Mistakes in Star Wars

evil-monkey

Was discussing mistakes in SW with a buddy the other day...

So, what have we;

1. Boba Fett's origins
2. End of Labyrinth of Evil

Anything else??

norrie rugger

yoda being apprehensive about training anakin, as he was too old but had no problem training a late teen/early twenties Luke

evil-monkey

norrie rugger wrote: »

yoda being apprehensive about training anakin, as he was too old but had no problem training a late teen/early twenties Luke

i dunno was that a mistake. Yoda may well have thought, era **** it, it's this or nothing. it's not like the Jedi Order was the same...

norrie rugger

he could have trained up vader's apprentice. As vader tried to recruit. Imagine, it is bad enough with the emperor and vader but at least there is a rebellion. Now there could be vader and luke! Luke already has knowledge of a lot of rebellion plans.
Yoda had already seen one old kid become the downfall of the republic and he is going to risk the last opposing force to vader?
That is unless he gets that luke is the unifying force and not anakin. But as that is not explained, it is a mistake

evil-monkey

norrie rugger wrote: »

he could have trained up vader's apprentice. As vader tried to recruit. Imagine, it is bad enough with the emperor and vader but at least there is a rebellion. Now there could be vader and luke! Luke already has knowledge of a lot of rebellion plans.
Yoda had already seen one old kid become the downfall of the republic and he is going to risk the last opposing force to vader?
That is unless he gets that luke is the unifying force and not anakin. But as that is not explained, it is a mistake

well no it's not a mistake. if anything, the simplest rebbutal here is that Yoda was right to train Luke...

anyway, the fact that Yoda was taking a HUGE chance, which I accept he was, isn't a mistake in the plot by any means. it's a completely acceptable turn of events in the plot. i don't see exactly where it is that the mistake lies.

i don't think Yoda's reasons don't have to be explained; he was tired, weary of it all, the Jedi Order was extinct and he knew he could have a stab at passing his teachings onto Luke, or just let the Order die with himself...it was a risk he really had to take...

AnCapaillMor

Actually Yoda was none too enthusiastic at the start about luke, besides he really had no choice in the end.


The clones, the guy they were based on ends up working with the bad guys and noone ever really stopped and said wait a minute there's something up here. And they dropped the whole sephidius ordering the army in the first place. I know they did'nt really have a choice in the matter with the seperatists but still.

evil-monkey

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Actually Yoda was none too enthusiastic at the start about luke, besides he really had no choice in the end.

exactly. either way it's not a mistake.

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

The clones, the guy they were based on ends up working with the bad guys and noone ever really stopped and said wait a minute there's something up here. And they dropped the whole sephidius ordering the army in the first place. I know they did'nt really have a choice in the matter with the seperatists but still.

don't follow exactly what ya mean here buddy...

dade

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

The clones, the guy they were based on ends up working with the bad guys and noone ever really stopped and said wait a minute there's something up here. till.

Jango was hired to provide a Genome for the clone troopers and to provide training to the clones with the assistance of other mandalorians like Skirata and so on. that was it a simple contract, the fact that Jango was in the employ of the separatists probably had something to do with that fight between him and Obi wan on Kamino. Jango may have thought the republic wanted him dead now that he was of now use to them.

AnCapaillMor

He buggered off to their secret unknown base, the fact that he knew where it was shows he was in league.

The more i think about it, the more ingenious sidious's plan was.

dade

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

The more i think about it, the more ingenious sidious's plan was.

too right it was, playing both sides off each other feeding them Intel as they needed it either ti increase the publics fear of the separatists or have the republic crash the party so to speak.

if you read any of the republic commando novels you can see a lot of this.

very limited numbers after the Battle of geonosis and estimated of quintillion's of droids all to set the people panicking, then in Order 66 a new batch of clones but not from Kamino so not trained by the mandalorians and though I've not finished that it yet i reckon put in place just in time to execute order 66 and not just wipe out the Jedi but also the Jango clones too and also totally loyal to him so he could keep his grip on the galaxy

evil-monkey

dade wrote: »

Jango was hired to provide a Genome for the clone troopers and to provide training to the clones with the assistance of other mandalorians like Skirata and so on. that was it a simple contract, the fact that Jango was in the employ of the separatists probably had something to do with that fight between him and Obi wan on Kamino. Jango may have thought the republic wanted him dead now that he was of now use to them.

ya i don't think this was a mistake. his services went to the highest bidder. and Sidious really just had everything planned out to perfection...he played both the Confederacy and the Republic like pawns...

Venom

evil-monkey wrote: »

Was discussing mistakes in SW with a buddy the other day...

So, what have we;

1. Boba Fett's origins

What mistakes in Boba Fett's origin?

dade

evil-monkey wrote: »

ya i don't think this was a mistake. his services went to the highest bidder. and Sidious really just had everything planned out to perfection...he played both the Confederacy and the Republic like pawns...

after reading some more of order 66

apparently Jango's family where killed by the Jedi. So maybe he knew who palpatine was and came up with the idea of order 66 or saw the irony of the clones saving the republics ass then getting destroyed by their saviors shortly after that

Venom wrote: »

What mistakes in Boba Fett's origin?

