Come on Paulie

efb

Just throwing it out there, getting behind my stablemate Paulie. (GO to Gleesons when Im in NYC)

Malignaggi points FTW!!!!

Anywhre you can see it online???

(I really dont like the Ricky Hatton Hype, its as bad as haye or Calzaghe, but everyone loves Hatton)

Hatton's like Bertie, he fights dirty but we forgive him cos he's so lovable, Cowen's like Calzaghe, unbeaten record, but doesnt dazzle, always gives 100% workmanlike performance, but not good enough cos he's not a Dub (English) and David Haye is like Richrd Bruton, been down before but looks good in a piss poor league, Cruizer, (Opp), and yet to prove himself at heavy (Gov). Enda Kenny's like bernard Dunne, only his own like him, knocked down easly, won a cheap European Election (Title), but chinny...

cowzerp

jesus, who's gerry adams? I think you overthinking this 1.

Running Bing

Nearly every time I have seen Ricky he has talked about Oscar in Wembley......very stupid man if he is looking past this fight.


Nobody would deny he is the favourite but Paulie is no bum, he's a bloody good fighter with enough speed to really do some damage to Ricky. If he has underestimated Malignaggi he will pay for it.


Having said that I think the change of trainer was an excellent move and in training Ricky looks sharper than ever imo (from what I have seen). Dont know who's going to win this one and I really dont know who I want to win it. I just hope its a good fight and I have a feeling it will be a cracker.

bassy

theres only one ricky hatton,one ricky hattonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

hatton win.

efb

cowzerp wrote: »

jesus, who's gerry adams? I think you overthinking this 1.

Bernard Hopkins (The Executioner). Nasty, but has a hardcore following that love him, alot tamer of late...

bassy

hopkins is a mouth piece,joe firmly shut him up

Bernard Hopkins

Eh?

Running Bing

efb wrote: »

Bernard Hopkins (The Executioner). Nasty, but has a hardcore following that love him, alot tamer of late...

Hmmm, I was thinking Tyson.....a violent past but has mellowed in recent times. Plus no matter what you think of him personally nobody can deny he was good at what he did.;)

efb

maybe Tyson in the fact he was Mr Ruthless and now he's a spent force. Michael Carruth is John Bruton, you all know how that one goes...

T-K-O

Hype - Hatton don't be ridiculous.

Hatton is by far the best light welter in the world NOBODY can touch him.

efb

And who could touch Joe at Supermiddle??
Tszyu came out of retirement to fight Hatton for the title and retired R12 after a very close fight. Calzaghe demolished RJJ but it didnt count cos RJJ was a spent force. Hatton couldn't cut the mustard at proper welter either.

Big Ears

efb wrote: »

And who could touch Joe and Supermiddle??
Tszyu came out of retirement to fight Hatton for the title and retired R12 after a very close fight. Calzaghe demolished RJJ but it didnt count cos RJJ was a spent forse. Hatton couldn't cut the mustard at proper welter either.

The only bit of that which is true is the last sentence, and he still managed to win at a very reasonable standard(Luis Collazo).

Tszyu has never officially retired I believe and he was coming off one of the most destructive and impressive wins of his career before Hatton. Destroying Sharmba Mitchell with ease.

Tszyu unlike Jones wasn't a spent force at the time of the fight and possibly could of beaten every other Light-Welterweight that night.

efb

he had retired before mitchell and like all boxers didnt stay retired. Mitchell was only a warm up for Hatton anyway, I dont really think the Callazo fight relflected well on Hatton if memory serves.

Running Bing

What does Calzaghe have to do with anything?


Their both great fighters and nobody has said otherwise. The reason Hatton gets more attention and support is because he is simply the more exciting (and arguably comes across as the more likeable) fighter.


If you feel Hatton is overhyped and so is JC thats fine, you obviously have very high standards. But if you fell Ricky is over hyped and JC is not then that comes across to me as bitter and misguided.


Personally I feel neither fighter is over hyped and I give both the respect they deserve.....but like I said dont see what Calzaghe has to do with anything

efb

efb wrote: »

(I really dont like the Ricky Hatton Hype, its as bad as haye or Calzaghe, but everyone loves Hatton)

That answer your question?

(Im probably bitter as a person anyway, but not misguided )

Big Ears

efb wrote: »

he had retired before mitchell and like all boxers didnt stay retired. Mitchell was only a warm up for Hatton anyway, I dont really think the Callazo fight relflected well on Hatton if memory serves.

