Law books

Cadet?

Hey all,

If you could buy one standard book* for each of the following subjects (irrespective of price) what would they be?;

Company
Criminal
Constitutional
Contract
Property

They'd be used for FE1 prep.


*i.e Not Nuthsell/Nutcase/FE1 Prep Manual etc.

Tom Young

Company - Keane, Forde, there is another which escapes me.
Criminal - Charleton McDermott and Bolger (bit dated - TJ McIntyre and Sinead McMullan's ELT is good)
Constitutional - Eoin Carolan's New Book, Kelly on the Constitution.
Contract - McDermott, Chitty (UK) or Trietel.
Property - De Londras or Coughlan for clarity.

Cadet?

Thanks for that Tom Young.

I have McMahon and Binchy Torts 3rd edition if anyone would like to swap any of the above for it.

BarryDoodles

Depending on your experience,
Oran doyle for constitutional (intermediate) or J.M kelly (advanced)
Enright or Mac Dermott for contract

hullaballoo

Company - Courtney would be my favourite, though a little out of date.
Criminal - As per Tom Young.
Constitutional - I used Casey and found it useful. Kelly is a little more advanced.
Contract - Definitely McDermott, but it's useful to look at Clark and Clarke.
Property - As per Tom Young.

Tom Young

Courtney! Ah yes, that was it.

Reason I suggest Carolan's latest is as he sets the Constitutional FE1 paper and it tends to be more topical and up to date than Kelly. Though rumour has it that another edition is due.

Tom

Sangre

Found TJ McIntyres very good for criminal about 2 years ago.

Personally I'd staff away from the larger texts if FE1 studiny, unless you're just checking off something or trying to understand it. There is just a huge mass of information you don't need you'll have to wade through. Not to mention the excessive cost. Sure, use them from a library but I really wouldn't recommend forking out about 500e for them.

ireland1italy0

Tom Young wrote: »

Courtney! Ah yes, that was it.

Reason I suggest Carolan's latest is as he sets the Constitutional FE1 paper and it tends to be more topical and up to date than Kelly. Though rumour has it that another edition is due.

Tom

Tis on Privacy no? Tends to be more topical? What book is this? What have I missed!!!!! Or do you mean the one edited with Odoyle...that's just a collection of essays...

FYI on contract...if money is an issue, there are millions of english contracts texts and really, the law doesn't change that much...you can pick some up (Jill Poole's etc) for very, very little.

Cadet?

Thanks for all the replies.

I know that for FE1 study the manuals/Nutcases are the best...thing is I've already got them!

I'm lucky enough to have the opportunity to buy some books and get reimbursed for them, so money isn't an issue- I just would like to get some of the standard texts to give me that little bit extra.

Tom Young

ireland1italy0 wrote: »

Tis on Privacy no? Tends to be more topical? What book is this? What have I missed!!!!! Or do you mean the one edited with Odoyle...that's just a collection of essays...

FYI on contract...if money is an issue, there are millions of english contracts texts and really, the law doesn't change that much...you can pick some up (Jill Poole's etc) for very, very little.

I thought it was both Eoin and Oran. I made the point about the collection of papers in another thread.

Tom

Cadet?

OK, so I got Enright for Contract, de Londras for Property and Doyle for Constitutional.

If ye had to pick between Keane, Forde and Courtney for Company what would ye go for?

Likewise for Criminal- Charleton, McDermott and Bolger or that ELT one?

Thanks.

walrusgumble

i got forde's company book (student version) i thinks its very very good, i could be wrong but its very much up to date (june 2007). very readable, though considering keane's equity and trust book, keane also explains the law in clear and simple fashion for students. both books are good but i would, i i was buying, get the most up to date one as it incorporates the important legislative changes in 2006

Parky1

Does anyone have the third edition of this book (2000) to buy or recommend where I can get it?
Thanks

yekrab

REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT READ THIS, HOLY GRAIL INFORMATION.

this is some seminal impartial advice for the prospetive law students as to which law books are the best to get, (and also to the law students who havent gotten the book or are unsatified with it.)


1) constitutional law- get the kelly book, best in ireland. i have the casey one... and the truth is in my humble and respectful opinion that casey's one is nowhere near as good, as leaves out some important information.

