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Agenda 21: Let's get serious CT'ers!

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  • 02-11-2008 7:38am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭


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    I’ve offered my hand before in a vain attempt to rally an organized Irish dissidence but many members do not agree with my advocacy of covert operations and public subterfuge. We really need to move beyond speculation and begin our staunch cohesive endeavours. There’s little point in describing the surrounding water to the drowning man. I’ll be submitting my research to this thread periodically and according to topic. This is just a starting point:

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    In a nutshell Agenda 21 is a program run by the United Nations related to sustainable development. This global blueprint dictates the requisite action to be taken in governing all aspects of human impact on the environment. The full text was divulged at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development in Rio de Janeiro on June 14, 1992. The program was adopted by 149 governments.

    The text itself is 900 pages in length and is segregated under the following four sections:
    • Section I: Social and Economic Dimensions
    • Section II: Conservation and Management of Resources for Development
    • Section III: Strengthening the Role of Major Groups
    • Section IV: Means of Implementation

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    Agenda 21 elevates nature above man and is based in its entirety on socialist control mechanisms. The global to local action plan concerns itself with global government. These eludes an end to national sovereignty, the abolition of private property, the restructure of the family unit and the increased restriction of mobility and individual opportunity.

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    You should have. George Bush executed the Agenda 21 protocols in 1992. Within a year Bill Clinton by executive order established the Presidential Council for Sustainable Development without congressional hearing. The subsequent eco-sociopathic Biodiversity and Wildlands project has already cast aside millions of acres of public and private American soil in the name of ‘conservation’.

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    This is real and a thing far more fundamental and less trivial than a theory. If you are intelligent enough or at the very least altruistic enough then make a post and express your sincerity to act. Debunkers and trolls are welcome so long as you’re coherent.



    The official Agenda 21 text:
    http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/english/agenda21toc.htm

    A simplified version of the Agenda 21 text:
    http://worldinbalance.net/agreements/1992-rio-agenda21.php


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭rexusdiablos


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    Yes! Let examine how a generation of children of United States are being illicitly indoctrinated as compliant global citizens. Remember that America is indicative of what’s yet to come for us emerald isle spuds.

    UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) declared 2005-2015 as the decade of Education for Sustainable Development and that it will encompass the forty chapters of Agenda 21 by way of amending the Federal National Curriculum (United States Education System). This increasingly environmentally centric approach focuses on the transfer of loyalty from the family to the government’s indoctrinations of sustainable economic consumption.

    The following two excerpts are taken from a 6th- 8th Grade Mathematics curriculum introduced in the nineties:
    “They (the students) learn that mathematics is man-made, that it is arbitrary, and good solutions are arrived at by consensus among those who are considered expert. “

    Connected Mathematics: Section 3 Mathematics as Reasoning

    By this logic 2 + 2 = 4 may no longer hold true should a new ‘consensus’ ever be reached.
    “Because the curriculum does not emphasise arithmetic computations done by hand some CMP students may not do as well on tests assessing computational skills... We believe such a trade-off in favour of CMP is very much to the students advantage in ...the world of work ”

    p.84 (Teacher’s Guide)

    These children are deliberately mathematically illiterate to endow them with a higher propensity for autonomous work! “Why deliberately?” the CT trolls might ask. Read on...
    “Generally, more highly educated people, who have higher incomes, consume more resources then poorly educated people, who tend to have lower incomes. In this case more education increases the threat of sustainability.”

    The Education for Sustainable Development Toolkit

    I shouldn’t have to spell out this for any fellow intellect. Draw the correlation amongst the three excerpts yourselves and try not shiver in disdain.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    “They (the students) learn that mathematics is man-made, that it is arbitrary, and good solutions are arrived at by consensus among those who are considered expert. “

    Connected Mathematics: Section 3 Mathematics as Reasoning


    By this logic 2 + 2 = 4 may no longer hold true should a new ‘consensus’ ever be reached.
    While technically maths is man made and arbitrary, most of the stuff is not arrived at by "consensus".
    New mathematical theories (which are well out of the reach of school level math) are subject to scientific rigor and peer review. Which could be considered consensus by the uninformed.
    But no if a scientist told me 2+2=5 I'd believe him, wouldn't ask for proof or anything.:pac:
    “Because the curriculum does not emphasise arithmetic computations done by hand some CMP students may not do as well on tests assessing computational skills... We believe such a trade-off in favour of CMP is very much to the students advantage in ...the world of work ”

    p.84 (Teacher’s Guide)


    These children are deliberately mathematically illiterate to endow them with a higher propensity for autonomous work! “Why deliberately?” the CT trolls might ask. Read on...
    Or perhaps that most employers around the world would prefer someone with good computer skill than someone without? Trading off manual arithmetic (which isn't really used anymore at university level anyway.) for a better chance of being employed?
    But it does sound sinister, maybe you should play creepy music to make it more convincing.
    “Generally, more highly educated people, who have higher incomes, consume more resources then poorly educated people, who tend to have lower incomes. In this case more education increases the threat of sustainability.”

