Tim Tebow and other CFB QB's

davyjose

Tebow looks like one of the brightest QB's college football has seen. He's the only guy to throw and run TD's. He's the only "underclassman" to win the Heismann, and without doubt he'll go in the first round of the draft.

However, he's basically a running QB who can throw. As eagle eye pointed out in a previous thread, guys like McNabb, have never shone in the NFL like they should. On the other hand, you have Steve Young who was a master of both. Which way will Tebow go?

To paraphrase Jerry maguire, college QB's are like popcorn. Some pop, some don't. A good example - Peyton Manning has proven his first pick in the draft to be a decent one (Colts almost went for Ryan Leaf :eek:), but then you've Matt Leinart who has seemingly flopped spectacularly. Tebow aside, does anyone in College Football look like they could be the real deal right now. Personally I think Colt McCoy looks to have what it takes. Whereas I think Mark Sanchez looks to be USC's weakest QB in years (again, the conundrum arises - who'd have chosen Cassel to hit the heights Leinart hasn't).

Any takers?

geoff_nfl

Tim Tebow is a great college QB doing it through the air and 'mainly' on the ground. Problem with him is how long will he be able to keep up the speed stamina in the pro's when the competition get bigger, faster and hit harder! It will be interesting to see how he pans out anyway.

On the other QB's Colt McCoy is looking pretty damn good. His completion rate is sick at times in that short passing game and he is able to move in the pocket. Got a great mentality and drive which he showed leading the 'alomost' successful comeback against Texas Tech.

Sam Bradford is putting up big numbers (near 3500yrds and 38 TDs and only 6 Ints.) with Oklahoma and he has a prototypical NFL QB frame.

Chase Daniel the senior QB for Missouri also looking good with 3500 yards and 30 TDs. Bit small 6 foot but look at Brees!

Graham Harrell possibly one of the best QB's judging by his stats (4000yards, 36 TDs and only 5 Ints, not forgetting last years 5700 yards and 48 TDs!). Good size in a pass happy offense, puts up consistently high numbers in big names BUT how much of it down to Crabtree? I think he is one of the most interesting prospects of the draft!

But it not what they do in college it what they do in the pro's. Just look at Brady, Bulger and Warner to see that college careers don't always make starting NFL QB's!

dulpit

Tebow is unreal college qb, but has he ever taken a snap under centre? As great as he is from the gun, he hasn't had a chance to play in a more pro-style offence...

However, this year he has played more of a throwing style of play, he's still class...

He'll definitely be picked up in the draft in 2010 (that's after his senior season, right?) but i dunno if he'll be good..



The one thing about the great college QBs is that they don't always go on to be great pro qbs... Case in point this year - Joe Flacco was playing division I-AA ball, but has proven to be great this year... Troy Smith was the Heisman winner the year before, but hasn't proven to be that good at all...

davyjose

dulpit wrote: »

Tebow is unreal college qb, but has he ever taken a snap under centre? As great as he is from the gun, he hasn't had a chance to play in a more pro-style offence...

However, this year he has played more of a throwing style of play, he's still class...

He'll definitely be picked up in the draft in 2010 (that's after his senior season, right?) but i dunno if he'll be good..



The one thing about the great college QBs is that they don't always go on to be great pro qbs... Case in point this year - Joe Flacco was playing division I-AA ball, but has proven to be great this year... Troy Smith was the Heisman winner the year before, but hasn't proven to be that good at all...

I heard rumours tebow was gonna go in this years draft.

eagle eye

Besides the obvious ones, McCoy and Tebow, I like Nate Davis from Ball st.
Watching them at the moment, they look like they are just about to beat CMU. He has been very impressive and he is a throwing QB.

LuckyLloyd

eagle eye wrote: »

Besides the obvious ones, McCoy and Tebow, I like Nate Davis from Ball st.
Watching them at the moment, they look like they are just about to beat CMU. He has been very impressive and he is a throwing QB.

