With Apologises to Monty Python. But What exactly have Fianna Fail done for us?

Diogenes

with apologises to Monty Python.

REG:
They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.
LORETTA:
And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG:
Yeah.
LORETTA:
And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG:
Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!
XERXES:
The safe drinking water in Galway?
REG:
What?
XERXES:
The safe drinking water in Galway
REG:
Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.
COMMANDO #3:
And the Investment in Public Transport, that was well done.
LORETTA:
Oh, yeah, the investment in Public Transport, Reg. Remember what Dublin city used to be like?
REG:
Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the investment in Dublin Transport, that was well done. and the drinking water in Galway are two things that Fianna Fail have done.
MATTHIAS:
And the roads.
REG:
Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from, investment in public transport . and the drinking water in Galway and the roads--
COMMANDO:
Home Grown Industry.
XERXES:
The Health Service.
COMMANDOS:
Huh? Heh? Huh...
COMMANDO #2:
Education.
COMMANDOS:
Ohh...
REG:
Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.
COMMANDO #1:
And the Corib Gas Pipeline.
COMMANDOS:
Oh, yes. Yeah...
FRANCIS:
Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if Fianna Fail left. Huh.
COMMANDO:
Cervical Cancer Jabs for Women .
LORETTA:
And it's safe to walk in the streets of Limerick at night now, Reg.
FRANCIS:
Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.
COMMANDOS:
Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.
REG:
All right, but apart from the safe drinking water in Galway, Investment in Public Transport, education, the roads, public order in Limerick, Cervical Cancer Jabs for Women, the Corib Gas Pipeline, the health service, investment in home grown industry and public health, what have Fianna Fail ever done for us?
XERXES:
Brought peace.


OHHHH PISS OFF!

AckwelFoley

Bollocks

Diogenes

snyper wrote: »

Bollocks

What a well measured and rational response, with your rebuttal clear and concise and a point by point dismantle of my arguments laid out in a clear and well measured surgical assault on my rift. I am frankly in awe of the laser like precision of your rationality and fear I am in the presence of the finest debating mind to walk this earth since Socrates. (I would have said Cicero or Agrippa, but I fear wandering out of the shallow pool, I'd have lost you). Bravo sir, you've personified the shoddy level of political debate that has put this country in this woeful state. I salute your ignorance!

AckwelFoley

Diogenes wrote: »

What a well measured and rational response, with your rebuttal clear and concise and a point by point dismantle of my arguments laid out in a clear and well measured surgical assault on my rift. I am frankly in awe of the laser like precision of your rationality and fear I am in the presence of the finest debating mind to walk this earth since Socrates. (I would have said Cicero or Agrippa, but I fear wandering out of the shallow pool, I'd have lost you). Bravo sir, you've personified the shoddy level of political debate that has put this country in this woeful state. I salute your ignorance!

please refer to my previous post

antodeco

I dont get it. Did this happen in the library with the dagger?

Diogenes

snyper wrote: »

please refer to my previous post

Or the more traditional, "I know what you are, but what am I?"

Seriously do you have rebuttal better than a juvenile schoolboy response, child?

giggsy664

I know I am but what am I?

Biggins

giggsy664 wrote: »

I know I am but what am I?

I think therefore I am...
...though that was obvious...

hint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum

AckwelFoley

Diogenes wrote: »

Or the more traditional, "I know what you are, but what am I?"

Seriously do you have rebuttal better than a juvenile schoolboy response, child?

please refer to my second post

LoanShark

They did give us a glimpse of what life would be like if we all lived in big
houses and drove big cars and had 2 mobile phones and every year went to the galway races and bought the stupidest thing that we knew we didnt need and convinced us that if we had to tighten our belts it only ment that we were loosing weight,and that paying three times over the odds for somthing was considered a very very very good investment...

Diogenes

snyper wrote: »

please refer to my second post

Repeating yourself isn't wit. Getting snotty isn't wit. Walk away you're not in the shallow end of the debating pool. Saying the same thing over and over again, will win the argument in the playground, also it seems you are incapable of constructing sentences, something that's considered juvenile. You can keep posting childish rebuttals, and I will keep pointing out how infantile they are, or you could slink off all embarrassed like.

Or you could you post a coherent rebuttal. But we both know options A and B are more likely don't we child?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

snyper wrote: »

Bollocks

SPLITTER!!!