    The Education for Sustainable Development Toolkit

    I shouldn’t have to spell out this for any fellow intellect. Draw the correlation amongst the three excerpts yourselves and try not shiver in disdain.
    So teaching less math and more computer skills costs less money?
    Paper and pencils costs more than computers?

    But you make a good point though governments such at supplying education.
    Besides it's not like you'd letting your personal beliefs make you cherry pick the sinister sounding bits out of this agenda which would make you see a conspiracy where there is none.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭rexusdiablos


    King Mob wrote: »
    But no if a scientist told me 2+2=5 I'd believe him, wouldn't ask for proof or anything.:pac:

    :pac:
    King Mob wrote: »
    But it does sound sinister, maybe you should play creepy music to make it more convincing.

    An eery playground melody perhaps might fit the bill.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Cause I never ask for proof of extraordinary claims ever.:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭rexusdiablos


    King Mob wrote: »
    Cause I never ask for proof of extraordinary claims ever.:pac:

    I think Kernel is witnessing that very brunt of your inquisition first hand. I applaud scrutiny and indulge in it so long as its not for the sake of idle argument alone. Scrutiny is the best remedy for truth after all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭rexusdiablos


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    The Wildlands Project (hereafter referred to by the acronym TWP) was created to conserve the North American Rocky Mountain Glacier Parks. TWP presently proceeds intent on geographically networking protected regions from Canada to Mexico, from the Pacific to the Atlantic to “reconnect, restore and rewild” nature.

    Established 14 years ago TWP fosters a radical conversation movement that integrates an eclectic mix of scientists, conservationists, government agencies, indigenous peoples, private landowners, non-government organizations (NGOs), and naturalists.

    TWP is a derivative of the aforementioned Agenda 21.

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    Indeed this represents the end goal but what requires further appraisal are the means. TWP’s mission statement while highlighting their revere for wildlife having “room to roam” fails to transparently disclose the subsequent ramifications for us mere Homo sapiens. In short TWP acknowledges that the salvaging of biodiversity implies that the humanizing of landscapes must not only grind to halt but that it must be reversed.

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    Dr. Reed Noss (one of three founders TWP) suggests that “at least half of the land area of the 48 conterminous states should be encompassed in core reserves and inner corridor zones within the next few decades.” Noss is a tenured conservation biologist of 28 years serving several universities, federal and state agencies (including the EPA). Furthermore Noss has divulged “I would offer a more ambitious long-term goal, pending human population reduction, that at least 95 percent of a region be managed as wilderness.”

    Again I shouldn’t have to explicate the allusion for fellow intellects and CT’ers.

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    The backbone of sustenance of TWP is significantly more than an ecological collective. TWP documents from 1993 and 1994 identify 35 different groups as members of the project. A substantial volume of contemporary appeals and litigation antagonizing natural resource dependent industries have been initiated by one or more of these member groups.

    Aside from the aid of countless non-governmental organizations (NGOs) auxiliary interests include agencies of the U.S. government such as the State Department, the Department of Energy, the Forest Service, Fish and Wildlife and the Bureau of Land Management to name but a few. They possess alot more influential weight than meets the eye.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭rexusdiablos


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    I can and I merrily shall.

    Let our appraisal be void of biased and propagated speculation and simply dependant on substantiated citation and referral. Under the guise of perpetuating natural cyclic processes The Wildlands Project (hereafter referred to by the acronym TWP) advocates the dismantling of industrial civilization. Make no mistake that depopulation and the complete governmental acquisition and subsequent abolition of private land is a documented and freely discussed agenda of TWP.

    Let’s begin with verified quotations as delivered by the very founders of TWP: Reed Noss, Michael Soulé and John Davis.
    "Does all the foregoing mean that Wild Earth and The Wildlands Project advocate the end of industrial civilization? Most assuredly."

    – John Davis
    “In many cases, private lands will need to be acquired and added to national forests and other public lands in order to serve as effective buffers."

    "…wilderness areas, and the public and private lands that envelop them must be managed as a whole in order to meet the goal of maintaining natural processes"

    “the native ecosystem and the collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans"

    "…pending human population reduction, that at least 95 percent of a region be managed as wilderness and surrounding multiple-use wildlands."

    - Reed Noss
    "…we see wilderness as the home for unfettered life, free from industrial human intervention."

    "Vast landscapes without roads, dams, motorized vehicles, power lines, over flights, or other artefacts of civilization."