Well that really is revising history. Mitchell was the #2 in the division at the time of the second Tszyu fight and many people were expecting him to get the better of Tszyu(especially considering how their first fight went).
Hatton meanwhile was given no chance across the Atlantic and a 50/50 chance over this side. Mitchell was certainly not a warm up for him and if you were to ask the whole World who has a better chance of beating Tszyu pre Mitchell II, 99%(probably more) would of said Mitchell over Hatton.

Tszyu didn't retire after Leija, he merely said it may be his last fight. In the same way Calzaghe said Jones may be his last fight. He was scheduled to fight Mitchell in February of 2004 but got injured and it happened in November instead.


It certainly was a struggle against Collazo, but if you go up in weight and beat a top 10 fighter, who holds a belt himself then you're not doing bad. Especially considering Hatton had 6 weeks to do it as Juan Lazcano was the original opponent and that was at Light-Welterweight. Hatton had no time to properly move up.

walshb

I wasted the time on that pile of crap the other night. Paulie was a disgrace with nothing to offer. He had nothing but a straight JAB?

Hatton wasn't all that better, even though Mal was so spoiling and negative.

I will never predict another fight. BTW, I didn't think they should have pulled him out!

The warm up fight was great. Kirkland was very impressive; super puncher and
a great chin.

Those two super bantams were also very impressive. Hard and fast and powerful
punchers!

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

I wasted the time on that pile of crap the other night. Paulie was a disgrace with nothing to offer. He had nothing but a straight JAB?

Hatton wasn't all that better, even though Mal was so spoiling and negative.

I will never predict another fight. BTW, I didn't think they should have pulled him out!

The warm up fight was great. Kirkland was very impressive; super puncher and
a great chin.

Those two super bantams were also very impressive. Hard and fast and powerful
punchers!

That could be a good idea - didnt you predict that Paulie would stop the best light welter in the world Ricky Hatton.

Paulie has about 3-4 KO's against "tomato cans"

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

That could be a good idea - didnt you predict that Paulie would stop the best light welter in the world Ricky Hatton.

Paulie has about 3-4 KO's against "tomato cans"

Yeah, I did!

I also placed 25 Euro on a draw. Mal barely threw a right hand all night.

I was thinking Hatton may succumb to cuts and lose via TKO.
It doesn't take dynamite to inflict cuts; just accuracy and
accumulation. Paulie had neither!

This bout is NO indicator of Hatton's continued success. I still think the guy
is past his peak and it shows.

I re watched the Tsyzu fight and could never see Hatton
beating a prime Tsyzu. In their actual fight, Tsyzu landed
so many clean and flush shots.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Yeah, I did!

I also placed 25 Euro on a draw. Mal barely threw a right hand all night.

I was thinking Hatton may succumb to cuts and lose via TKO.
It doesn't take dynamite to inflict cuts; just accuracy and
accumulation. Paulie had neither!

This bout is NO indicator of Hatton's continued success. I still think the guy
is past his peak and it shows.

I re watched the Tsyzu fight and could never see Hatton
beating a prime Tsyzu. In their actual fight, Tsyzu landed
so many clean and flush shots.

A prime Tszyu is a tough match up for anyone - Hatton beat him, It's not Ricky's fault Tsyzu was coming to the end.

Paulie was never going to cause Ricky any trouble - he simply doesn't have the power and Ricky does not cut that easy.

How can you say it's no indicator ?? Maybe Ricky is declining slightly but still the man at 140 - he just destroyed his nearest rival. Remember Cotto struggled with this guy, while Cotto clearly won the fight he took a lot of shots in doing so and Paulie was competitve until the end.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

A prime Tszyu is a tough match up for anyone - Hatton beat him, It's not Ricky's fault Tsyzu was coming to the end.

Paulie was never going to cause Ricky any trouble - he simply doesn't have the power and Ricky does not cut that easy.

How can you say it's no indicator ?? Maybe Ricky is declining slightly but still the man at 140 - he just destroyed his nearest rival. Remember Cotto struggled with this guy, while Cotto clearly won the fight he took a lot of shots in doing so and Paulie was competitve until the end.

Best man at 140? Where did I say he was NOT?

He may well be; but he's still past his peak. I see it and I see it clearly.

Paulie was simply atrocious and I have never seen such a negative negative
approach. I don't even think it was due to Hatton. Paulie just didn't want to know.

BTW, that is NOT Ricky's fault. He did what he had to.

Ref Tsyzu. Again, did I mention it was Hatton's fault?

I just noted that in their actual bout, it was clear to me, anyway, that Tsyzu was
considerably past it and Ricky was at PEAK. The bout took a hell of
a lot out of Ricky. I do not see Hatton making the distance
if Tsyzu was 5-6 years younger. That's all!

