How will the 'Credit Crunch' affect music?

PaulBrewer

Things ain't great in the world with the ole Credit Crunch and all....
It's pretty clear at this stage that the next few years are going to be tough for all.

But is there an upside? Is 'Bad Times' the fuel for good music?

When I were a boy punk, ska, new wave all came out of what was then a pretty grim situation.

Will the current 'Hard Times' get rid of all the airy fairyness that's been a feature on the Irish scene (The Frames/Damien Rice et al) for the last 10 or so years and bring a return to a more aggressive angry music that has a more pragmatic real world outlook ?

Huh? Well?

dav nagle

Funny you mention this..
I sat down with my builder last night, he gave me a construction quote at cost price. The cost of starting a business as we all know is very high (construction/sound proofing/lounge/furniture/rent). The builder asked me 'are you sure in this climate you can pay your rent and loan off?'. The answer was of course 'no'. So I am going to spend some money on target marketing just to see in January/February what the 'music spending climate and financial climate' is like before I invest a large sum of money into my new business. In this uncertain climate I cannot afford to make a wrong step or I could be sitting at home paying off bank debts for the next 5-7 years. If the target marketing plan works out and the phone is hopping off the wall then I will certainly make the move I have always dreamed of. One thing is for sure, it will get worse after christmas. Employment is at 7% and growing and people are hasty in spending money. However, on a more positive note, parents will always pay for music for their children regardless of the times. I would rather loose €2K then loose €50K. I am playing it safe, not rushing in like a bull in a china shop. God since when did I become this sensible?

PaulBrewer

dav nagle wrote: »

Employment is at 7%

My, things ARE bad ...

dav nagle

PaulBrewer wrote: »

My, things ARE bad ...

Tut tut, nearly one in every 10 have no job and highly qualified people in media are leaving this Country.

I hear Westland studios bookings are up 30%.

That means bands are spending their money on studio time regardless.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

ahhh maaannnn


its been DONE

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055398157

dav nagle

DaDumTish wrote: »

ahhh maaannnn


its been DONE

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055398157

Yes but it will only really be done when we see what the financial climate will be like in 2009 for the music industry.

DamagedTrax

as paul said, some of the greatest forms of music worn born from hard times - r'n'b was (for want of a better term) black music and was heavily influenced by what blacks were going thru in the early years of the century.
rock'n'roll came big when a missplaced youth needed something of their own in the 50's.
physcedelic was a direct consequence of government policies, war etc in the 60's.
punk, ska in the 70's.
electronic dance, while always around, really came to prominance during the rave/E scene of the 90's mostly flamed by tatchers government destroying the lives of working class families and the need for a form of escape from the daily drudge.

we need a new musical revolution and with a little luck this recession may be the catalyst for just that.. heres to hoping anyway.

Rockshamrover

I have noticed recently that musical gear is taking a lot longer to sell on Adverts.ie. It also looks like people are having to drop their prices a good bit to get a sale.

That's good and bad in one. Good if you have a secure job and can pick up some bargains. Bad if you have to sell your prized collection of gear to feed the kids.:mad:

PaulBrewer

Rockshamrover wrote: »

I have noticed recently that musical gear is taking a lot longer to sell on Adverts.ie. It also looks like people are having to drop their prices a good bit to get a sale.

That's good and bad in one. Good if you have a secure job and can pick up some bargains. Bad if you have to sell your prized collection of gear to feed the kids.:mad:

I've seen that too.

henessjon

Im being curtailed on spending

bet most people are.... fear of losing job next year

if there are really good deals then I'll jump on them bet i wont be the 1st in line,,,

musically i already notice uni bands proporting to be violent metal so I predict 2nd generation punk scene too-

PaulBrewer

henessjon wrote: »

I predict 2nd generation punk scene too-

I like a bit of shouting and roaring and general giving out myself. I look forward to suchlike!

frobisher

Rockshamrover wrote: »

I have noticed recently that musical gear is taking a lot longer to sell on Adverts.ie. It also looks like people are having to drop their prices a good bit to get a sale.

