Inconsistent modding in the GAA forum?

Daysha

Can I get a few opinions on this thread?

In posts 2 & 4 there's a light hearted dig about the rugby match in Croke Park. Nothing too bad I would have thought, but one poster didn't take to it lightly and was subsequently and rightly banned for a week for abuse.

Supermanscat then posted a similar joke about how he should go with some Dubliners to get the match postponed for 15 mins to make the match on time. Again, it was light hearted, humourous banter and definitely nothing too sinister. Blackbelt, the mod who saw no harm in the first two jokes, then banned Supermanscat for 10 days for trolling!

Personally I found no difference between either of the jokes, but it's the poster who takes a swipe at the Dubs that gets the banning......and it's a mod who supports Dublin that bans him.

I found Supers comment pretty funny actually. Anyone who follows the GAA knows that a substantial number of Dublin C'ship matches are postponed by 15 mins, certainly higher than the average around the rest of the country and definitely nothing that deserved a 10 day banning. And considering one of the rugby jokes took a swipe at a much more controversial issue (the apparant middle-upper class following of rugby matches) it makes the modding even more bizarre.

Thoughts?

smashey

Every now and then we get comments in GAA that try to get a rise out of Dublin fans and as I'm sure you're aware deise, all hell breaks loose. In this case, Blackbelt might just have nipped it in the bud.

Daysha

smashey wrote: »

Every now and then we get comments in GAA that try to get a rise out of Dublin fans and as I'm sure you're aware deise, all hell breaks loose. In this case, Blackbelt might just have nipped it in the bud.

I understand that sometimes there can be some instances like that smash, but was all hell really going to break loose in a simple topic from someone looking for directions to Croker?! The poster wasn't even looking to get a rise out of the Dub posters IMO, he was simply passing a light-hearted remark about how to get to Croker in time, just like the other posters were passing a light-hearted remark about rugby in the stadium.

Had the same joke been aimed at a different county (or a different sport, as we've seen in that topic) there would never be a ban for trolling. Do we really want to start an agenda where there's one rule for Dublin-related posts and another rule for everyone else?

Edit: I'm sure many people would also take the view that Pride Fighter was trying to "get a rise" out of the people who don't want foreign sports in Ireland, a topic that has, in the past, gained much more heated debate than any Dublin-related discussion.

Going by your logic, surely that should have been "nipped in the bud" aswell....

kaimera

I understand that sometimes there can be some instances like that smash, but was all hell really going to break loose in a simple topic from someone looking for directions to Croker?!

Yes iirc. It would have dragged the thread off topic which is against the charter. Ban justified.

tbh, i'd have taken action on the dig at the rubgy supporters also, but thats just me.

Supermanscat

I dont mind the ban but it's the inconsistency that annoys me.

It was just a witty, off the cuff remark. Nothing else. I personally felt the dig at the rugby lads would have been more provoking...

Daysha

I've PM'ed the mod in question so hopefully he'll clarify the matter.

Supermanscat

Well i Pm'd him after the incident asking what was trolling?

I also apoligised saying it was meant offensive. And asked for my ban to be reduced.

Hopefully he'll see sense.

Daysha

A similar swipe at the Dubs was posted in the jersey thread yesterday, and as of this post no action has been taking.

Can you someone PLEASE explain what we are and are not allowed to post, because it seems to me that not even the mods know themselves.

smashey

I'll have a look.
Please report the offending post.

Daysha

Done.

blackbelt

In Darrens case,I banned him for abuse.He can have no complaints whatsoever.

I banned Supermanscat in accordance with the charter which was layed out and outlined before I even became a mod.Kaimera posted in the rules charter about picking on fans,sunshine fans,Dublin and Ulster etc and those rules still stand.I deemed Supermanscats comment as irrelevent,off topic and bait to get a reaction.It is things like this which cause flame topics.

Also,it does not matter what county I am from.I have a job to moderate the GAA forum which I am very happy to do.Had comments been made about Meath supporters,Sligo,Cork,Laois,Donegal or Antrim supporters,I would have followed through the same as I did and yes I am the first one to see the flaws in my own county's supporters,the ones who let down the genuine fans.