    – TWP Mission Statement
    "For instance, say you own a cattle ranch that sits astride a valley that forms a natural link between two massifs in Montana, and that is vital for a link in the system. And say that I, a stranger, show up one day and ask you to donate your ranch to a conservancy or to the state. At first you would probably think me a fool. At worst you would feel attacked, especially if I said that there would be a bill introduced into the legislature that would declare your land to be a critical habitat, thus justifying its condemnation. But if you had been a partner in an open planning process, you might be more disposed to the conservation objectives of the program, if not the means of realizing it. And it might make a big difference if I told you that I wasn’t asking you to give up ranching on your land, but to consider leaving it to a conservancy after the death of your children, by which time cattle ranching in Montana would probably not be economic."

    - Michael Soulé

    It is only the summation of the above quotations that will allow us to objectively decipher their connotations. The acquisition of private land will be endeavoured by donation, condemnation or purchase to depopulate the majority of land and restore the wilderness and its matrix of composite species.

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    Again I can and I merrily shall.

    Take the time to review the following map created by Dr. Michael Coffman, a principal and esteemed ecologist, biologist and scientist. Prior to absconding the TWP Coffman was responsible for drafting the projected Wildlands map (below) and associated official governmental documentation on behalf of TWP.

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    The map can be interpreted as follows:

    RED: Fifty percent of America is to be segregated into core wilderness reserves and interconnecting corridors facilitating little or no human use.

    YELLOW: The surrounding interconnecting buffer zones facilitate only highly regulated activity.

    BLACK DOTS: Inhabited cities with a populace of greater than 10,000.

    I’m going to work off the assumption that you’re competent enough to graphically identify the projected depopulation and instead will focus on corroborating its implementation. The implementation attempted a swift congressional passing despite ambiguous protocols and corollaries. Eventually four concerned conservative activists (Sovereignty International) used the above map to stop the ratification of the treaty an hour before its scheduled closure and ratification vote. Despite being an unratified signer of the accord America launched the 1966 Endangered Species Act twenty six years prior to the international biodiversity convention which bequeaths them with the longest track record and most comprehensive program of species protection of any country. As with all compromised ratifications, perhaps like the Lisbon Treaty, there seems to arise a ‘work around’ for governments to legitimately but illegitimately realize their objectives. It should be evident to many of you that this no longer falls under the realm of hypothesis rather it is an already instigated depopulation agenda. As aforementioned this is but a starting point and the earliest reference to legislative conflict and congressional passing. Copious contemporary examples exist and exhibit the proliferation of Agenda 21 and the derivative TWP. In future posts I will dispatch such instances and converge specifically on European and Irish implementations.


    Congressional Record S13790:
    http://www.sovereignty.net/p/land/crhutchison.htm


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Did you ever think that you read too much into things to justify your own beliefs?
    There is absolutely nothing sinister about the wild lands project. You just think there is because you see conspiracies everywhere.

    You started with the belief that the illuminati/NWO/jews/lizards, or whatever, want to depopulate humans for some ridiculous reason. You then found (most likely found on another conspiracy website) the wildlands project and latch on it being a conspiracy. Not because there is evidence supporting it, but rather because you think it is kinda like the plot to depopulate the planet.
    You then find (again likely from another conspiracy site) quotes that when taken out of proper context and implied to hint at a conspiracy sound vaguely sinister, then use the as "evidence" for a conspiracy.
    Then because this "conspiracy" isn't actually going to scarce anyone or gain any support you bring up the Lisbon treaty for some reason, likely because the EU is the antichrist or some such nonsense.

    But maybe you have better proof than out of context quotes and baseless speculation, cause they're not particularly convincing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭rexusdiablos


    King Mob wrote: »
    Did you ever think that you read too much into things to justify your own beliefs?

    Yes is the short and candid answer to your query. Conversely I ponder the feasibility of my suspicions being true and negate the former through a sense of ethical responsibility.

    Can you articulate (please use quotation) the specific articles of information that I have provided that you deem to be unsubstantiated, speculative or out of context?

    I stand by the fact that my provision is as factual as it is truthful. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yes is the short and candid answer to your query. Conversely I ponder the feasibility of my suspicions being true and negate the former through a sense of ethical responsibility.

    Can you articulate (please use quotation) the specific articles of information that I have provided that you deem to be unsubstantiated, speculative or out of context?

    I stand by the fact that my provision is as factual as it is truthful. ;)
    Pretty much all of it is unsubstantiated, speculative or out of context.
    For it to look like anything sinister is going on you have to assume that there is a conspiracy. There is absolutely nothing in what you provided that suggests anything other than environmental conservation.

    Where as there is no reason to doubt the factual evidence of your claim (that this program exists, those people said those things) it is your interpretation of this as part of a NWO conspiracy that is flawed.

    THe only thing this "evidence" shows is that you see conspiracies in anything you want.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭rexusdiablos


    King Mob wrote: »
    Pretty much all of it is unsubstantiated, speculative or out of context.


