matchplay question

kingshankly

in a matchplay situation with player a of 6 and player b of 18 does player b recorve shots on index 1-12 or 7-18

slumped

Index 1-12 as these are the harder holes.

Index 1 = hardest
Index 18 = easiest

S

kingshankly

slumped wrote: »

Index 1-12 as these are the harder holes.

Index 1 = hardest
Index 18 = easiest

S

yeah cheers I realise this just wondering that the 6 handicaper has a shot on holes 1- 6 so thought it would be 7-13

Mister Sifter

kingshankly wrote: »

yeah cheers I realise this just wondering that the 6 handicaper has a shot on holes 1- 6 so thought it would be 7-13

the lower handicap player plays off scratch on the day, i.e. he gets no shots.

not yet

Does the higher handicap not get 3/4 of the difference in shots ?

Mister Sifter

not yet wrote: »

Does the higher handicap not get 3/4 of the difference in shots ?

That used to be the case, but the recommendation from the GUI to clubs now is that it should be full handicap difference. Some clubs will still opt for 3/4 but my experience is that the majority now go full.

Which is a bugger if you're a low handicapper! That said, it makes sense. The 3/4 rule gives the low guy an advantage.

WHIP IT!

Graeme1982 wrote: »

That used to be the case, but the recommendation from the GUI to clubs now is that it should be full handicap difference. Some clubs will still opt for 3/4 but my experience is that the majority now go full.

Which is a bugger if you're a low handicapper! That said, it makes sense. The 3/4 rule gives the low guy an advantage.

Agreed, I never understood the thinking behind just playing 3/4 of the difference.

SalthillGuy

IMO 3/4 is correct for singles.
The difficult one is fourball.
Two low guys playing two higher is an example of one that needs to be looked at.
The current situation favours the high handicaps.

Mister Sifter

SalthillGuy wrote: »

IMO 3/4 is correct for singles.
The difficult one is fourball.
Two low guys playing two higher is an example of one that needs to be looked at.
The current situation favours the high handicaps.

Hmm... i'm not sure i agree. Generally speaking, the lower the handicap, the more consistent the player has to be. He also has to be more capable of playing to/shooting below his handicap to maintain it. Therefore i think full shots is fair.

SalthillGuy

It's a bit like a scramble.
The high guys have two chances, plus the shots, especially when it comes to putting.

stockdam

slumped wrote: »

Index 1-12 as these are the harder holes.

Index 1 = hardest
Index 18 = easiest

S

It's not always the case that stroke index 1 is the hardest hole etc. Yes it's generally true but you're not meant to give the first hole a stroke index of 1 as it is often the playoff hole (not sure I agree though). Also you shouldn't be putting all the low indexes on one nine and the high ones on the other.....they are meant to be spread out. The longest nine holes generally gets the odd stroke indexes and the lowest index is meant to be in the middle of the nine holes. The lowest two indexes are not to be used for the first or the last holes (and sometimes not the 9th or the 10th if the 10th is often used as the starting hole). There shouldn't be a run of consequetive holes where say a guy receiving three shots gets them all together. It gets complicated and can end up not related in any way to difficulty of the hole.!!! But some courses don't follow this guideline.

Stroke indexes are allocated more in a balance across the 18 holes and there's no reason why you couldn't give the easiest hole an index of 1.......although this goes against the norm.


That's why you will often stand on a tee and ask why this hole is a low stroke index.......it may be because of the layout of the course and the committee tried to follow the guidelines.

SalthillGuy

stockdam wrote: »

Stroke indexes are allocated more in a balance across the 18 holes and there's no reason why you couldn't give the easiest hole an index of 1.......although this goes against the norm.

The way a hole play is usually taken as a guideline. This information is available on the clubs PC, from a clubs competiton returns.
I could never imagine the easiest hole being index 1.
If a course is properly designed, the first hole will be a moderate index. It is also rare to have a par 3 index 1, but there are some, especially a feature hole.

stockdam

SalthillGuy wrote: »

The way a hole play is usually taken as a guideline. This information is available on the clubs PC, from a clubs competiton returns.
I could never imagine the easiest hole being index 1.
If a course is properly designed, the first hole will be a moderate index. It is also rare to have a par 3 index 1, but there are some, especially a feature hole.

Yes usually but as far as I know you don't have to take the difficulty of a hole into account. Difficulty is a bit subjective as well. A very long par 4 may have a high average score (say 4.8) but it may be a hard hole to par for low handicaps but a fairly easy hole to bogey for high handicaps.

A note on the English Golf Union site says.....

"Difficulty in relation to par should not be taken into account when selecting stroke indexes."

I hope I understand what they mean. I think they changed the wording recently so I hope that's the recent version. I think they actually mean that other parameters should be adhered to and then difficulty can be taken into account........but as I said I think you can select the "easiest" hole as stroke index 1 (although I've never heard of it done that way).

SalthillGuy

As far as I know the hardest hole is based on how a scratch player would see it.
An 18 handicap has a shot on each hole.
A scratch plaer has no shot on any hole.
The 1 to 18 index would be very different for both players.
However, in practise it is the scratch player who's opinion is valued more when determining the index of the hole.

partee

It is the GUI that allocates the indexes to all golf courses and not the club.
There are guidelines in how they achieve this. They have a scoring system that takes into account all the physical data for each hole. Things like fairway, rough, bunkers, elevation, green, hazards etc. All the things that scare the hell out of you when you stand on the tee.

The indexes are in the order that this exercise places them and can be totally random. So index 1 can be any of 1-18.

SalthillGuy

The GUI sets the SSS for the course, which is the degree of difficulty for the course.
The club itself assigns the index to each hole.