LeFevour for CMU looks a very good prospect aswell.

eagle eye

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

LeFevour for CMU looks a very good prospect aswell.

Agreed he looked excellent as well last night. Thats the first time I seen him so I can't say much more, but I've seen Davis on four occasions and he has some class about him. He can throw the long ball as well which is important for the pros.

jdivision

Tebow might well be converted to another position if he goes pro which would be a pity cos the guy has a rocket of an arm. If you've watched two a days at hoover high you might remember him rifling the ball everywhere when he was in high school (he played for one of the opposition's teams). Agreed about lining up under centre.
I like McCoy and think he has come on leaps and bounds but would have issues with his potential for injury, he's still quite slight. He could be a great Drew Brees type QB or he could flop. Badly. Spending most of the season on IR
Can't see Chase Daniel being a great pro QB, his backup at Missouri will get drafted in 6th or 7th round and may prove a better fit for the pros.

kev_s88

if Tebow does get converted i can almost see him going down the Matt Jones road...Jones was a starting QB for Arkansas before the Jaguars drafted him as a WR

Sea Devils

dulpit wrote: »

... Troy Smith was the Heisman winner the year before, but hasn't proven to be that good at all...

Well to be fair to Troy Smith I don't think anyone anticipated him being good hence his drop to the 5th round.

As for Tebow though he is an incredible natural athlete who has shown he can make the throws and is elusive in the pocket but I still feel he needs time behind someone.

Dan Le Flevour is another sleeper I like

LuckyLloyd

Tebow will suffer on draft day next April due to recent trending at the QB position in the NFL.

This year:

- rookie picks Flacco and Ryan have exceeded expectations thus far;
- Kerry Collins has improved the Titans since Young went off the rails;
- Warner is favorite for the MVP;
- Pennington is performing very well with relatively poor receiving talent;
- Eli Manning won the superbowl last year;
- Ja Marcus Russel is looking more like a bust with each passing game;
- Troy Smith couldn't win a wide open preseason job competition in Baltimore;

I'll stop at that. My basic point is that right now it looks like traditional pocket passers who take snaps under center and have a great arm / great intangibles equal winning. Athletic scramblers or spread system QBs are not winning or holding onto starting jobs in the league at present. Irrespective of how good they looked in college. This will hurt Tebow, because scouts and coaches are going to question whether he can eventually be a franchise type QB.

Furthermore, the proliferation of the wildcat also hurts Tebow. That statement might seem incorrect at first glance given how successful the formation has been this year and considering how good a fit a hybrid athlete like Tebow would be in the formation. However, the wildcat is not going to be run more than 50% of the time (or even close to it tbh) by NFL offenses in the long term. And it's early successes are likely to be diminished significantly after defenses go away this offseason and really work out schemes to shut it down. The option doesn't work in the NFL because defensive ends and linebacking cores are too smart and too fast for it to be viable. Once every defense has worked out a wildcat beating scheme it will stop being a workable offensive ploy also. Witness how the Ravens stuffed Miami on it earlier in the year. But that defense has been the best for some time - the rest of the league will eventually figure it out aswell and the surprise element will wear off.

BUT, that won't stop scouts thinking about players that work with the formation in next April's draft. Therefore, it is a distinct possibillity that Tebow slips a couple of rounds because he isn't viewed as a starting QB - and ends up on a roster after a couple of years being viewed as a jack of all trades but master of none athlete that no - one quite knows what to do with.

Wouldn't be anything particularly new or troubling about the above scenario of course. Tebow wouldn't be the first successful college player to do little at the highest level. And he sure won't be the last.