That's good and bad in one. Good if you have a secure job and can pick up some bargains. Bad if you have to sell your prized collection of gear to feed the kids.:mad:

Keep it simple. Don't feed the kids and just buy some gear.

PaulBrewer

Look, the kids will find their own food. Gear is much more important.

dav nagle

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Look, the kids will find their own food. Gear is much more important.

Yes I just got myself a wee christmas present at a good price


http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=80496&cat=16

I am going to use my Portico as my Pre amp and then use the eq and comp off this unit.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

yes you did you c**t , I had me eye on that ;-)

dav nagle

DaDumTish wrote: »

yes you did you c**t , I had me eye on that ;-)

I don't waste any time when it comes to getting mint condition items half price :)

PaulBrewer

dav nagle wrote: »

I don't waste any time when it comes to getting mint condition items half price :)

Wha you get Dav?

dav nagle

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Wha you get Dav?

http://www.tlaudio.co.uk/docs_07/product_07/5052.shtml


That as my EQ AND COMP
PORTICO AS MY PRE
APOGEE AS MY CONVERTER

PaulBrewer

Junk.

PaulBrewer

Only jokin!

dav nagle

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Junk.

Thanks Paul I am in tears :P:P:eek::eek::eek:

dav nagle

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Only jokin!

Bet your not though :rolleyes:

RealEstateKing

In music terms what has the largest sustained bubble in Economic history given us in the Western World?

It seems that there are now 4 main types of music in existence:

(1) 19 Year - old blonde nymphet shakes ass and sings songs about money and ****ing. All of the lyrics can basically be boiled down to "Buy my overproduced album and I swear Ill sleep with you." Sometimes this kitten is cloned 5 times and made into a group, but the content is largely the same. All are indebted to whichever genius it was that came up with the idea that there was something feminist and empowering about writhing around in undergarments for men's pleasure.


(2) Big black dude with lots of money. He would like to find as many ways as possible to tell you just how much money he has, how many things it can buy him (with brand names included), and how attractive this makes him with the ladies. He probably has a few stories about being shot to make him sound 'street' as well. This resonates with his target audience: Young overpriveleged kids, ashamed of growing up in plush suburbs, who wish to walk on the aural wild-side for 50 minutes.

(3) Young twig-like men, skinny, in skinny jeans, skinny ties, amd skinny haircuts, play skinny tunes on skinny guitars. They find it hard to see their fretboards cause their fringes get in the way. Most of the songs are about how difficult it is to have to go out drinking in nightclubs all the time.

(4) Sensitive emotional guy, has found a way to moisten gussets from Johennesburg to San Francisco, by singing songs that are designed by teams of highly-trained psychologists to be EXACTLY what any insecure young woman from 15-40 wants to hear. Thus lyrics are usually about both how beautiful the listener is, and (paradoxically), how it's inner beauty that really matters. Some of these guys are so sensitive and melancholy, that they remain melencholy even after becoming a multimillionaire and marrying Gwyneth Paltrow.

This being the outlook, I say , roll on the recession, depression, war, cataclsmic global warming, plague, famine or whatever you else you've got: Its gotta be better than "I kissed a girl and I liked It."

dav nagle

RealEstateKing wrote: »

In music terms what has the largest sustained bubble in Economic history given us in the Western World?

It seems that there are now 4 main types of music in existence:

(1) 19 Year - old blonde nymphet shakes ass and sings songs about money and ****ing. All of the lyrics can basically be boiled down to "Buy my overproduced album and I swear Ill sleep with you." Sometimes this kitten is cloned 5 times and made into a group, but the content is largely the same. All are indebted to whichever genius it was that came up with the idea that there was something feminist and empowering about writhing around in undergarments for men's pleasure.