    I cannot fairly address your rebuttal lest you oblige me by judiciously dissecting the elements of my posts that you deem fictitious.

    Please revert to my previous post and adopt the use of quotation to validate your argument:
    Can you articulate (please use quotation) the specific articles of information that I have provided that you deem to be unsubstantiated, speculative or out of context?

    I stand by the fact that my provision is as factual as it is truthful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Haven't read your posts but your design using boards fonts etc of the layout of your posts is great, I wish more people put that amount of creativity into posting, would make threads much nicer to read! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭rexusdiablos


    Gordon wrote: »
    Haven't read your posts but your design using boards fonts etc of the layout of your posts is great, I wish more people put that amount of creativity into posting, would make threads much nicer to read! :)

    Thats very kind of you Gordon. Aesthetics should never be overlooked when conveying a convoluted message. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭FrostyJack


    Thats very kind of you Gordon. Aesthetics should never be overlooked when conveying a convoluted message.

    Aesthetics are great, but actual content would be a lot nicer.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭rexusdiablos


    FrostyJack wrote: »
    Aesthetics are great, but actual content would be a lot nicer.....

    :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob



    TWP is a derivative of the aforementioned Agenda 21.
    Can you substantiate this?
    Furthermore Noss has divulged “I would offer a more ambitious long-term goal, pending human population reduction, that at least 95 percent of a region be managed as wilderness.”

    Again I shouldn’t have to explicate the allusion for fellow intellects and CT’ers.
    Is it possible (and alot more likely) they he is refering to human polulation in the areas they wish to make into nature reserves, and not, as you are trying to infer, the entire country?
    I would think this quote is taken very much out of context.

    Aside from the aid of countless non-governmental organizations (NGOs) auxiliary interests include agencies of the U.S. government such as the State Department, the Department of Energy, the Forest Service, Fish and Wildlife and the Bureau of Land Management to name but a few. They possess alot more influential weight than meets the eye.
    Please elaborate on this otherwise it's just baseless speculation on a conspiracy between these departments.

    Let our appraisal be void of biased and propagated speculation and simply dependant on substantiated citation and referral. Under the guise of perpetuating natural cyclic processes The Wildlands Project (hereafter referred to by the acronym TWP) advocates the dismantling of industrial civilization. Make no mistake that depopulation and the complete governmental acquisition and subsequent abolition of private land is a documented and freely discussed agenda of TWP.
    Have you any proof of any of this outside the quotes you provide?
    "Does all the foregoing mean that Wild Earth and The Wildlands Project advocate the end of industrial civilization? Most assuredly."

    – John Davis
    This quote here seems very out of context can you please provide some?
    Personally I imagine he refering to replacing an industrial civiization with one based on sustainability and conservation.
    “In many cases, private lands will need to be acquired and added to national forests and other public lands in order to serve as effective buffers."

    "…wilderness areas, and the public and private lands that envelop them must be managed as a whole in order to meet the goal of maintaining natural processes"

    “the native ecosystem and the collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans"

    "…pending human population reduction, that at least 95 percent of a region be managed as wilderness and surrounding multiple-use wildlands."

    - Reed Noss

    "…we see wilderness as the home for unfettered life, free from industrial human intervention."

    "Vast landscapes without roads, dams, motorized vehicles, power lines, over flights, or other artefacts of civilization."

    – TWP Mission Statement
    Exactly what about these quotes led you to believe they were referring to anything other than environmental conservation?

    And why exactly would they state their evil conspiracy plan to depopulation the country on their freely accessible mission statement?
    "For instance, say you own a cattle ranch that sits astride a valley that forms a natural link between two massifs in Montana, and that is vital for a link in the system. And say that I, a stranger, show up one day and ask you to donate your ranch to a conservancy or to the state. At first you would probably think me a fool. At worst you would feel attacked, especially if I said that there would be a bill introduced into the legislature that would declare your land to be a critical habitat, thus justifying its condemnation. But if you had been a partner in an open planning process, you might be more disposed to the conservation objectives of the program, if not the means of realizing it. And it might make a big difference if I told you that I wasn’t asking you to give up ranching on your land, but to consider leaving it to a conservancy after the death of your children, by which time cattle ranching in Montana would probably not be economic."

    - Michael Soulé
    Again what exactly is sinister about this?
    They acknowledge the fact that land owners might not be initially bee willing to sell their land. But by working with land owners, hopefully either by donation or through purchase acquire the land.
    It seems you are seeing a connotation that isn't there.
    It is only the summation of the above quotations that will allow us to objectively decipher their connotations. The acquisition of private land will be endeavoured by donation, condemnation or purchase to depopulate the majority of land and restore the wilderness and its matrix of composite species.
    It also seems that you have misread the above%2


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