Dodge

Just on Troy Smith, a fair amount I read about the QB situation in Baltimore had him ahead of Flacco in early pre-season. Smith, unfortunately, picked up an injury and Flacco took the position by "default". He's obviously played well enough to keep the spot

LuckyLloyd

Dodge wrote: »

Just on Troy Smith, a fair amount I read about the QB situation in Baltimore had him ahead of Flacco in early pre-season. Smith, unfortunately, picked up an injury and Flacco took the position by "default". He's obviously played well enough to keep the spot

Smith was 8 / 17 for 99 yards with 0TD and 1INT in the first two preseason games. Yes, he was supposed to start the third game and picked up an injury. It is also said that some key figures like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed were friendly with him and preferred him to Flacco.

But realistically, Smith should have knocked this thing out of the park in camp. Flacco played his college football in Divison 1AA with Deleware. No - one expected him to challenge strongly for the job over Boller and Smith (former starter and former Heisman winner). At this point, the critics who argued that Smith doesn't have either pro tools or temperament (his performance in the National Championship game against Florida was nothing short of abysmal) will be feeling vindicated. My guess is that he will hang around NFL rosters as a number 2 / 3 QB for a few years.

Dodge

I'm not saying he's a No 1, but he could turn out to be a very solid number two, and make a nice little career for himself. I think people writing him off this early are being a bit premature

titan18

Smith dropped to the 5th round cos he's small and thats the only reason.It'll be the same for Chase Daniel this year.

On the qbs coming out of college this year or the next, I dont think that any should be top 10 picks anyway.

I dont think Tebow will make it as a great qb in the NFL.He'll probably go like Vince Young, rather than Steve Young or Randall Cunningham.

Out of the qbs coming out, I think that Mark Sanchez is the best qb around, whether or not he comes out this year.

I like Colt McCoy but I think he needs a year or two sitting behind a qb.

The thing with qbs this year is who's going to draft them early.Out of the early picks,there'll be the Rams,Lions,Bengals,Raiders,Chiefs,Seahawks,49ers,Texans.

Rams,Bengals,Raiders,Seahawks will definately not draft a qb in the first round.Raiders will take Crabtree if he's still around.

Out of the others Chiefs will go oline,like most of those teams.49ers are the only team who may draft a qb early, but most of those teams will go o-line and defense in the first round

davyjose

titan18 wrote: »

Out of the qbs coming out, I think that Mark Sanchez is the best qb around, whether or not he comes out this year.

I like Colt McCoy but I think he needs a year or two sitting behind a qb.

McCoy is a far better qb than Sanchez IMO

davyjose

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Tebow will suffer on draft day next April due to recent trending at the QB position in the NFL.

This year:

- rookie picks Flacco and Ryan have exceeded expectations thus far;
- Kerry Collins has improved the Titans since Young went off the rails;
- Warner is favorite for the MVP;
- Pennington is performing very well with relatively poor receiving talent;
- Eli Manning won the superbowl last year;
- Ja Marcus Russel is looking more like a bust with each passing game;
- Troy Smith couldn't win a wide open preseason job competition in Baltimore;

I'll stop at that. My basic point is that right now it looks like traditional pocket passers who take snaps under center and have a great arm / great intangibles equal winning. Athletic scramblers or spread system QBs are not winning or holding onto starting jobs in the league at present. Irrespective of how good they looked in college. This will hurt Tebow, because scouts and coaches are going to question whether he can eventually be a franchise type QB.

Furthermore, the proliferation of the wildcat also hurts Tebow. That statement might seem incorrect at first glance given how successful the formation has been this year and considering how good a fit a hybrid athlete like Tebow would be in the formation. However, the wildcat is not going to be run more than 50% of the time (or even close to it tbh) by NFL offenses in the long term. And it's early successes are likely to be diminished significantly after defenses go away this offseason and really work out schemes to shut it down. The option doesn't work in the NFL because defensive ends and linebacking cores are too smart and too fast for it to be viable. Once every defense has worked out a wildcat beating scheme it will stop being a workable offensive ploy also. Witness how the Ravens stuffed Miami on it earlier in the year. But that defense has been the best for some time - the rest of the league will eventually figure it out aswell and the surprise element will wear off.