I think you are trying to disagree with something that is not
a disagreeable subject.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Best man at 140? Where did I say he was NOT?

He may well be; but he's still past his peak. I see it and I see it clearly.

Paulie was simply atrocious and I have never seen such a negative negative
approach. I don't even think it was due to Hatton. Paulie just didn't want to know.

BTW, that is NOT Ricky's fault. He did what he had to.

Ref Tsyzu. Again, did I mention it was Hatton's fault?

I just noted that in their actual bout, it was clear to me, anyway, that Tsyzu was
considerably past it and Ricky was at PEAK. The bout took a hell of
a lot out of Ricky. I do not see Hatton making the distance
if Tsyzu was 5-6 years younger. That's all!

I think you are trying to disagree with something that is not
a disagreeable subject.

Where did I say you said he wasn't ?? what

The fight was a clear indicator that Ricky is still the man at 140.
It's very easy to say Tszyu is considerably past it now but before the fight he was still the man. Anyway that is boxing - guys peaking and getting old.

Paulie was bad but it was All to do with Hatton. Paulie had a decent first round but from the second on he felt the pressure and power of Hatton and simply couldnt handle it.

Hatton got a lot of abuse after his last fight and he deserves the credit after this one.

Big Ears

Tszyu is possibly the greatest Light-Welterweight ever(in contention with Aaron Pryor and Julio Cesar Chavez), he was not prime against Hatton but he had plenty left.

Sure Hatton wouldn't have beaten a prime Tszyu, but then again it's possible no one(at 140 or below) could either.

Hatton isn't at his absolute peak anymore but is far from past it, he's got plenty left and has enough to beat any other 140 lb'er at the moment.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Where did I say you said he wasn't ?? what

The fight was a clear indicator that Ricky is still the man at 140.
It's very easy to say Tszyu is considerably past it now but before the fight he was still the man. Anyway that is boxing - guys peaking and getting old.

Paulie was bad but it was All to do with Hatton. Paulie had a decent first round but from the second on he felt the pressure and power of Hatton and simply couldnt handle it.

Hatton got a lot of abuse after his last fight and he deserves the credit after this one.

If Paulie is the number 2, then YES, it is most definitely a clear indicator of Hatton being number 1. However, it's also a clear indicator that the division absolutely stinks!
We agree 100 percent here. Hatton is number 1!

Where we disagree, or it seems, is Hatton's ability at PRESENT. I see a decline

Was Tsyzu still the man? He had NOT fought in a few years. That's bloody boxing for you these days. Living constantly on the past exploits of SHOT fighters. It annoys me.
I backed Hatton to beat Tsyzu due to youth, stamina and the fact that Tsyzu was past it and OLD! Also, because I really rated Hatton!

Tsyzu still put up a hell of a fight; but I can only imagine what would have transpired
if that version of Tsyzu met Aaron Pryor or Oscar or Mosley. He would have been wiped out. It was IMO because Hatton was not that GREAT, that allowed Tsyzu to look so good and put on
such a great show being past it and OLD!

I have to admit, I really overrated Hatton. He wouldn't stand a chance against the great 140lb men of the past; not a CHANCE!

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Tszyu is possibly the greatest Light-Welterweight ever(in contention with Aaron Pryor and Julio Cesar Chavez), he was not prime against Hatton but he had plenty left.

Sure Hatton wouldn't have beaten a prime Tszyu, but then again it's possible no one(at 140 or below) could either.

Hatton isn't at his absolute peak anymore but is far from past it, he's got plenty left and has enough to beat any other 140 lb'er at the moment.

I rate Tsyzu but I am 100 percent confident he loses to Oscar, Mosley, JCC, Pryor and Pea at 140. He just wasn't in their league. All too fast and tough. The bouts may well go the route, but Tsyzu won't win.
Seroulsy, can you imagine a peak Oscar or Mosley against a 35 year old Tsyzu. It would be a bloodbath.
Picture JCC and what happened to him V Oscar. At peak, Oscar and Tsyzu would be a lot more competitive; but stiil, Oscar and the others are TOO good
A peak PBF at 140 also wins!

BTW, did Vince Philips at 140 TKO Tsyzu?

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I rate Tsyzu but I am 100 percent confident he loses to Oscar, Mosley, JCC, Pryor and Pea at 140. He just wasn't in their league. All too fast and tough. The bouts may well go the route, but Tsyzu won't win.
Seroulsy, can you imagine a peak Oscar or Mosley against a 35 year old Tsyzu. It would be a bloodbath.
Picture JCC and what happened to him V Oscar. At peak, Oscar and Tsyzu would be a lot more competitive; but stiil, Oscar and the others are TOO good
A peak PBF at 140 also wins!