2) tort law- some good treatises on this subject, the best ones are by a) McMahon and Binchy, and b) Eoin Quill. never get any other book, seriously, even if the professor tells u to get so and so, u have to get quill or mcmahon and binchy. (i have both) maybe quill's slightly as the upper hand on M & B because some important recent cases are in it, (Glencar plc v Dickman etc) (its newer than M & B ,9 YEARS since the last edition)

3) criminal law- without a shadow of a doubt, the best for the beginner undergraduate student is conor hanley's law book (40euro). he teaches in NUIG. i have this book and mcauley&mccutheon's book. the latter is very good, but overwhelmin for a beginner, some really important cases are omitted bcos of outdatedness, like R v G which practically rendered a full chapiter on strict liability non-applicable anymore in their book. (but great book, for someone who wants to get a deeper understandin of criminal law, beyond the requirement for the entrance exams).


if anybody wants to know more about this topic of which other books are the best to get, then i look forward to any enquiries.

also id really like to hear other people's opinions on the topic.

NoQuarter

Ross Gorman is the man, his evidence book is great.

Tom Young

Is that not a Nutshell?

The best Evidence one is Declan McGrath's.

stopthelights

Can anyone recommend a good criminal law book for a 2nd year college student?

yekrab

yea i just did, look at the first post, and i talk about the best criminal law book.

in a nutshell its definitely conor hanlys.

Sangre

i personally think people are mad to buy law books. thats what libraries are for. did it in 1st year, never again. i always found lecture notes and journals more useful anyway.

yekrab

lecture notes only get u so far sangre. books are for people who take the difficult entrance exams seriously.

Sangre

could you be any more smug?

Stirling

Yekrab could you please provide us with some information as to how you have acquired such prowess and ability in the sphere of all things legal?

Never usually get annoyed by anything on boards but you are really starting to p**s me off just a little. If you are going to sprinkle random observations about books, degrees and law schools around this forum, random observations that are almost all wrong I might add, you might let us know what your credentials are as a "law student"?

Given that you are so fond of describing yourself thus I am sure that you must have at least several published papers to your credits if not a book or two and perhaps one or two funded research projects on the go?

Or perhaps you might be more accurately described as a spoofer who likes dropping random bits of latin, expressing opinions which are wrong and poorly spelled while professing your opinions to be "Holy Grail" information without which none of us lesser legal mortals will possibly survive without?

Read through the forums and realise that your fellow posters include qualified solicitors and barristers - people who know a lot more than you but don't need to shout about it.

For my part I have a pretty damn good degree, an LLM, have finished those "incredibly difficult" entrance exams and have an apprenticeship with a Top 5 firm. I have done everything that a lot of people set out to do and I use this forum as a place to learn so you might enlighten us as to your own credentials and basis for your exceptional knowledge?

Eyespy

stopthelights wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a good criminal law book for a 2nd year college student?

Conor Hanly's book is the most recent and is very good but this late in the year the most concise is probably McMullen & McIntyre - Criminal Law Essential Law Text. Its a pretty decent book for its size but its really a supplement for the textbooks. I found Criminal Law by Charleton, McDermott and Bolger to be the best though, it's excellent. It's badly out of date though (2000) but they are bringing a new one out in April. Any of these 3 should suit though. Hope it helps.

yekrab

sangre- if u thought that was smug, u should have read my other posted comments, quite the delight. no offence intended, oversight was true all the same though. if ure happy with passin and not gettin all As, good for u.

stirling stirling stirling, where do i start.
1) gratuitously attackin the spelling on this forum is unequivocally ridiculous, its not an essay, doesnt need to be 100 percent correct.

2) i acquired such opinions (and they are only opinions) through experience, by reading the different books, i usually have two versions of each law book, so by making a comparision i can tell which is better..obviously.

3) fair play gettin the LLM, nothin wrong with that, the difficult exams i was referin to were the kings inn's exams, which u didnt do, (i wont believe u even if u say u did), most likely u did the blackhall ones, if even that. a lot easier than the former i hasten to add (once again only an opinion). honestly i hope u enjoy ur time at one of the top five law firms in ferbane, im sure ull 'instruct counsel' very well so he can do the actual work in court.

yekrab

parky, i have my own thread on the issue, and its a lot more informed impartial and accurate advice on law books to get. go to 'yekrab law books'. the first post deals with it comprehensively.

nutshell-never even contemplate gettin casey's book, kellys is the way to go.

r14

yekrab wrote: »

most likely u did the blackhall ones, if even that. a lot easier than the former i hasten to add (once again only an opinion). honestly i hope u enjoy ur time at one of the top five law firms in ferbane, im sure ull 'instruct counsel' very well so he can do the actual work in court.