BUT, that won't stop scouts thinking about players that work with the formation in next April's draft. Therefore, it is a distinct possibillity that Tebow slips a couple of rounds because he isn't viewed as a starting QB - and ends up on a roster after a couple of years being viewed as a jack of all trades but master of none athlete that no - one quite knows what to do with.

Wouldn't be anything particularly new or troubling about the above scenario of course. Tebow wouldn't be the first successful college player to do little at the highest level. And he sure won't be the last.

Tebow threw for 200 yards and 3 TD's in 11 attempts (9 completions tonight). He ran for 34 yards in 2 attempts. How can an NFL team not take a shot at the guy when he's doing things that no other college QB has done before?
We can speculate, as will a few NFL teams (he won't go first) but someone's going to pick him. And it'll be the right choice.
What's impressive is that he told the press, after Florida's only loss, that he was going to play harder than any player in College Football until the end of the season. It reminds me of the story about Peyton Manning, when asked by Jim Mora and Jim Irsay why they should pick him first in the draft, and he said "because I'll come back here every season and make you regret it if you don't!"
It's that intangible, "winner" ability in him. Tebow will find a way to win in the NFL. He just has that about him. Florida 70 points tonight!!!

eagle eye

Agree with Davyjose there. Lloyd you can be certain that Tebow will go at no.1, he has it all. I think he makes it really big in the NFL and I think whatever team gets him makes a huge jump forward. I fancy Miami might sacrifice a lot to get him, he is huge in Florida(obviously) and he brings a lot to a team like the Dolphins who have good running backs. I'd imagine they would be willing to break the bank to get him. Time will tell but I think he is going to be a superstar, right up there with the very best in the game.

titan18

There wont be a chance he goes first.Oher is gone first or Andre Smith.No chance it'll be Tebow.Lions wont take him as they have Kitna at qb adn tehy have no one on defense or on the o-line.They have to draft there before anyone else.And Millen is gone, so it wont be Crabtree.Al Davis will be the lunatic who picks him

tallaghtoutlaws

I can see alot of big trade ups and downs for this years draft and I kind of agree with titan18 I don't see Tebow going first. Big risk for teams that need to stabilise other parts of their team.

Look at the teams that will be the top 10 picks well 8 so far:

Lions - Don't need a QB
Raiders - Don't need a QB but need a miracle
Chiefs - Don't need a QB Thigpen seems to be doing the job for them
Bengals - Bengals could be tempted to back up the Palmer/Fitzpatrick combo as Palmer is on his way out due to injury and Fitzpatrick is doing his job. Bengals need picks elsewhere first though
Rams - They need more protection for their QB
Seahawks - Injuries plagued them this year who knows what they need
Texans - Again injuries plagued at QB but Schaub when fit is a good option for them so no QB needed here.
49ers - Dont need a QB either.

So these 8 teams are guaranteed to be in the top 8 pickers of the Draft and none really need a QB. They need help elsewhere.

Chucky the tree

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

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- rookie picks Flacco and Ryan have exceeded expectations thus far;
- Ja Marcus Russel is looking more like a bust with each passing game;

Joe Flacco:
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate
10 10 171 276 62.0 1,813 6.6 8 9 18 155 77.2
Rushing:
Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
35 142 4.1 2 6 1


Jamarcus Russell:
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate
9 9 120 238 50.4 1,445 6.1 6 4 26 170 70.8
Rushing:
Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
11 85 7.7 1 8 5



Considering the difference in the talent on the two teams it's far to early to be throwing Russell under the bust bus.

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Joe Flacco:
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate
10 10 171 276 62.0 1,813 6.6 8 9 18 155 77.2
Rushing:
Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
35 142 4.1 2 6 1


Jamarcus Russell:
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate
9 9 120 238 50.4 1,445 6.1 6 4 26 170 70.8
Rushing:
Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
11 85 7.7 1 8 5



Considering the difference in the talent on the two teams it's far to early to be throwing Russell under the bust bus.