LoanShark

What ever happened to the progressive democrats then Reg?

AckwelFoley

Spouting the tired same old rehashed tabloid garbage doesnt warrant debate

AlmightyCushion

Diogenes, snyper, the two of ye cut it out.

ejmaztec

This thread seems to be a lot of bollocks.

LoanShark

ejmaztec wrote: »

This thread seems to be a lot of bollocks.

"SPLITTER":D

Quazzie

ejmaztec wrote: »

This thread seems to be a lot of bollocks.

You're out of order!!! This whole court is out of order!!!!

Diogenes

snyper wrote: »

Spouting the tired same old rehashed tabloid garbage doesnt warrant debate

Pointing out that 11million euro was spent in Garda overtime at Corib, enough to secure a year of 12 yo girls from cervical cancer isn't to my mind "rehashed tabloid garbage". I think if theres a drug than protect a generation of irish children from a lethal disease is something we can and should do.


Snyper things take protecting people from cancer is "garbage "that" doesnt {sic} warrant debate....

Captain Darling

I blame the Romans.

Bastards!

Sharpshooter

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

You're out of order!!! This whole court is out of order!!!!

* Hands Quazzie2002 a gavel *.

AckwelFoley

You forgot e-voting machines

Pride Fighter

Fianna Fail are not that bad. Well they are, but none of the other political parties could have done better.

Capt'n Midnight

apart from 18 months FF have been in power for a generation so they can't blame anyone else for the missed chances of improving quality of life for us

All right, but apart from the safe drinking water in Galway,
the original problem was lack of investment and it took ages to sort out a basic health issue
and lead pipes are still a problem in galway


Investment in Public Transport,
NTR get €600m for a £30m bridge which was no use without the £300m road paid for with public money, the whole cost overruns with NRA
and almost nothing for Dublin Bus

education,
class sizes, the apalling state of primary schools

the roads,
yip any thing to get people into cars so they can sit in jams and our koyoto bill will be several hundred million
still 400,000 L drivers out there
still have hard shoulder that are of no use , layby would do the same job at a fraction of the cost and where suitable lanes exist we could add lots of overtaking lanes to N roads

public order in Limerick,
tell that to the innocent rugby player

Cervical Cancer Jabs for Women,
haven't looked up the cost benefit on this compared to other health issues
but it is an area with good PR
seeing as how 1 in 16 of carry the gene for cystic fibrosis , screening the population for this and cholesterol genes and other known health problems might not be a bad investment either

the Corib Gas Pipeline,
Hmmm, I thought Shell were responsible for that

the health service,
trolley ?

investment in home grown industry
yet more money for the builders and screw small businesses

public health,
we are investing almost nothing in prevention of many diseases that don't have good PR campaign ,
a little investment in cleaning / quarantine would sort MRSA like it did in holland

what have Fianna Fail ever done for us?
XERXES:
Brought peace.
yes but I can't help feeling it was done as a distraction / time had come anyway
and besides more people have died on our roads than during the troubles - don't have the stats but the over kill relative to UK road safety is probably more than the troubles

Bob the Builder

It's stupid the way people blame FF now...

• Why didn't they blame FF when they were throwing medical cards at the rich old people rather than canceling national debt out, which would have being more logical, and as we can see now(with National debt running at 6%) would have been much beneficial in the long term?
• Why didn't we make the financial regulator do his job when he was sitting on his arse doing nothing rather than now?
• Why did we accept the mistakes of PPARS, and e-voting by voting for the mistakes all over again. Just that now, everything is being taken off everyone, now we start complaining.
• Why is everyone now supporting FG, because everyone else is
• Would we have made the same scapegoat out of Bertie if he was in power now? (i.e. the man who can do no wrong)

Because voters are stupid, and democracy doesn't work.

As for cervical cancer, I say cut the funding. As for the medical card, I say take it off them. As for Education, I say double the funding. - Moral of the story; As long as Budget cuts don't affect me, I completely agree with them. All voters behave like this, whether they admit it or not.

In this case, it's the voters fault.
I'm anti-parties, but I'd pick Fine Gael if i had to btw.

brianthebard

Excuse me nevf, I always blamed FF. And I don't agree with budget cuts just because they don't affect me, I don't have a cervix but still think its criminal to not introduce the vaccine.