(2) Big black dude with lots of money. He would like to find as many ways as possible to tell you just how much money he has, how many things it can buy him (with brand names included), and how attractive this makes him with the ladies. He probably has a few stories about being shot to make him sound 'street' as well. This resonates with his target audience: Young overpriveleged kids, ashamed of growing up in plush suburbs, who wish to walk on the aural wild-side for 50 minutes.

(3) Young twig-like men, skinny, in skinny jeans, skinny ties, amd skinny haircuts, play skinny tunes on skinny guitars. They find it hard to see their fretboards cause their fringes get in the way. Most of the songs are about how difficult it is to have to go out drinking in nightclubs all the time.

(4) Sensitive emotional guy, has found a way to moisten gussets from Johennesburg to San Francisco, by singing songs that are designed by teams of highly-trained psychologists to be EXACTLY what any insecure young woman from 15-40 wants to hear. Thus lyrics are usually about both how beautiful the listener is, and (paradoxically), how it's inner beauty that really matters. Some of these guys are so sensitive and melancholy, that they remain melencholy even after becoming a multimillionaire and marrying Gwyneth Paltrow.

This being the outlook, I say , roll on the recession, depression, war, cataclsmic global warming, plague, famine or whatever you else you've got: Its gotta be better than "I kissed a girl and I liked It."

Funniest post ever!

frobisher

RealEstateKing wrote: »

In music terms what has the largest sustained bubble in Economic history given us in the Western World?

It seems that there are now 4 main types of music in existence:

(1) 19 Year - old blonde nymphet shakes ass and sings songs about money and ****ing. All of the lyrics can basically be boiled down to "Buy my overproduced album and I swear Ill sleep with you." Sometimes this kitten is cloned 5 times and made into a group, but the content is largely the same. All are indebted to whichever genius it was that came up with the idea that there was something feminist and empowering about writhing around in undergarments for men's pleasure.


(2) Big black dude with lots of money. He would like to find as many ways as possible to tell you just how much money he has, how many things it can buy him (with brand names included), and how attractive this makes him with the ladies. He probably has a few stories about being shot to make him sound 'street' as well. This resonates with his target audience: Young overpriveleged kids, ashamed of growing up in plush suburbs, who wish to walk on the aural wild-side for 50 minutes.

(3) Young twig-like men, skinny, in skinny jeans, skinny ties, amd skinny haircuts, play skinny tunes on skinny guitars. They find it hard to see their fretboards cause their fringes get in the way. Most of the songs are about how difficult it is to have to go out drinking in nightclubs all the time.

(4) Sensitive emotional guy, has found a way to moisten gussets from Johennesburg to San Francisco, by singing songs that are designed by teams of highly-trained psychologists to be EXACTLY what any insecure young woman from 15-40 wants to hear. Thus lyrics are usually about both how beautiful the listener is, and (paradoxically), how it's inner beauty that really matters. Some of these guys are so sensitive and melancholy, that they remain melencholy even after becoming a multimillionaire and marrying Gwyneth Paltrow.

This being the outlook, I say , roll on the recession, depression, war, cataclsmic global warming, plague, famine or whatever you else you've got: Its gotta be better than "I kissed a girl and I liked It."

MP post of the year!!!

henessjon

RealEstateKing wrote: »

In music terms what has the largest sustained bubble in Economic history given us in the Western World?

It seems that there are now 4 main types of music in existence:

(1) 19 Year - old blonde nymphet shakes ass and sings songs about money and ****ing. All of the lyrics can basically be boiled down to "Buy my overproduced album and I swear Ill sleep with you." Sometimes this kitten is cloned 5 times and made into a group, but the content is largely the same. All are indebted to whichever genius it was that came up with the idea that there was something feminist and empowering about writhing around in undergarments for men's pleasure.


