Hydrogen Peroxide - 35% Food Grade Only _ Any Feedback???

Twiggy69

Hello Fellow Boardies,
I need your assistance. I have a good friend who is recovering (very successfully) from Prostate Cancer. As with many people who are afflicted by illness & infection, he is eager to explore any option that might offer relief of even dare I say " a Cure "

To this end, he is currently exploring the benefits or otherwise of this "wonder treatment". Apparently, it is very popular in mainland Europe, but not so much in our Emerald Isle.

What my friend is looking for is hearing from people who have tried this treatment or those who have any experience / views of any kind of the benefits or side-effects of this treatment. He is very enthusiastic in this regard, so any feedback will be much appreciated.

*********** THIS ENQUIRY IS NOT TO BE TAKEN AS AN EFFORT TO PROMOTE OR ENDORSE THIS TREATMENT BY ME, IT IS MERELY A REQUEST FOR FEEDBACK ONLY********

Thanking you in anticipation,

T

Dfens

What do you do with the 35 % H2O2 ?

RobFowl

I looked this up on Pubmed. The only research published in an academic journal was a report on how a man gave himself a hydrogen peroxide enema to try to treat his prostate cance. The result ... he developed proctitis as well.
Smells of quackery to me

Twiggy69

Hi Dfens,
You take a drop of it daily.Apparently, at this dosage, you start taking a drop daily, increasing the dosage by a further drop daily until you arrive @ 35 drops daily. Then decrease the dosage by a drop daily, then continue on a Maintainance level of 4 drops daily (I believe!).

It is believed to have the effect of "oxidising " the blood thereby inhibiting the growth of Cancer cells. That's my "layman's" understanding of it, if others can shed further light on this please do.

RobFowl - thanks for your contribution.

Regards,

T

eth0_

Sounds like absolute nonsense to me. All it would do is maybe give you a stomach upset.

I've never even heard of food grade hydrogen peroxide.

taram

My sister had decaying gums and was using 5% topically and was told to take great care not to accidentally swallow a single drop, it can cause internal bleeding even at low concentrations...can't imagine using 35%, 5% topically on my skin burnt!

The "oxidating" your blood thing does have truth in plants, it's added with water to the plant to prevent root/stem rot as hydrogen peroxide is a highly reactive oxygen species. But plants don't equal humans so I'd ask his cancer specalist before undertaking anything!

Dfens

No, I wouldn't be a fan of taking H2O2 internally either, is itself an active oxygen species & can breakdown to the even more reactive (damaging) hydroxide free radical.
Active oxygen species are known to attack a number of bodily tissue types / cells causing damage. That's why the skin cream / health promoter companies are always on about antioxidants (which help neutralise the effects of active oxygen species).

Yes, he needs to ask his specialist about this, & should maybe concentrate on eating a healthy diet / fresh air/ exercise / relaxation to help the healing process.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1162

/edit: this no longer makes any sense after sneaky mod-edit:P

John

Dfens wrote: »

No, I wouldn't be a fan of taking H2O2 internally either, is itself an active oxygen species & can breakdown to the even more reactive (damaging) hydroxide free radical.
Active oxygen species are known to attack a number of bodily tissue types / cells causing damage. That's why the skin cream / health promoter companies are always on about antioxidants (which help neutralise the effects of active oxygen species).

Yes, he needs to ask his specialist about this, & should maybe concentrate on eating a healthy diet / fresh air/ exercise / relaxation to help the healing process.

Your body naturally produces hydrogen peroxide as toxic waste matter (your liver breaks it down into water and oxygen). Disruption of this system (i.e. a build up of H2O2) has been implicated in illnesses such as Parkinsons and Alzheimers (there's a big literature on free radicals and neurodegenerative disorders) and I'm pretty sure that the presence of free radicals (of which H2O2 is and can form further more active reactive oxygen species) has been implicated in causing cancer. Never heard of it as a cure (or indeed "food grade" H2O2 which sounds dubious to say the least).

Plus I found this from The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry:

Ingestion of dilute solutions of hydrogen peroxide may result in vomiting, mild gastrointestinal irritation, gastric distension, and on rare occasions, gastrointestinal erosions or embolism (blockage of blood vessels by air bubbles). Ingestion of solutions of 10-20% strength produces similar symptoms, but exposed tissues may also be burned. Ingestion of even more concentrated solutions, in addition to the above, may also induce rapid loss of consciousness followed by respiratory paralysis.

But of course, at the end of the day, it's all a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical industry :rolleyes:

Capt'n Midnight

35% H202 :eek::eek: scary stuff, you don't want to spill any on anything and keep it in a dark fridge and have full protective kit, nasty white burns if it gets on your skin.

Double that concentration and you have a liquid that will turn into superheated steam and oxygen in the presence of most materials.

Vitamin E and the other anti-oxidants have a natural role in breaking down peroxides to prevent cellular damage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalase

Catalase is a common enzyme found in nearly all living organisms which are exposed to oxygen, where it functions to catalyze the decomposition of hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen. Catalase has one of the highest turnover numbers of all enzymes; one molecule of catalase can convert millions of molecules of hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen per second
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All known animals use catalase in every organ, with particularly high concentrations occurring in the liver.
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Catalase is also universal among plants, and many fungi are also high producers of the enzyme.

Mucco

There's 30% Ph Eur from Aldrich called PERDROGEN:
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/ProductDetail.do?N4=31642|SIAL&N5=SEARCH_CONCAT_PNO|BRAND_KEY&F=SPEC
Though it's not as nasty as Capt'nMidnight's stuff (R22,41)

AtomicHorror

Mucco wrote: »

There's 30% Ph Eur from Aldrich called PERDROGEN:
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/ProductDetail.do?N4=31642|SIAL&N5=SEARCH_CONCAT_PNO|BRAND_KEY&F=SPEC
Though it's not as nasty as Capt'nMidnight's stuff (R22,41)

Awesome... Sigma sell pretty much everything, don't they. Yeah, drink that stuff and you mess yourself up real good.

OP, the popularity of this treatment wherever is totally irrelevant. I mean, homeopathy (for example) is popular in many places and that's basically water and sugar pills. So popularity is meaningless, and possibly even has in inverse relationship with efficacy. Don't look for opinions on message boards or anecdotes from people who have tried Therapy X- no amount of anecdotes will tell you whether a given treatment works or is safe. Anecdotal evidence is too open to wishful thinking, placebo effect, confirmation bias and regression to the mean (getting better by yourself). What you want is hard evidence from fair tests. Randomised, placebo-controlled clinical trial results. Right now there seems to be nothing of the sort available with regard to oral administration of H2O2 for cancer, at least as far as I can see. So you're working in an evidence vacuum. And with stuff like peroxide, that's very very risky.

Your friend is recovering and that's great, so why mess with that? His doctor knows what is best for him. Listen to that doctor. I'm guessing he won't put much stock in this stuff.

tallaght01

We really shouldn't be discussing some random guy's treatment plan on here.