another MA'er caught

chips1234

mr.casino accidentally outs himself lol

http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-forums/7/100-r-final-table-Hand-3501053?PageIndex=1

phantom_lord

std

Goodluck2me

no big deal imo. no worse that phil laak dressing as the old guy in the wsop.

Wreck

goodluck2me wrote: »

no big deal imo. no worse that phil laak dressing as the old guy in the wsop.

I couldn't care less about this stuff, but there is no rule against what Phil Laak did. There are rules about multi-accounting online.

chips1234

Wreck wrote: »

I couldn't care less about this stuff, but there is no rule against what Phil Laak did. There are rules about multi-accounting online.

+1 and i think someone said in that thread that the 2 a/c's played the 300plo wcoop so i dont think its the same as laak although they said that the 2 only played in that tourney at the same time

WECpoker

My experience as being a member of a couple staking sites for a few years, is that MAing is a widespread occurrance for both the big and small players.

As long as the sites continue to allow it by not cracking down on the practice as hard as possible it will continue with players using the accounts to play multiple players on your SNG, multiple entries in your MTT and multiple screen names to cheat people who do player to player transfers between sites (and to cover themselves in case one account steals from a staking site or transfer site)

badbeatcentral

WECpoker wrote: »

My experience as being a member of a couple staking sites for a few years, is that MAing is a widespread occurrance for both the big and small players.

As long as the sites continue to allow it by not cracking down on the practice as hard as possible it will continue with players using the accounts to play multiple players on your SNG, multiple entries in your MTT and multiple screen names to cheat people who do player to player transfers between sites (and to cover themselves in case one account steals from a staking site or transfer site)

I think stars is really the only site making any sort of effort to crack down on it, they check every major final table for duplicate IP's afaik, and take reports of collusion pretty seriously usually insta-locking accounts pending investigations.

Though i agree it is most likely rampant on the smaller sites with inferior security.

Goodluck2me

WECpoker wrote: »

My experience as being a member of a couple staking sites for a few years, is that MAing is a widespread occurrance for both the big and small players.

As long as the sites continue to allow it by not cracking down on the practice as hard as possible it will continue with players using the accounts to play multiple players on your SNG, multiple entries in your MTT and multiple screen names to cheat people who do player to player transfers between sites (and to cover themselves in case one account steals from a staking site or transfer site)

i think there s abig difference between using another account that noone knows you on, to using two accounts into one tournament.
I think it's ok to have a second account where your alias is different so players don;t know your playing style, but entering two horses into a SNG ect is a different story.

AdMMM

I disagree with you there Joe.

I accept that what Mr.Casino has done is probably pretty minor in comparison to what is going down in the MTT scene, but at the same time it doesn't make it okay because he's still participating in a process that makes him anonymous to all the other players, making all previous notes irrelavent.

What is actually the most interesting aspect is that noone would have noticed had he not accidently outed himself in such hillarious circumstances which makes me think that such actions are "standard". I actually wouldn't mind a losing player create 100s of screenames, but I think a winning player creating a new screename to deceive others is just petty and he deserves to have his funds confiscated.

mormank

i reckon notes should be banned from online. all technological helps should be banned from online poker. i think it gives an unfair advantage to the so called sharks. makes the casual user more wary to play.

Imposter

Lee Jones had an interesting solution for this back when he was with Pokerstars. Let everyone choose there own screenname each time they play. Pokerstars will still know the account name/number but all opponents cannot use notes or other info against you if you keep using a different screenname.

The only real downside to this for the pokersites is that multitablers with their massive databases will probably have to play less tables thereby reducing the rake for the site.

Requiem4adream

AdMMM wrote: »

I actually wouldn't mind a losing player create 100s of screenames, but I think a winning player creating a new screename to deceive others is just petty and he deserves to have his funds confiscated.

I think most will agree with Joe, on a scale of 1 - Master Criminal, this is really a 1. Storm in a teacup.

Couldnt really disagree more on that part quoted. It shouldnt matter whether it's a winning or losing player; it gives both an advantage. Let's say you're doing good in a tournament, get moved to a new table. You get involved in a hand with a random player, you're faced with a marginal decision on the turn and you give the guy the benefit of the doubt and fold. If it's a 2nd account of a player you've played with a lot, you would have been able to make a better decision on the hand if you knew who he was, whether he's brilliant or horrible. So you lose a slight edge.

On other sites you are allowed to change your screenname every so often, and i know stars had this under consideration. With the over-reliance on datamining and sites like OPR/sharkscope, changing screennames is just negating a lost edge. If i walk into a casino anywhere in the world, nobody there would know me and we all start off on a level playing field. This is not the case online. There's an abundance of datamining/tracking/database utilities at everyones disposal. If you wanted, you could often find out the online results, live results and life story of a player in 5 minutes without having played a hand with him/her. That's an immediate (unfair) edge already.

As it stands you cant do this on stars so he'll get whatever punishment is coming to him but i think it's a change the major sites should explore further.

TommyGunne

Cake do it obv. Very similar case to BT.

He broke the rules and thats that. I really don't like the idea of being able to change SN as imo the only people that benefit to any significant extent are TAGfish.

phantom_lord

nearly everyone is a tagfish.

Goodluck2me

AdMMM wrote: »

I disagree with you there Joe.

I accept that what Mr.Casino has done is probably pretty minor in comparison to what is going down in the MTT scene, but at the same time it doesn't make it okay because he's still participating in a process that makes him anonymous to all the other players, making all previous notes irrelavent.

You are really complaining that any notes you took on him are irrelevant. That's hardly a crime which needs to be prevented!

I actually wouldn't mind a losing player create 100s of screenames, but I think a winning player creating a new screename to deceive others is just petty and he deserves to have his funds confiscated.

you can't have your cake and eat it, how is it petty if your a winning player and ok if your a losing one? seems very contradictory to me.

WECpoker

AdMMM wrote: »

I disagree with you there Joe.

I accept that what Mr.Casino has done is probably pretty minor in comparison to what is going down in the MTT scene, but at the same time it doesn't make it okay because he's still participating in a process that makes him anonymous to all the other players, making all previous notes irrelavent.

What is actually the most interesting aspect is that noone would have noticed had he not accidently outed himself in such hillarious circumstances which makes me think that such actions are "standard". I actually wouldn't mind a losing player create 100s of screenames, but I think a winning player creating a new screename to deceive others is just petty and he deserves to have his funds confiscated.

Just a note: The reason he was on another account....Was because his primary account had been BANNED for a certain period

Does that change anyones minds that thinks it is a minor thing

WECpoker

..and I agree that Stars is probably the best security for stopping these types of things. I have worked with Admins on different sites trying to stop scammers. The problem seems to be even Stars wont put the BAN down on several of these serial big time thieves (who steal from many people using transfers)