I agree Russell isnt to be written off yet, How could anyone shine in the circus that is the Oakland Raiders.

TheHeadhunter

Rudy Carpenter coming out of Arizona State poor senior year but he is one to watch for the future.

tallaghtoutlaws

TheHeadhunter wrote: »

Rudy Carpenter coming out of Arizona State poor senior year but he is one to watch for the future.

One to watch if he gets drafted. Sadly for Carpenter like many others he might not get that shot to shine. He was the number 20 QB out of High School in the nation when he entered ASU but I don't honestly see him being picked up in the Draft maybe in the lower rounds but he wont be another Tom Brady.

jdivision

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Lions - Don't need a QB

They kinda do, they'll just put him on the bench next year. I've said it before but they need to go OT, LB, G, Safety in the draft and then they can look at QB. That will actually be quite high because of the Roy Williams trade

tallaghtoutlaws

jdivision wrote: »

They kinda do, they'll just put him on the bench next year. I've said it before but they need to go OT, LB, G, Safety in the draft and then they can look at QB. That will actually be quite high because of the Roy Williams trade

Yeah but I meant in the sense of their first pick. Maybe shooting for a QB in the later rounds of the draft but definitely not the first.

jdivision

All good. Whatever about the WRs, Millen drafting Stanton looks terrible now. Too embarressed to play him and was taken in Rd2!

kev_s88

so who do you guys think will be the first to go at each position when the draft does come around???

QB - Tim Tebow...nuff said
RB - Knowshon Moreno.....(Georgia)great things coming from this guy
WR - Juaquin Iglesias...(Oklahoma) looks like a great prospect
TE - Brandon Pettigrew....(Oklahoma State) one of the bigger prospects at TE
OL - Michael Oher....(Mississippi) should have gone in the first round last year but held on for another college year
DL - Fili Moala...(USC) dominant USC defence
LB - Rey Maualaga....(USC) same reason as above
DB - Malcolm Jenkins....(Ohio State) top CB prospect last year and this year

eagle eye

Well I don't know their names but theres a few of that Texas Tech Oline that will be high up the draft, all huge guys.

jdivision

kev_s88 wrote: »

so who do you guys think will be the first to go at each position when the draft does come around???

QB - Tim Tebow...nuff said
RB - Knowshon Moreno.....(Georgia)great things coming from this guy
WR - Juaquin Iglesias...(Oklahoma) looks like a great prospect
TE - Brandon Pettigrew....(Oklahoma State) one of the bigger prospects at TE
OL - Michael Oher....(Mississippi) should have gone in the first round last year but held on for another college year
DL - Fili Moala...(USC) dominant USC defence
LB - Rey Maualaga....(USC) same reason as above
DB - Malcolm Jenkins....(Ohio State) top CB prospect last year and this year

I think Crabtree from Tech will be first WR taken, if Andre Davis comes out of Alabama he'll definitely go ahead of Oher and will probably be No 1 pick and likewise if Terrence Cody comes out of Alabama he'll go ahead of Moala. Not sure about Maualaga, it'll depend on the team looking for a LB - they can go with the never let you down Laurinitius or the athlete that may end up being a superstar Maualaga.

tallaghtoutlaws

jdivision wrote: »

I think Crabtree from Tech will be first WR taken, if Andre Davis comes out of Alabama he'll definitely go ahead of Oher and will probably be No 1 pick and likewise if Terrence Cody comes out of Alabama he'll go ahead of Moala. Not sure about Maualaga, it'll depend on the team looking for a LB - they can go with the never let you down Laurinitius or the athlete that may end up being a superstar Maualaga.

Crabtree is a Sophmore and Cant ho into the Draft this year. Maybe next year when he finishes his junior year will he consider it.

jdivision

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Crabtree is a Sophmore and Cant ho into the Draft this year. Maybe next year when he finishes his junior year will he consider it.