(2) Big black dude with lots of money. He would like to find as many ways as possible to tell you just how much money he has, how many things it can buy him (with brand names included), and how attractive this makes him with the ladies. He probably has a few stories about being shot to make him sound 'street' as well. This resonates with his target audience: Young overpriveleged kids, ashamed of growing up in plush suburbs, who wish to walk on the aural wild-side for 50 minutes.

(3) Young twig-like men, skinny, in skinny jeans, skinny ties, amd skinny haircuts, play skinny tunes on skinny guitars. They find it hard to see their fretboards cause their fringes get in the way. Most of the songs are about how difficult it is to have to go out drinking in nightclubs all the time.

(4) Sensitive emotional guy, has found a way to moisten gussets from Johennesburg to San Francisco, by singing songs that are designed by teams of highly-trained psychologists to be EXACTLY what any insecure young woman from 15-40 wants to hear. Thus lyrics are usually about both how beautiful the listener is, and (paradoxically), how it's inner beauty that really matters. Some of these guys are so sensitive and melancholy, that they remain melencholy even after becoming a multimillionaire and marrying Gwyneth Paltrow.

This being the outlook, I say , roll on the recession, depression, war, cataclsmic global warming, plague, famine or whatever you else you've got: Its gotta be better than "I kissed a girl and I liked It."

Now where do i fit in here!

aging -fat - wannabee-

Valcin

Yeah, the last 20 years of economic prosperity has given us way too many middle class, skinny jeaned, art school, "hair cut" bands coming out of the UK. Hopefully a bit of pain and torture will bring bank some working class music.

The working classes in the UK(happy mondays, the specials, the jam, madness etc.) have been too busy working the last 20 years.

Second generation Irish are assimilated in to society so have no anger in them to form great bands(Sex pistols, pogues, The smiths etc.)

The second generation carribeans(Linton Kwesi johnson, reggae, ska, huge influence on dance music like drum n' bass, jungle etc.) have been accepted and are working away too so have little to be singing about either.

The art school, "hair cut" bands have given us some great music but its all a bit too safe for me.

Hopefully a bit of economic depression will create all sorts of social problems, dividing their society causing widespread civil disobedience, anger, leading to a disenfranchised youth who give us a few good tunes. Is it too much to ask for?

In ireland all through our economic prosperity, in my opinion, there has not been one great album made, not one(Can anyone name one since the mid 90's?). A few o.k. bands but not one great album.
But then two months after ireland is declared in recession R.S.A.G. released Organic Sampler which i think is the greatest Irish album since either Whipping Boy- Heartworm or My bloody Valentine- Loveless. So if thats a sign of things to come,im looking forward to it (but not looking forward to being jobless, bored, broke, disenfranchised, repressed and depressed though).

dav nagle

Valcin wrote: »

Yeah, the last 20 years of economic prosperity has given us way too many middle class, skinny jeaned, art school, "hair cut" bands coming out of the UK. Hopefully a bit of pain and torture will bring bank some working class music.

The working classes in the UK(happy mondays, the specials, the jam, madness etc.) have been too busy working the last 20 years.

Second generation Irish are assimilated in to society so have no anger in them to form great bands(Sex pistols, pogues, The smiths etc.)

The second generation carribeans(Linton Kwesi johnson, reggae, ska, huge influence on dance music like drum n' bass, jungle etc.) have been accepted and are working away too so have little to be singing about either.

The art school, "hair cut" bands have given us some great music but its all a bit too safe for me.

Hopefully a bit of economic depression will create all sorts of social problems, dividing their society causing widespread civil disobedience, anger, leading to a disenfranchised youth who give us a few good tunes. Is it too much to ask for?

In ireland all through our economic prosperity, in my opinion, there has not been one great album made, not one(Can anyone name one since the mid 90's?). A few o.k. bands but not one great album.
But then two months after ireland is declared in recession R.S.A.G. released Organic Sampler which i think is the greatest Irish album since either Whipping Boy- Heartworm or My bloody Valentine- Loveless. So if thats a sign of things to come,im looking forward to it (but not looking forward to being jobless, bored, broke, disenfranchised, repressed and depressed though).