As for the previous comments from Pridefighter and another poster,I will read them and if necessary take action but it is also the responsibility of posters who take offense to a certain post to report it using the report post icon function.I can't stress that enough.

Daysha

blackbelt wrote: »

In Darrens case,I banned him for abuse.He can have no complaints whatsoever.

I banned Supermanscat in accordance with the charter which was layed out and outlined before I even became a mod.Kaimera posted in the rules charter about picking on fans,sunshine fans,Dublin and Ulster etc and those rules still stand.I deemed Supermanscats comment as irrelevent,off topic and bait to get a reaction.It is things like this which cause flame topics.

Also,it does not matter what county I am from.I have a job to moderate the GAA forum which I am very happy to do.Had comments been made about Meath supporters,Sligo,Cork,Laois,Donegal or Antrim supporters,I would have followed through the same as I did and yes I am the first one to see the flaws in my own county's supporters,the ones who let down the genuine fans.

As for the previous comments from Pridefighter and another poster,I will read them and if necessary take action but it is also the responsibility of posters who take offense to a certain post to report it using the report post icon function.I can't stress that enough.

Thanks for the reply blackbelt.

The way I see it, there have been 4 violations of the charter in the past 2 days.

1 - Two cheap digs were aimed at rugby fans by 2 seperate posters. As far as I'm aware they weren't reported but as it stands not action has still yet to be taken.

2 - One poster gets annoyed by said comments and abuses the 2 posters. Gets a deserved full week ban.

3 - An identical cheap dig to violation #1 was posted, but this time towards Dublin supporters. Again as far as I'm aware the post wasn't reported, yet a full 10 day ban for trolling was issued, without prior warning.

4 - Another cheap dig towards the Dubs was aimed by a different poster in a different topic. This post WAS reported, and yet this poster DOES get a warning without a ban or even an infraction.

No matter what way you look at it, that is inconsistency of the highest order.

If you say your allegiance with the Dubs had no bearing on your decision, then I'll respect that. But you and the rest of the mods would go a long way to proving that statement by treating every violation of the charter the exact same way.

I understand the importance of reporting posts if I take offense. But as I stated in my OP, I didn't see a whole lot wrong with either the rugby or dublin digs in the first place, just light-hearted banter. That's why I didn't report them. When Smashey and Kairoma stated that that was not the case, I went and reported the second Dublin jib (violation #4 from the list above).

The last thing I want to do is turn this topic into a mod witch hunt to "FIGHT TEH POWA!" I post in GAA quite a bit and for the vast majority the mods there are very fair. All I want to do is to ensure that every poster is treated the exact same way, regardless of who they are or who they're slagging off.

Boston

inconsistency does not equate to bias though. That's a point I think you're missing. Every situation is different, there will be inconsistencies between decisions since its a human system we have here. The same inputs won't always result in the same outputs.

Also, there will always be an element of poster history taken into account. A valued poster who has an off day and posts a dig may get a slap while another poster would be simply banned out right.

Supermanscat

Well i wasn't looking for a reaction. It was just quick wit. Maybe if id thrown a rake of smiley faces behind it then it wouldn't have been taken seriously.

Daysha

Boston wrote: »

Also, there will always be an element of poster history taken into account. A valued poster who has an off day and posts a dig may get a slap while another poster would be simply banned out right.

Even if that is the case, it still doesn't fit in with the mods decisions. Of the 3 posters that weren't banned, 2 are fairly experienced posters been here a while while the 3rd had only 30 or so posts under his/her name.

The poster that did get banned fell in between the two, a few hundred posts after a member of 2 years. And I'm unaware of any of the 4 posters having previous convictions to their name. Can anyone explain that to me?

I don't mean to sound like I'm just nagging at this stage, but its been 3 days since this topic was started and I'm still yet to hear from any of the GAA mods why Homer, Pride Fighter and Browney weren't banned like Super.