Sorry thought he had reshirted so three years out of HS?

Chucky the tree

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Crabtree is a Sophmore and Cant ho into the Draft this year. Maybe next year when he finishes his junior year will he consider it.

He can go into the draft this year, but has said he wont. However there is still a 90% chance he will.

kev_s88 wrote: »

so who do you guys think will be the first to go at each position when the draft does come around???

QB - Tim Tebow...nuff said
RB - Knowshon Moreno.....(Georgia)great things coming from this guy
WR - Juaquin Iglesias...(Oklahoma) looks like a great prospect
TE - Brandon Pettigrew....(Oklahoma State) one of the bigger prospects at TE
OL - Michael Oher....(Mississippi) should have gone in the first round last year but held on for another college year
DL - Fili Moala...(USC) dominant USC defence
LB - Rey Maualaga....(USC) same reason as above
DB - Malcolm Jenkins....(Ohio State) top CB prospect last year and this year

There's no way in hell Teebow goes as the 1st QB taken, and I'd even be shocked if he goes in the first 2 rounds. What wouldnt shock me would be to see him enter the draft not as a QB.

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He can go into the draft this year, but has said he wont. However there is still a 90% chance he will.



Also, I'd be shocked if Tebow goes as the first QB taken.

Wow I forgot he was redshirted his freshman year so it makes him 3 years in college and old enough to hit the draft ah I stand corrected.

tallaghtoutlaws

jdivision wrote: »

Sorry thought he had reshirted so three years out of HS?

He did my bad forgot he did

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He can go into the draft this year, but has said he wont. However there is still a 90% chance he will.



There's no way in hell Teebow goes as the 1st QB taken, and I'd even be shocked if he goes in the first 2 rounds. What wouldnt shock me would be to see him enter the draft not as a QB.

I can see teams go for the more typical style of QB such as Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy, but I think it could actually be good for Tebow to go later on in the first round. If Detroit pick him, they'll throw him to the lions (pun intended); however if someone like Tampa Bay were to pick him, he could sit behind a pretty good O-line and learn his trade without having to take the full weight of a franchise on his back.

bruschi

Having read through this thread, I saw no mention of Matt Stafford from Georgia. I wouldnt have a huge interest in college football, but I thought he would be seen as one of the top picks at QB in the draft? Crabtree seems like a real good player tho, maybe the Lions will draft him to add to their set.

geoff_nfl

Matthew Stafford is a good college QB, his numbers are solid not spectacular and not in the Bradford or McCoy class. Having the sophomore Moreno in the backfield is a HUGE help for Stafford. His numbers are consistent and take the pressure off Stafford to win the game. He's played well though even in Georgia's losses. Also remember he's still only a junior!!!

tallaghtoutlaws

geoff_nfl wrote: »

Matthew Stafford is a good college QB, his numbers are solid not spectacular and not in the Bradford or McCoy class. Having the sophomore Moreno in the backfield is a HUGE help for Stafford. His numbers are consistent and take the pressure off Stafford to win the game. He's played well though even in Georgia's losses. Also remember he's still only a junior!!!

Stafford is a good QB but he would be better off stickig it out until his senior year as he will fall to low rounds of the draft and face not getting picked up.

Bradford is only a Sophmore right now and I dont think he was redshirted as a freshman meaning at most he wont see the NFL draft until next year. But an Excellent true pocket passer I like him better than Tebow.

Colt Mcoy another true pocket passer with a cannon arm most definitely like Bradford what NFL teams seem to want these days.

Zac Robinson is a QB people never mention. He is one of the things that helped the OS Cowboys to a decent season.
RATING YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
178.01 2,735 24

Chase Daniel of Missouri is one of my favourites over 12,000 yards and 1 TD away from a hundred Chase did right staying until his senior year would be a great asset at any NFL Team with a season on the bench.

and then you have Graham Harrell from Txas Tech man has phenomonal passing numbers as a senior over 15,000 yards and 130 TD Texas Tech linking to throwing the ball has helped Harrell grow would love to see how he does in the NFL.

eagle eye

I know Tebow is not the type of QB that generally becomes a superstar in the NFL, but he is a freak of nature, his size/strength and athleticism and his arm are all fantastic. I personally think he will become one of the greatest QB's in the NFL.