Yekrab - since you own two of every law book (waste of money imo) which qualifies you to comment on the best books around, can I ask what qualifies you to compare the King's Inns entrance exams with the FE1s?

Presumably a person as rigorous as you would never make such a claim without having passed both sets of exams.

The simple fact that there are more people sitting the FE1s means more competition, hence they are harder to pass. Simple case of supply and demand

Stirling

It wasn't about this particular thread I was talking about - I've had a look at some of your other contributions. My problem is that you haven't made clear what you have done/are doing. You seem to have an obsession with the Inns but actually know very little about it as your sources are either pulled from a prospectus or are "some guy I know said...".

Given your limited knowledge of the Inns and lack of respect for Blackhall I can only conclude that you have done neither set of exams and your lack of knowledge in general would suggest that you are still an undergrduate in UL and one who has a hell of a lot to learn at that, so come back to me with some fresh opinions when:

1) You actually have a degree
2) You have sat the Inns exams and tell me then how you find them and then sit the FE1s and tell me how you find them.
3) Look at the forums and you'll see that the general consensus is that Blackhall is the more difficult qualification route - thats in no way to detract from the problems newly qualified Barristers face which I am very aware of
4) When you've got an apprenticeship where there can be up to a 1000 applicants for 10-20 positions, again look at the thread "How many PFOs have you got from solicitors firms"

In short come back when you actually know SOMETHING as opposed to imagining and deluding yourself that you know EVERYTHING

Tom Young

yekrab, and can I ask a small favour - will you type properly? [I know this request might annoy some folks, not meant to annoy, I'm just not used to text type]

Tom Young

I've now merged the Law Books and law books thread for efficiency.

Just in case anyone would like ONE thread with the data in it.

Tom

yekrab

r14- ive seen the past papers for both kings inn and blackhall, trust me inns are substantially harder (but only in my opinion) u dont need to experience a punch in the face to know thats its not that agreeable, or perhaps u do?

Stirling- id rather u didnt engage in argumentum ad hominem,
its just petty, and reflects yr true character:petty.
what exactly did i portray incorrectly about the inns, stick to that rather than rantin on about what qualifications i have in a vitriolic manner.

yekrab

will do tom, will do.

yekrab

REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT READ THIS, HOLY GRAIL INFORMATION.

this is some seminal impartial advice for the prospetive law students as to which law books are the best to get, (and also to the law students who havent gotten the book or are unsatified with it.)


1) constitutional law- get the kelly book, best in ireland. i have the casey one... and the truth is in my humble and respectful opinion that casey's one is nowhere near as good, as leaves out some important information.

2) tort law- some good treatises on this subject, the best ones are by a) McMahon and Binchy, and b) Eoin Quill. never get any other book, seriously, even if the professor tells u to get so and so, u have to get quill or mcmahon and binchy. (i have both) maybe quill's slightly as the upper hand on M & B because some important recent cases are in it, (Glencar plc v Dickman etc) (its newer than M & B ,9 YEARS since the last edition)

3) criminal law- without a shadow of a doubt, the best for the beginner undergraduate student is conor hanley's law book (40euro). he teaches in NUIG. i have this book and mcauley&mccutheon's book. the latter is very good, but overwhelmin for a beginner, some really important cases are omitted bcos of outdatedness, like R v G which practically rendered a full chapiter on strict liability non-applicable anymore in their book. (but great book, for someone who wants to get a deeper understandin of criminal law, beyond the requirement for the entrance exams).


if anybody wants to know more about this topic of which other books are the best to get, then i look forward to any enquiries.

also id really like to hear other people's opinions on the topic.

Sangre

yekrab wrote: »

sangre- if u thought that was smug, u should have read my other posted comments, quite the delight. no offence intended, oversight was true all the same though. if ure happy with passin and not gettin all As, good for u.

Assuming you aren't a wind up merchant...If you're doing an essay on any legal topic, journals and articles are an absolute must. Not only will they contain the most up-to-date opinion, law, cases and insight but they'll often be written by experts in their field who otherwise wouldn't publish a whole text. Not to mention the fact most texts are UK focused. Text books have their place but they certainly shouldn't be the basis for any exam where you are cramming in as much information as possible without any meaningful analysis i.e. kings inn/blackhall. Anyway, like I already said it is in my opinion an absolute waste to buy any legal text other than a nutshell. Use a library, its free for a reason.