Supermanscat

And we wait.....

Boston

Because as moderators they'll used their super human powers of deduction to sense there's a thread on feedback about their forum.

You know what works? A PM. You might think about sending one with a link to the thread. Note, however, there's no obligation on them to reply.

Supermanscat

Boston wrote: »

Because as moderators they'll used their super human powers of deduction to sense there's a thread on feedback about their forum.

You know what works? A PM. You might think about sending one with a link to the thread. Note, however, there's no obligation on them to reply.

I dont think thet have super human powers. And i dont know does PM's wok because i did infact PM them. thank you Boston.

Boston

With a link to the thread?

Supermanscat

Boston wrote: »

With a link to the thread?

No but i described the thread and they know the one i was talking about. It was obvious and theyve already posted earleir in the thread. Quite clear. Anyway it doesnt matter.

Just waiting for this frickin ban to end!!!! :D

Boston

ah well, I apologise for my condescending manner, in that case.

Supermanscat

Boston wrote: »

ah well, I apologise for my condescending manner, in that case.

And i graciously accept it

Fulton Crown

Far too much political corrrectness and heavy handedness here IMHO.

A lighter touch excellencies - a lighter touch is all thats needed.

Hope this has not offended anybody .....:D

smashey

Supermanscat wrote: »

I dont think thet have super human powers. And i dont know does PM's wok because i did infact PM them. thank you Boston.

I didn't get any pm from you.

AckwelFoley

Inconsistant modding and smashey, this can only be lies.

*angry mob screams for tongue of OP

ManFromAtlantis

so whats trolling? and what is and how does one become a moderator and what do they do.ta

smashey

ManFromAtlantis wrote: »

so whats trolling? and what is and how does one become a moderator and what do they do.ta

Troll.

How to become a mod.

ManFromAtlantis

thanks. i think.

cruiserweight

smashey wrote: »

I didn't get any pm from you.

Neither did I

GAAman

How easily things are forgotten. Like that supermanscat has a history in the gaa forum. A history of what you ask? Well sure have a look yourself at where he called Flukey a " a thick little ignorant ****er who never kicked a football" for Flukey's frankly eloquent response to this thread

And as a matter of fact supermanscat should have been banned in line with the charter for that first post (with no offense to the mods) but thats just my opinion

And of course we cant forget supermanscats excuse for this happening

"I left my account logged in and someone else posted it and hacked my password" :rolleyes:

And i will edit this before a "its only cos your a Dub blah blah" nothin of the sort, i would hardly expect one rule for Dubliners and another for anyone else

kaimera

he was banned by me at the time; perhaps not for the initial post in the thread but shortly afterwards and the duration of the ban I gave at the time stood even with the "hacked pw" line I got.

Supermanscat

Its the truth GAA man, whether you beleive me or not.

Ive apologised for my comment about the Dub Fans. I think it should be let go and have already told the Mods that ill sit out this ban. I just miss the GAA forum.

Supermanscat

kaimera wrote: »

he was banned by me at the time; perhaps not for the initial post in the thread but shortly afterwards and the duration of the ban I gave at the time stood even with the "hacked pw" line I got.

And i took your advice and changed my password and found your info and advice helpful. I shared that computer with alot of people and presume someone made the comment. I then PM'd the person that got the offensive post and apologised to them. I dont need GAAman questionin whether im telling the truth.

Why we are bringing up a comment made ages ago as in relation to alleged inconsistent moddig is beyond me.

GAAman

kaimera wrote: »

he was banned by me at the time; perhaps not for the initial post in the thread but shortly afterwards and the duration of the ban I gave at the time stood even with the "hacked pw" line I got.

Kai i should have pointed out he was banned for the Flukey comment mea culpa

Supermanscat wrote: »

Its the truth GAA man, whether you beleive me or not.

Look at it this way, would you believe me if i said that? I dont think so but we are all different

However you do understand that apology or no it is up to you to prove you are not a dick troll? And no thats not me callin you that but statin a fact. With the outburst you made on that thread you not think the mods would be right to keep a closer eye on you then other posters? Would you not do the same yourself? I know i would and this is not backseat moddin btw this is my own opinion.