Surely you heard the Blizzards album ??

dav nagle

Only jokin!:P

frobisher

dav nagle wrote: »

Surely you heard the Blizzards album ??

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

PaulBrewer

dav nagle wrote: »

Bet your not though :rolleyes:

Never heard one so I don't know ...

PaulBrewer

Valcin wrote: »

Hopefully a bit of economic depression will create all sorts of social problems, dividing their society causing widespread civil disobedience, anger, leading to a disenfranchised youth who give us a few good tunes. Is it too much to ask for?

Well is it? No ! I say!!

Rockshamrover

But then again, this recession could herald the return of THE SHOWBANDS.

PaulBrewer

RealEstateKing wrote: »

(4) Sensitive emotional guy,

That's me ...

dav nagle

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Never heard one so I don't know ...

I am particularly interested in sending the unit to my master bus for some analogue EQ & warmth and compression and maybe even some brick wall limiting. Something I have never done before. Nearly everything has been done in the box and I need something warm with lot's of knobs and plenty of good reviews to see what can be done about this digital manifesto.

RealEstateKing

This is the first recession since the internet became widespread.

The last time there was a massive economic problems in these parts, there was bugger all to do BUT play in a band: No iPods, no free downloadable music, no Computer Games (Well you had to wait 10 minutes for one to load on your C64) and most of all: No internet!

No wonder the great mass of the Jobless turned to cold band rehearsals in cheap , ratty condemned buildings: There was only football and drink to help you otherwise (Sex hadn't been invented in Ireland yet either, remember)

So is all that creativity gonna end up on message boards like this one?

PaulBrewer

Rockshamrover wrote: »

But then again, this recession could herald the return of THE SHOWBANDS.

They paid my rent many times over the the years!!

carlos@gigevent

Gotta say, as a small music promoter, I'm almost happy about this recession... It's back to basics again. Cheap/free gigs, and pubs & venues that NEED quality (and marginalised) entertainment again to drag in punters. They can stop screwing everybody for a while.
I was poor, I'm still poor, so no fooking difference to me at the moment - let's at least have some fun!

PaulBrewer

Carlos, good point!

Now your banned for shameless self promotion ...












.... only jokin.

carlos@gigevent

I feel all dirty now... Lol!

deathronan

Thin Lizzy, the recessionfest that was the 80's in Ireland, things are lookin up i'd say

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Savman

carlos@gigevent wrote: »

I'm almost happy about this recession

Wouldn't go shouting that around a builder's yard.

trackmixstudio

I presume you mean:
How will the credit crunch AFFECT music
I have seen Brewer do his English teacher bit here before so I had to pull him up!
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/affect.html

If you want to use the word effect, you would say:
What effect will.....

C Minus.
Must try harder:p

PaulBrewer

trackmixstudio wrote: »

I presume you mean:
How will the credit crunch AFFECT music
I have seen Brewer do his English teacher bit here before so I had to pull him up!
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/affect.html

If you want to use the word effect, you would say:
What effect will.....

C Minus.
Must try harder:p

And quite right too !

.... and one of my favourite albums Sound Affects by the Jam ...

I stand humbly corrected - and still don't understand the difference.

trackmixstudio

Yeah!
"Sound affects" is an VERY clever album title.

How will a waves L2 effect my mix?
It will reduce the dynamic range and make it louder.

How will a waves L2 affect my mix?
It will make it sound like distorted sh1te.

PaulBrewer

trackmixstudio wrote: »

Yeah!
"Sound affects" is an VERY clever album title.

How will a waves L2 effect my mix?
It will reduce the dynamic range and make it louder.

How will a waves L2 affect my mix?
It will make it sound like distorted sh1te.

Ah! Better not use it then ...;)