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Which one of these are better for making cappuccinos?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,482 ✭✭✭RE*AC*TOR


    I wouldn't spend money on either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭TLG


    RE*AC*TOR wrote: »
    I wouldn't spend money on either.
    Ok how i make cappuccino froth then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,482 ✭✭✭RE*AC*TOR


    A cappuccino is not just about froth. You need a base of a good shot of espresso to start. Then you need to steam the milk, introducing air in a controlled manner to the milk.

    To produce the first, you need for starters a good grinder. Then you need a decent espresso machine, that can (a) produce roughly 90-95C brew water, and (b) deliver 9 bar of pressure to the coffee puck.

    To produce the second, you need a machine that can deliver adequate steam power, delivered through an unandulterated steam wand (ie not one with a froth aid / panarello attachment).

    Judging by your questions, I take it you have not considered much of this. You may also not be interested in going down this route.

    There are other ways to produce something cappuccino-like. One of these http://www.aerolatte.com/ for example will froth milk. The texture will not be nearly as good as properly steamed milk.



    You could also try a bialetti mukka pot. Which also creates a cappuccino like drink on the hob.



    Or *shudder* some sort of Nespresso system.



    The basic message I'm trying to get across is that to create a really good cappa you need a decent espresso machine and grinder. To create something cappa-esque, you have other options.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭TLG


    RE*AC*TOR wrote: »
    A cappuccino is not just about froth. You need a base of a good shot of espresso to start. Then you need to steam the milk, introducing air in a controlled manner to the milk.

    To produce the first, you need for starters a good grinder. Then you need a decent espresso machine, that can (a) produce roughly 90-95C brew water, and (b) deliver 9 bar of pressure to the coffee puck.

    To produce the second, you need a machine that can deliver adequate steam power, delivered through an unandulterated steam wand (ie not one with a froth aid / panarello attachment).

    Judging by your questions, I take it you have not considered much of this. You may also not be interested in going down this route.

    There are other ways to produce something cappuccino-like. One of these http://www.aerolatte.com/ for example will froth milk. The texture will not be nearly as good as properly steamed milk.



    You could also try a bialetti mukka pot. Which also creates a cappuccino like drink on the hob.



    Or *shudder* some sort of Nespresso system.



    The basic message I'm trying to get across is that to create a really good cappa you need a decent espresso machine and grinder. To create something cappa-esque, you have other options.
    sounds quite expensive am i right? :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    TLG wrote: »
    sounds quite expensive am i right? :(

    Good coffee is not expensive.

    A moka pot and a seperate milk frother/whisk will cost you less than any of the
    'steam toys' that Argos and the likes are selling.

    Moka Pots here:
    http://www.cubascoffee.com/cart/viewprod.asp?ID=47

    http://www.kitchencomplements.ie/kc/Main/Category.asp?iCategoryID=82

    You can froth milk easily without a 'cappucino machine' as Reactor has
    already highlighted. Heat up the milk in a pan or microwave and then
    use a aerolatte/whisk or put the hot milk (not boiling) into a device
    like this:
    http://www.houseoffraser.co.uk/Bodum+Electric+milk+frother/110663005,default,pd.html?cgid=5031


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,828 ✭✭✭stimpson


    OK - here's my guilty secret... I used to own that Delonghi machine. It was cheap and cheerful but lasted me less than 6 months before it packed up.

    I then replaced it with a stylish but crappy one (Kenwood I think). That lasted 3 months...

    That was replaced by an (expensive) Krupps machine and a Krupps grinder, because it was German engineering - Vorsprung Durch Teknic and all that jazz it was going to last forever. It was useless and lasted about 3 months.

    My other half persuaded me to part with serious bread for my Gaggia Classic and that was over 2 years ago and I still have it. The Krupps grinder passed away recently and was replaced with a La Pavoni Grinder as I couldn't get a Gaggia MDF.

    The moral of the story is that if you spend a few bob on a decent machine now you'll probably still be using it in 2 years and you will have had better coffee for those 2 years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭TLG


    Good coffee is not expensive.

    A moka pot and a seperate milk frother/whisk will cost you less than any of the
    'steam toys' that Argos and the likes are selling.

    Moka Pots here:
    http://www.cubascoffee.com/cart/viewprod.asp?ID=47

    http://www.kitchencomplements.ie/kc/Main/Category.asp?iCategoryID=82

    You can froth milk easily without a 'cappucino machine' as Reactor has
    already highlighted. Heat up the milk in a pan or microwave and then
    use a aerolatte/whisk or put the hot milk (not boiling) into a device
    like this:
    http://www.houseoffraser.co.uk/Bodum+Electric+milk+frother/110663005,default,pd.html?cgid=5031
    i've already tried the heating in microwave and then whisking it, it just makes bubbles which quickly dissapear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    TLG wrote: »
    i've already tried the heating in microwave and then whisking it, it just makes bubbles which quickly disappear.

    Make sure the milk is fresh and cold first. Microwave the milk to about
    80 degrees centigrade, DO NOT boil the milk. Frothing milk that has
    boiled is a non-runner. If the milk is not frothing or holding the air
    it's most likely not hot enough or too hot. See if you can get your
    hands on a thermometer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭TLG


    Make sure the milk is fresh and cold first. Microwave the milk to about
    80 degrees centigrade, DO NOT boil the milk. Frothing milk that has
    boiled is a non-runner. If the milk is not frothing or holding the air
    it's most likely not hot enough or too hot. See if you can get your
    hands on a thermometer.

    Still doesn't work.


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