BTW, did Vince Philips at 140 TKO Tsyzu?

Phillips beat Tszyu at Light-Welterweight in 1997, when Tszyu was 25. This is possibly one of the reasons why Tszyu kept stating in the build up to the Hatton fight that a 35 year old Kostya Tszyu beats the 25 year old version. That certainly wasn't prime Tszyu.

Maybe we'd know how De La Hoya and Mosley would of done if they hadn't of avoided the 140 lb completely. You could say there was nothing for them there at the weight bar Tszyu, but the point is there was Tszyu and they wanted no part of him.


'Was Tsyzu still the man? He had NOT fought in a few years.'

He had destroyed the best fighter in his division(bar himself) several months previously in a destructive demolition of a very good fighter.

With that said I think Mosley would of beaten him at 140 and probably DLH too, but I'm not convinved about the others. Tszyu was particularly effective against slick fighters such as Mayweather, Pryor and Whitaker.

Out of that lot I think Pryor has the best chance of beating him, and as great as Mayweather and Whitaker are/were, better fighters than Tszyu overall. I don't think even they would avoid that homing missile of a right-hand.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Phillips beat Tszyu at Light-Welterweight in 1997, when Tszyu was 25. This is possibly one of the reasons why Tszyu kept stating in the build up to the Hatton fight that a 35 year old Kostya Tszyu beats the 25 year old version. That certainly wasn't prime Tszyu.

Maybe we'd know how De La Hoya and Mosley would of done if they hadn't of avoided the 140 lb completely. You could say there was nothing for them there at the weight bar Tszyu, but the point is there was Tszyu and they wanted no part of him.


'Was Tsyzu still the man? He had NOT fought in a few years.'

He had destroyed the best fighter in his division(bar himself) several months previously in a destructive demolition of a very good fighter.

With that said I think Mosley would of beaten him at 140 and probably DLH too, but I'm not convinved about the others. Tszyu was particularly effective against slick fighters such as Mayweather, Pryor and Whitaker.

Out of that lot I think Pryor has the best chance of beating him, and as great as Mayweather and Whitaker are/were, better fighters than Tszyu overall. I don't think even they would avoid that homing missile of a right-hand.

Well, I know he did beat Mitchell; but two bouts in 3 years and at 35; it's still IMO a
below peak Tsyzu. Hatton wouldn't have lasted with the best version.

As for the others, YES, Oscar&Shane at 140 would have been simply too good overall.
Shane had power, speed, stamina and a hell of a chin; as did Oscar. Just too good and fighting a man I feel they would both be 'bigger' than.

Pryor is the one I would fancy to KO Tsyzu. He was so relentless and strong and hit hard.
I don't think Tsyzu lasts 12 rds at his ferocious and hard hitting pace.

Whitaker is simply too slick and elusive and all around brilliant. He would win a deserved 12 rds decision. PBF is the one I think would be closest; but his speed and brain will probably get him a close win!

cowzerp

Would Hatton of lived with a peak tszyu? i dont think so, but we'll never know-it would of been competitive though in my opinion, would he have lived with peak oscar or mosley? No..

Tszyu was good but not near the best of this generation..he had his time at the top..

efb

lads really enjoying this discussion, good to see we, on the boxing board, can thrash things out calmly and objetively without resorting to fighting, and if it ever comes to pass, Ill ref it ( unless it's me)

Shmuck

efb wrote: »

Cowen's like Calzaghe, unbeaten record, but doesnt dazzle, always gives 100% workmanlike performance, but not good enough cos he's not a Dub (English)

What? Thats pretty much the biggest load of bollocks I have ever read. Cowen is nowhere near Calzaghe's level. Lets take a look at some of Cowens battles shall we. When he stepped up to Taoiseach he went into the Lisbon Treaty battle completed unprepared. He thought it would be a stroll in the park but was exposed by Sinn Fein and Libertas (who were nothing but pumped up middleweights) who had a comfortable points win in the end. Then in his battle to scrap the medical cards, he completely underestimated his opposition. He thought he could bulldoze his way through them but was shocked when they took his punches and kept coming back for more. The pensioners had a slow enough start but started to build momentum, and when Cowen realised he couldn't knock them out he lost heart. He began taking some heavy blows, and sensing his career would soon be over if he continued, threw in the towel.