On the subject of the whole "Dubs and 15 mins thing" yeah it might have been said in jest but it has gotten outta proportion not only here but elsewhere. Here it is november and i was in Bank of Ireland two days ago here in derry and the guy behind the counter made a crack about that and i dead faced told him "You think talkin like that to customers is a good business model?" he near shít himself but i smiled and told him i was jokin, there have been times where someone has said this to me and a totally different reaction was had

It was nippin it in the bud, just cos the All Ireland is over doesnt mean that shíte cant be thrown

Supermanscat

I know ya but it is the truth.

Well in fairness that comment was a long time ago!
I never thought a quick wit remark would lead to all this. Anyway, im off! Had enough!! Good luck!

Daysha

deise59 wrote: »

I don't mean to sound like I'm just nagging at this stage, but its been 3 days since this topic was started and I'm still yet to hear from any of the GAA mods why Homer, Pride Fighter and Browney weren't banned like Super.

I posted that 3 days ago. Since then we have had 2 GAA moderators post in this topic and neither of you answered the question.

I PMed Blackbelt about the topic since he was the one that banned Super in the first place. 2 other GAA mods (Smashey and Cruserweight) have since posted here, meaning 3 of the GAA mods and numerous regular GAA posters know this thread exists, so I would hardly believe I'd need to chase them up with PMs every time I want a reply.

This topic is questioning the consistency of the modding, not whether super deserved a ban in the first place. Ok, I get it, he deserved a ban. You guys feel that way, Super has pretty much accepted it, so fair enough.

But thats not why I started this thread. If you retracted Supers ban, then the original question regarding the consistency would have been answered because that would have fitted in with the lack of bans in the forum the past week.

But thats not the case. We still have one poster banned, and 2 or 3 others with a simple infraction, or nothing at all.

So, shall I ask the question again? Do the GAA mods feel that Supers comment was in any way different to the similar swipes that were taken at the rugby supporters?

If yes, please explain in what way. If no, then why were the decisions regarding the ban taken in such a fashion?

smashey

The first couple of comments regarding rugby seemed pretty harmless to me and I assume, the other mods (I played rugby for a long time). Darren 254 then comes along and calls the two guys "dickheads" and was quite rightly banned. Once something like this happens, we tend to be on the lookout for any more comments that could be deemed to be problematic or flaming/trolling. Supermanscat then posted his comment about Dublin supporters and was banned by Blackbelt. Blackbelt qualified this with the following -

Trying to be funny or just get a reaction?

It's the "reaction" bit that is relevant here because as I said earlier, whenever anything gets said about Dublin (team or fans), things deteriorate rapidly. In this instance, Blackbelt saw a potential problem and sorted it. The thread then died out.

Maybe that might be seen by some as inconsistent modding but we can't change that perception. We mods talk about various issues regularly and a lot of times we fail to agree. In this instance, we are all agreed.

Daysha

Thanks for that Smashey. I still can't say I 100% agree with the decisions, but I'm happy you to took the time to explain to me where you and the rest of the mods were coming from

Thread can be locked now, it's done its purpose.

Supermanscat

I agree with Deise. Thanks for taking the time to explain!!


Is there anyway to appeal the length of a ban??

GAAman

deise59 i meant to post what i said in my reply to surpermanscats pm

The comments made against rugby people as far as i can see were to do with money and Maori's chasin a bit of leather

Now to the best of my knowledge there has never been bother in the forum or elsewhere due to saying rugby followers have money

Now if the Maori lads have a problem with callin a rugby ball a bit of leather let them come and tell us

On the other hand has there been bother due to the whole Dubs and "15 mins" thing, yes there has both here on boards and elsewhere

This is why it happened

Supermanscat

Once again ill reiterate i never thought the remark would have led to all this. And to answer Blackbelts original question, no i was not looking for a reaction!!!
Time for this thread to be locked me thinks!