Wurly

brianthebard wrote: »

I don't have a cervix .

Yer not missin much, let me tell ya!

Bob the Builder

brianthebard wrote: »

Excuse me nesf, I always blamed FF. And I don't agree with budget cuts just because they don't affect me, I don't have a cervix but still think its criminal to not introduce the vaccine.

I presume you're talking to me.

But if you were a rich old age pensioner, and FF said they'd give you a free medical card, even at the expense of protecting their public finances, and then FG said they'd protect the public finances, but they wouldn't give you a free medical card.

Can you honestly say you wouldn't vote for FF based on this?

brianthebard

nevf wrote: »

I presume you're talking to me.

But if you were a rich old age pensioner, and FF said they'd give you a free medical card, even at the expense of protecting their public finances, and then FG said they'd protect the public finances, but they wouldn't give you a free medical card.

Can you honestly say you wouldn't vote for FF based on this?

Yes because I'm not a moron.

Bob the Builder

brianthebard wrote: »

Yes because I'm not a moron.

I never said you're a moron.

It is a factor when you're voting for people, how it's going to affect your pocket, whether you admit it or not.

brianthebard

I didn't say you said.. *head hurts* Only a moron would say the budget was a good one because they got a tax cut, even though the rest of it was harmful to society.

tony1kenobi

Diogenes wrote: »

Pointing out that 11million euro was spent in Garda overtime at Corib, enough to secure a year of 12 yo girls from cervical cancer isn't to my mind "rehashed tabloid garbage". I think if theres a drug than protect a generation of irish children from a lethal disease is something we can and should do.


Snyper things take protecting people from cancer is "garbage "that" doesnt {sic} warrant debate....

Perhaps, but paraphrasing a 30 year old film script is rehashing, and your rehash was rubbish.....so the only bit really missing was the tabloid bit........

Also your prolific references to rebuttal suggest you just want a mass debate.....and that's best done alone.

Now that is python....bitch.

Bob the Builder

brianthebard wrote: »

I didn't say you said.. *head hurts* Only a moron would say the budget was a good one because they got a tax cut, even though the rest of it was harmful to society.

yah, you're right. Thanks for clarifying it. although, i meant it differently, but i know where you were coming from too.

tallaghtoutlaws

You know I always vote FF only because my two local councellors the good ones are both FF. They get things done simple fact so why vote someone else from the opposition when they have done nothing. My voting is swayed by what they can do in your local area first.

As for this age old argument seriously its always going to be two sided. Neither side agreeing with each other. Let me put it this way say the people do vote out FF and vote in FG, and they last the same length of time in power as FF do you not think for one second these same arguments wont come up? Come on give me a break.

Myself I vote to get good councellors locally. Will this country ever change? No it will have its good times then its bad times, We will moan about both times, Then the revolving door keeps turning and turning and turning. Marge change the channel.

brendansmith

Alot done, more to do!

SimpleSam06

Diogenes wrote: »

The safe drinking water in Galway?

So tell me, if I break a window should I get credit for replacing it?

Diogenes wrote: »

And the Investment in Public Transport, that was well done.

Indeed, thats why Dublin has won the "worst designed city" award among EU city planners for several years running. They actually use it as an example of how not to do public planning, its becoming quite the exhibition centre.

Diogenes wrote: »

And the roads.

Dunno where you're living, but getting the EU and private toll companies to pay for dodgy road networks (or just not bother in the west) doesn't qualify as a fianna fail plus.

Diogenes wrote: »

Home Grown Industry.

What? Just what? We have essentially no home grown industry. We have a lot of foreign companies who could relocate on a whim though (and probably will if Obama has anything to do with it). What we do have is a bloated and ineffective public sector that will serve as a millstone around the country's neck for the forseeable future.

Diogenes wrote: »

The Health Service.

How can anyone say this with a straight face? Gigantic sums of money poured down the bottomless gullet of the health service and you still need health insurance. And even then you'll be waiting to share your room with someone else.

Diogenes wrote: »

Education.

I'd like a portacabin for my children to be educated in, please. What, we need to pay extra for the portaloos? The bushes will be grand, you say? I suppose leaves are free...

Diogenes wrote: »

And the Corib Gas Pipeline.