IIRC the original story was that his real name was Jaster Mareel and was something akin to a cop on Madalore and if I'm right someone killed his wife and kid and he tracked down and killed the suspect and his punishment was being told never to return to Madalore

can't remember where that story actully came from if it was a comic book or just background that was made up for the character

Venom

dade wrote: »

after reading some more of order 66

apparently Jango's family where killed by the Jedi. So maybe he knew who palpatine was and came up with the idea of order 66 or saw the irony of the clones saving the republics ass then getting destroyed by their saviors shortly after that

IIRC the original story was that his real name was Jaster Mareel and was something akin to a cop on Madalore and if I'm right someone killed his wife and kid and he tracked down and killed the suspect and his punishment was being told never to return to Madalore

can't remember where that story actully came from if it was a comic book or just background that was made up for the character

Think it was from one of the earlier books about Fett but the thing about SW cannon is moves -> everything else.

dade

true true it's just a pity they don't try and tie the two more closely together that's all. i mean one of the Lucas companies must sanction the books and story lines you'd think they'd keep it consistent. but then after so many games, books, comics, movies, spin off movies & Christmas specials and now TV shows it probably becomes more difficult. that of Lucas doesn't give a damn

evil-monkey

dade wrote: »

after reading some more of order 66

apparently Jango's family where killed by the Jedi. So maybe he knew who palpatine was and came up with the idea of order 66 or saw the irony of the clones saving the republics ass then getting destroyed by their saviors shortly after that

IIRC the original story was that his real name was Jaster Mareel and was something akin to a cop on Madalore and if I'm right someone killed his wife and kid and he tracked down and killed the suspect and his punishment was being told never to return to Madalore

can't remember where that story actully came from if it was a comic book or just background that was made up for the character

Venom wrote: »

Think it was from one of the earlier books about Fett but the thing about SW cannon is moves -> everything else.

The Jaster Mareel thing was also included in a few of the older books on Lucas' official timeline...

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VinLieger

Thanks to Lucas and his ability to sign over the rights to starwars to pretty much anyone these days a vast amount of the background story for original characters has been ret-cond so he can line his pockets even more.
The most blatant of these is the history of the Fetts which when lucas realised how popular the charatcers were decided that he could make a rake of cash out of media featuring them so pretty much all of the info about them from the orginal movies is now bogus.

evil-monkey

VinLieger wrote: »

Thanks to Lucas and his ability to sign over the rights to starwars to pretty much anyone these days a vast amount of the background story for original characters has been ret-cond so he can line his pockets even more.
The most blatant of these is the history of the Fetts which when lucas realised how popular the charatcers were decided that he could make a rake of cash out of media featuring them so pretty much all of the info about them from the orginal movies is now bogus.

Ya the Fetts was a big error all right. But I think to be fair, in such an expansive universe and all that's been done, it's pretty good how everything has been kept in sync (in anything listed as canon anyway)

slave1

biggest mistake in star wars, jar-jar, testing out a digital character, fair enough, but that guy was the most annoying #@$*

smooch71

The biggest mistake in Star Wars was casting Jake Lloyd as Anakin in "Episode" 1.

His acting makes Jar Jar look like Alec Guinness.

Ditto Hayden Christensen in Ep II

The Chessplayer

Casting Mark Hamill was surely a mistake. Could've had Burt Reynolds or your man who played Shaft, or maybe John Travolta, he was around back then too.

stovelid

evil-monkey wrote: »

Anything else??

Episodes 1, 2 and 3?

The Chessplayer

donegalfella wrote: »

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Yeah but that's just what Yoda says in the film, which is supposedly a historical misrepresentation. In real life Yoda never had any issue with Luke's age, but rather with his weight. Would have said something like "too fat is he, training to begin, yes."

The studio felt that a fat Luke Skywalker would never win the box-office over.

evil-monkey

slave1 wrote: »

biggest mistake in star wars, jar-jar, testing out a digital character, fair enough, but that guy was the most annoying #@$*

smooch71 wrote: »

The biggest mistake in Star Wars was casting Jake Lloyd as Anakin in "Episode" 1.

His acting makes Jar Jar look like Alec Guinness.

Ditto Hayden Christensen in Ep II

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Casting Mark Hamill was surely a mistake. Could've had Burt Reynolds or your man who played Shaft, or maybe John Travolta, he was around back then too.

stovelid wrote: »

Episodes 1, 2 and 3?

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Yeah but that's just what Yoda says in the film, which is supposedly a historical misrepresentation. In real life Yoda never had any issue with Luke's age, but rather with his weight. Would have said something like "too fat is he, training to begin, yes."

The studio felt that a fat Luke Skywalker would never win the box-office over.

:rolleyes: I think ye've all missed the point a little...

asdasd

So can someone explain this. When Obi Wan Kenobi meets the droids in episode 4 ( the first one :-) ) he doesnt know them. is he acting? does he know who luke is?

evil-monkey

asdasd wrote: »

So can someone explain this. When Obi Wan Kenobi meets the droids in episode 4 ( the first one :-) ) he doesnt know them. is he acting? does he know who luke is?

Of course he knew who Luke was. As for the droids, I asked that question myself and the best answer imho was that Obi-Wan just wasn't letting on who they were. What he said was "I never recalled owning a droid" - which was technically true, as he likes to put it, from a certain point of view.

glenjamin

I would assume Leia remembering her mother is a mistake as she (Padme) died in childbirth?

jk47

glenjamin wrote: »

I would assume Leia remembering her mother is a mistake as she (Padme) died in childbirth?

She could still remember what she looked like which is what she said.