History of Beer in Pubs

Nothingcompares

Hey I was just wondering what the general time line was for the introduction of different beers into Irish pubs on draught and in bottles.

Like I read that Carlsberg first made it's way into Ireland in 1955.

Like let's say, the 1930s, was all you could buy in a pub in Dublin was guiness? When did things like smithwicks get introduced? Harp? Bulmers (cider)? When did the budweisers and the heinekens and other "foreign" beers start getting tap space?

Any body know the answers to these kind of questions (or where to look to find the answers)?

Tom Dunne

You will probably get a more sane answer over here.

Moved from BGRH.

Nothingcompares

hope so

oblivious

Hi Nothingcompares

[url=[http://www.irishcraftbrewer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=71]The Beer & Cider in Ireland: The Complete Guide[/url] is a good book to get you starter off,

Also members of the Irish craft brewer have put together a Map the Lost Breweries of Ireland

Also a Ron Patterson , a beer blogger maintains a good webs site on such information

http://www.xs4all.nl/~patto1ro/irlbrew.htm

Hope this is of some help

Zaph

According to my father there was a pub on Eden Quay which had Spaten (or as they labelled it at the time, Spatenbrau) on draught in the early 1960s. Himself and some mates used to make a point of going there some nights because Spaten was available.

oblivious

Zaph wrote: »

According to my father there was a pub on Eden Quay which had Spaten (or as they labelled it at the time, Spatenbrau) on draught in the early 1960s. Himself and some mates used to make a point of going there some nights because Spaten was available.

Spaten in Ireland with inbev sound great

Blisterman

Guinness Draught was introduced in 1959.
Budweiser in 1982, if I recall correctly.

BeerNut

In the 1930s you would likely have had a choice of three or four Dublin stouts. Guinness always did a very good job of erasing the very memory of its competitors along with their beers and their breweries.

Heineken began being brewed in Ireland in the early '70s: they had an advertising campaign based around their anniversary down in Cork a couple of years ago.

The first beer called "Smithwick's" was introduced in 1960, after the brewery was purchased by Guinness and its Number 1 Ale recipe was made blander and sweeter for the draught market. Up until 1920 the Smithwick Brewery also made porter and stout. They were made stop by Guinness after the Dublin brewery had helped them when the Smithwick's staff went on strike. I can't help wondering if the strike was something to do with the War of Independence: one Ascendency brewery coming to the aid of another while the natives are restless.

Guinness itself stopped brewing porter in 1970.

Nothingcompares

thanks for all the help so far lads. i must read those books oblivious mentioned.

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BeerNut wrote: »

Guinness itself stopped brewing porter in 1970.

Any recommendations on a good porter, available here?

Pubs or offies.

BeerNut

Des wrote: »

Any recommendations on a good porter, available here?

Fuller's London Porter is probably the best on the Irish market, though Baltika 6 is also pretty good. You occasionally see Okocim Porter around: it's extremely full-flavoured, though a bit much for me.

I know some people like Sierra Nevada Porter, but I can't stand the stuff myself, especially when put next to their excellent stout.

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BeerNut wrote: »

Fuller's London Porter is probably the best on the Irish market,

I love London Pride, but I haven't seen this London Porter.

Do Tesco carry it?

BeerNut wrote: »

though Baltika 6 is also pretty good.

Oh yeah, I remember drinking that in the Porter House.

Lovely stuff.

BeerNut wrote: »

Okocim Porter...Sierra Nevada Porter

Where to get?

Thanks man.

BeerNut

Des wrote: »

I love London Pride, but I haven't seen this London Porter.

Do Tesco carry it?

Not that I've ever seen. Specialist beer off licences only, I think.

Des wrote: »

Where to get?

Specialist beer off licences -- try the usual Dublin ones (Redmond's, McHughs, Carvill's, Drink Store etc). SN Porter is fairly common, but I only remember meeting Okocim Porter once, in Carvill's.

oblivious

Des wrote: »

I love London Pride, but I haven't seen this London Porter.

Its released as a seasonal, it should be out now but you do see a few knocking around during the summer

Its is a bit different to Guinness (I think better) as its a London porter and has brown malt that gives it a unique taste

I also Second Sierra Nevada Porter, is Okocim Porter available over here?

oblivious

Another good one is St. Peter's Old-Style Porter, which is some what usual for these days as its a mature old ale blended with a younger light ale

An I have seen this in a few smaller off license as well

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Good information there lads.

Cheers.

BeerNut

oblivious wrote: »

Another good one is St. Peter's Old-Style Porter

Totally forgot about this one: magnificent beer. Better than Fuller's LP, in fact. St. Peter's Honey Porter is pretty good too, though not exactly a typical porter.

Nothingcompares

so beernut, if you walked into your favourite local in 1975 what would be on tap?

BeerNut

Nothingcompares wrote: »

so beernut, if you walked into your favourite local in 1975 what would be on tap?

Jeez, I couldn't tell you -- it depends as much on how and where things were being distributed as what was actually being brewed. Guinness, Smithwick's and Harp would probably all have been there, but I'm not so sure about the foreign brands: Double Diamond might have been around, and Bass would probably have been more common as well.

Nothingcompares

thanks

BeerNut

Des wrote: »

Any recommendations on a good porter, available here?

This just in: Messrs Maguire have their porter on tap at the moment.

oblivious

The smoked one?

BeerNut

If MM Imperial was back I wouldn't be reporting it here. In fact, I wouldn't be here at all.

No, it's MM Porter, the one he bottled last year, served on on CO2 keg. Not a sock-blower-offer, but a decent, well-made dry porter with some nice coffee notes to it.

the beer revolu

I couldn't warm to the MM smoked one at all.
Thought it tasted like porter with some smoky single malt thrown in.
(although that sounds kinda nice!?)
But it didn't work for me.

LordSutch

Here are just some of the English beers that I wish we had in Irish Pubs; - London Pride, Abbott Ale, Spitfire, Old Thumper, Bombardier, Reverend James, Bishops Finger, Bishops Tipple, Widows peg, Youngs Premium, Old Speckled Hen, Bulldog, Adnams, Marstons, Hogs back, Hobgoblin, Directors, Badger, Tanglefoot, Ruddles, IPA All Great cask Beers with Great names yet none of them are available in Irish Pub's

And yet, Irish Beers, Irish Cider & Irish Stouts like Guinness, Beamish, Smithwicks, Bulmers, etc are readily available all over England .......

oblivious

Bull and castle and porter hose I know stock a few of those and Bierhaus
in cork probably does also