Shell.

Diogenes wrote: »

Cervical Cancer Jabs for Women .

The ones they need to pay for themselves, yes.

Diogenes wrote: »

And it's safe to walk in the streets of Limerick at night now, Reg.

Unless someone puts fifteen bullets in you for the craic.

Diogenes wrote: »

Brought peace.

Fail. Actually your whole post is a massive fail, it in fact gives fresh new meaning to the word fail, and should forever be referenced in all common lexicons and volumes of definition as the quintessential example of pure, unrefined fail in its natural state. I find it ironic that the party you are supporting uses the word fail as half its name, given the unprecedented levels of fail that your post brought into the world. The mean and median fail on the internet just went up by several points, I'm thinking of buying stocks in fail in case theres a run on it.

brendansmith wrote:

Alot done, more to do!

I always thought that was, I done ye all, no more to do.

antodeco

Free swans to all immigrants!

DamoKen

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

So tell me, if I break a window should I get credit for replacing it?


Indeed, thats why Dublin has won the "worst designed city" award among EU city planners for several years running. They actually use it as an example of how not to do public planning, its becoming quite the exhibition centre.


Dunno where you're living, but getting the EU and private toll companies to pay for dodgy road networks (or just not bother in the west) doesn't qualify as a fianna fail plus.

......

I think the OP was being ironic?

dSTAR

snyper wrote: »

please refer to my previous post

That is such a polly response.

Snyper for PM

SimpleSam06

Diogenes wrote: »

What a well measured and rational response, with your rebuttal clear and concise and a point by point dismantle of my arguments laid out in a clear and well measured surgical assault on my rift. I am frankly in awe of the laser like precision of your rationality and fear I am in the presence of the finest debating mind to walk this earth since Socrates. (I would have said Cicero or Agrippa, but I fear wandering out of the shallow pool, I'd have lost you). Bravo sir, you've personified the shoddy level of political debate that has put this country in this woeful state. I salute your ignorance!

DamoKen wrote: »

I think the OP was being ironic?

Judging by the above, I'd have thought not. If he was, then lol. Lol at us all, I say!

ednwireland

nothing done more to do, more like
no strategy no plan just blow all the money i heard all the portakabins for schools are rented from on company in cork, wonder who owns that, and which tent he's in at the galway races.

and the pd's were no better ever, just a bunch of talentless nobodies who knew they would get nowhere unless they were ina small party ina coalition.
i've agreed with very little of what FF have done and even 2 years ago they fuelled teh building bubble in the budget when they should have looked at their sppending annd started targeting that to the vulnerable and not paying more administrators - grr dont get me started oh you just did sorry

thebman

Diogenes wrote: »

Or the more traditional, "I know what you are, but what am I?"

Seriously do you have rebuttal better than a juvenile schoolboy response, child?

How about this one:
http://xkcd.com/16/

If you were to ask the people of Galway to thank FF for cleaning their water supply that FF didn't maintain the facilities for to their face, they will probably tear out and eat your heart. To actual try to promote this as a positive for FF is mind blowingly stupid if you want my honest opinion.

Next you'll claim they deserve credit for the National Broadband Scheme which is years late, will not bring broadband to all and is an attempt to cover up the lack of competition they created by privatising a public body with the entire national infastructure that the tax payer paid for so that we could be charged the highest line rental in the world by eircom for a service that is one of the worst in Europe all because of the toothless and completely ineffective regulator (Comreg) they setup.

Then they turn around and say Europe made us privatise eircom and tried to blame the whole mess on them and wonder why the Lisbon Treaty was rejected and to top it all off all they had to do in this case was research the other countries that privatised first and see adopt the policies of a country where privatising actually worked.

javaboy

Look, my lad, I know a dead shit parrot parody when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

Capt'n Midnight

nevf wrote:

But if you were a [_____] , and FF said they'd give you a free [_____] even at the expense of protecting their public finances, and then FG said they'd protect the public finances, but they wouldn't give you a free [_____]

Can you honestly say you wouldn't vote for FF based on this?

they bought so many elections this way , nevermind the long term problems
I can't think of any FF'er who thought beyond the next election
anyone remember
- ending rates on houses
- Health Cuts hurt the old, the sick and the handicapped
- SSIA's

Even if the first post was a parody the average FF'er would probably treat it as gospel. These people keep electing the party of big business , lip service and populist policies (to get re-elected)

As for people supporting the party of local councillers , I understand that SF can do good work at local level, but stuff like proxy bombs means I could never vote for them at a national level. Unless the other canidates were from the Khymer Rouge

Capt'n Midnight

plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose
http://struggle.ws/once/pd_chap6.html
Ireland: Before the 1987 general election, Fianna Fail flooded the country with posters and billboards declaring "Health Cuts hurt the old, the sick and the handicapped". Within months of their being returned to government they were implementing massive cutbacks in spending on health.