Edit to add his leadership qualities are hugely important as well.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

I know Tebow is not the type of QB that generally becomes a superstar in the NFL, but he is a freak of nature, his size/strength and athleticism and his arm are all fantastic. I personally think he will become one of the greatest QB's in the NFL.

Edit to add his leadership qualities are hugely important as well.

Once he gets a decent QB coach to teach him the qualities of being a True Pocket passer and add this to his freak of nature qualities he will be awesome. But if he is not shown the finer points he will be mauled regardless of his size.

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

I can see teams go for the more typical style of QB such as Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy, but I think it could actually be good for Tebow to go later on in the first round. If Detroit pick him, they'll throw him to the lions (pun intended); however if someone like Tampa Bay were to pick him, he could sit behind a pretty good O-line and learn his trade without having to take the full weight of a franchise on his back.

Later in the first round? I'd be suprsied if he goes later in the first day even. I'd say he'll go after the 3rd round. Some time will take a punt on him for his measuables. He could even be convertered to a WR and could make a decent one. He'll never be a top nfl QB though and teams wont be inclined to draft him after Vick and Vince Young. The fact that pocket passers like Ryan and Flacco have lit it up also make teams more inclined to go this route.

On the lions they can really turn there franchise around this draft if they get it right. Personnally I'd go with Stafford in the 1st, then draft a LT in the in the mid 20s(the pick they got from Cowboys for Roy williams) then go BPA at 33. Also for the lions, when you have a WR like CJ you go with a accurate pocket passer and not some inaccurate athletic freak.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Once he gets a decent QB coach to teach him the qualities of being a True Pocket passer and add this to his freak of nature qualities he will be awesome. But if he is not shown the finer points he will be mauled regardless of his size.

I agree he has to learn some stuff, but think about it, the Lions could hold on to Culpepper for a year and have him ready the season after. He doesn't need that much coaching and that year will give him time to get to know his team and become the leader they need so badly.

Theres also the money end of things and he is the biggest product coming out in the next draft. He is worth so much to teams as a product never mind his abilities.

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

I agree he has to learn some stuff, but think about it, the Lions could hold on to Culpepper for a year and have him ready the season after. He doesn't need that much coaching and that year will give him time to get to know his team and become the leader they need so badly.

Theres also the money end of things and he is the biggest product coming out in the next draft. He is worth so much to teams as a product never mind his abilities.

I think most teams(edit:All actually) care more about winning then money.

LuckyLloyd

By the way lads, if you have an interest in the workings of and build up to the NFL draft every year then I strongly recommend that you pick up the following book:

"The Draft: A year inside the NFL's search for talent" by Pete Williams



Extremely informative and wide ranging yet surprisingly easy to read.

bruschi

I know bumping old zombie threads is frowned upon in boards, but I just came across this ona search for a thread and thought it made an interesting read! mad how most opinions have not budged an inch, other than Jamarcus Russell I would imagine! :pac:

SSK

Ha interesting reading the opinions a couple of years later.

And lets be honest about it Bruschi, you only bumped it because you got the Stafford call right :D

frostie500

Its always good to see a thread like this. I find it interesting that most posters were quite positive about Tebow's chances of being successful in the NFL and how that view changed over the last couple of years. Of course some posters have the same view as from three years ago but its good to see how much more knowledge some people have gained in the intervening period.

bruschi

SSK wrote: »

Ha interesting reading the opinions a couple of years later.

And lets be honest about it Bruschi, you only bumped it because you got the Stafford call right :D

:pac: better bump something I got right rather than the loads I got wrong!:cool: