was purely in jest, I think you'll see that if you read it again.

I meant "No Way!" in a "Bill and Ted" kind of "No Way!". As opposed to an Ian Paisley kind of "No Way!":)


To finish, I'm not sure how the Catholic Church in Ireland makes it's money these days but if money was being spent by Govnt. for such an event. I would also like to see funding for the pursuit of promoting purely secular agendas too.

UU

BJC wrote: »

No one did.



Whats wrong with it is that most likely the whole of the city will come to a standstill for it.

I've no problem with it if we can stick him in the o2 arena or simmons court. After all, thats where we put all other forms of light entertainment.

Oh my dear, you had me laughing for five minutes after reading that! lol Well the RDS could work too!

- Hey I'm gonna buy a ticket to see the Pope in the RDS, what about you? lol (as if!)