Prior to the general election of 1982, Fine Gael took out newspaper advertisements warning that if Fianna Fail were elected they would impose a new local tax in the form of service charges. Fianna Fail, meanwhile, warned in the same newspapers that if Fine Gael won, they would impose service charges. The Labour Party made a "clear and unambiguous" statement that they were totally opposed to such charges. Following the election, a Fine Gael-Labour government was formed and in July 1983 the Local Government Provisions Act No. 2 was passed by them. This empowered County Managers to charge for services. Fianna Fail fought the subsequent 1985 local elections on an anti-service charge ticket but immediately after the elections their councillors around the country did a U-turn and voted for charges. Just before the general election of 1987, Fianna Fail gave a written guarantee to the National Association of Tenants Organisations (NATO) that if returned to government they would scrap local charges. They were and they didn't. In fact charges continued to be levied for the next decade until a massive campaign of people power led to their abolition. Over that ten-year period several TDs were elected to Dail Eireann on anti-charges tickets. Eamonn Gilmore, Kathleen Lynch (both Democratic Left) and Emmett Stagg (Labour) were all initially involved in anti-charges campaigns and were actively calling on people not to pay the charges. Yet all ended up in a government which was dragging people before the courts for exactly that.

thelordofcheese

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Fail. Actually your whole post is a massive fail, it in fact gives fresh new meaning to the word fail, and should forever be referenced in all common lexicons and volumes of definition as the quintessential example of pure, unrefined fail in its natural state. I find it ironic that the party you are supporting uses the word fail as half its name, given the unprecedented levels of fail that your post brought into the world. The mean and median fail on the internet just went up by several points, I'm thinking of buying stocks in fail in case theres a run on it.

The ironing here is delicious.

ScumLord

brendansmith wrote: »

Alot done, more to do!

Allot botched, so much work to fix it.

Capt'n Midnight

ScumLord wrote: »

Allot botched, so much work to fix it.

a lot done , as in a lot of people have been done

javaboy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

a lot done , as in a lot of people have been done

CJH said it best:

Charlie Haughey wrote:

I have done the state some service.

Diogenes

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

So tell me, if I break a window should I get credit for replacing it?


Indeed, thats why Dublin has won the "worst designed city" award among EU city planners for several years running. They actually use it as an example of how not to do public planning, its becoming quite the exhibition centre.


Dunno where you're living, but getting the EU and private toll companies to pay for dodgy road networks (or just not bother in the west) doesn't qualify as a fianna fail plus.


What? Just what? We have essentially no home grown industry. We have a lot of foreign companies who could relocate on a whim though (and probably will if Obama has anything to do with it). What we do have is a bloated and ineffective public sector that will serve as a millstone around the country's neck for the forseeable future.


How can anyone say this with a straight face? Gigantic sums of money poured down the bottomless gullet of the health service and you still need health insurance. And even then you'll be waiting to share your room with someone else.


I'd like a portacabin for my children to be educated in, please. What, we need to pay extra for the portaloos? The bushes will be grand, you say? I suppose leaves are free...


Shell.


The ones they need to pay for themselves, yes.


Unless someone puts fifteen bullets in you for the craic.


Fail. Actually your whole post is a massive fail, it in fact gives fresh new meaning to the word fail, and should forever be referenced in all common lexicons and volumes of definition as the quintessential example of pure, unrefined fail in its natural state. I find it ironic that the party you are supporting uses the word fail as half its name, given the unprecedented levels of fail that your post brought into the world. The mean and median fail on the internet just went up by several points, I'm thinking of buying stocks in fail in case theres a run on it.


I always thought that was, I done ye all, no more to do.

You really did fail elementary satire didn't you|?