The suggestion that the kings inn exams are hard, let alone harder than the FE1s, is laughable.

P.s. when I was in college we didn't have As so I had no intention of trying to get one.

Johnny Utah

yekrab wrote: »

r14- ive seen the past papers for both kings inn and blackhall, trust me inns are substantially harder (but only in my opinion) u dont need to experience a punch in the face to know thats its not that agreeable, or perhaps u do?

Stirling- id rather u didnt engage in argumentum ad hominem,
its just petty, and reflects yr true character:petty.
what exactly did i portray incorrectly about the inns, stick to that rather than rantin on about what qualifications i have in a vitriolic manner.

Now, I have some really really important holy grail information for you:
The King's Inns entrance exams are not harder than the Fe1s. And, I've seen the past papers for both exams too! Trust me :P

Sangre wrote: »

The suggestion that the kings inn exams are hard, let alone harder than the FE1s, is laughable.

+1, this guy is definitely a wind-up merchant, or else seriously deluded.

McCrack

yekrab wrote: »

r14- ive seen the past papers for both kings inn and blackhall, trust me inns are substantially harder (but only in my opinion) u dont need to experience a punch in the face to know thats its not that agreeable, or perhaps u do?

Stirling- id rather u didnt engage in argumentum ad hominem,
its just petty, and reflects yr true character:petty.
what exactly did i portray incorrectly about the inns, stick to that rather than rantin on about what qualifications i have in a vitriolic manner.

hahaha O dear God. You either are a wind-up or a very naive individual with a bit of growing up to do. I hope it's the former for your sake.

If it's the latter...cop yourself on.

yekrab

its only my opinion, no intent to provoke or wind up as you all commonly seem to have an affinity for.

still though, u FE1 guys are biased in my opinion, have to look outside the box: kings inn, harder no question.

Sangre

I have never met anyone, Kings Inn, Blackhall or college student who has held that opinion. Anyone I know who passed spent about 2/3 weeks studying for them.

Kings Inn entrance exams are easy. No question or opinion to it.

yekrab

god ure stupid

partyguinness

Cadet? wrote: »

Hey all,

If you could buy one standard book* for each of the following subjects (irrespective of price) what would they be?;

Company- Courtney
Criminal- McAuley et al
Constitutional- James Casey
Contract- Robert Clarke
Property- Coughlan

They'd be used for FE1 prep.


*i.e Not Nuthsell/Nutcase/FE1 Prep Manual etc.

Company- Courtney
Criminal- McAuley et al
Constitutional- James Casey
Contract- Robert Clarke
Property- Coughlan

I studied the FE1s in 2001 and I used those books. Passed them all in one sitting. Not too sure about new additons to the field since then.

partyguinness

As regards which is harder FE1s or Inns I have no idea. I only sat the FE1s.

But I do have a friend of mine who sat the FE1s a few times and kept failing. She then tried her hand at the Inns exams and passed with flying colours.

Not passing judgement either way but that is just my 2 cents.

yekrab

EALLY REALLY IMPORTANT READ THIS, HOLY GRAIL INFORMATION.

this is some seminal impartial advice for the prospetive law students as to which law books are the best to get, (and also to the law students who havent gotten the book or are unsatified with it.)


1) constitutional law- get the kelly book, best in ireland. i have the casey one... and the truth is in my humble and respectful opinion that casey's one is nowhere near as good, as leaves out some important information.

2) tort law- some good treatises on this subject, the best ones are by a) McMahon and Binchy, and b) Eoin Quill. never get any other book, seriously, even if the professor tells u to get so and so, u have to get quill or mcmahon and binchy. (i have both) maybe quill's slightly as the upper hand on M & B because some important recent cases are in it, (Glencar plc v Dickman etc) (its newer than M & B ,9 YEARS since the last edition)

3) criminal law- without a shadow of a doubt, the best for the beginner undergraduate student is conor hanley's law book (40euro). he teaches in NUIG. i have this book and mcauley&mccutheon's book. the latter is very good, but overwhelmin for a beginner, some really important cases are omitted bcos of outdatedness, like R v G which practically rendered a full chapiter on strict liability non-applicable anymore in their book. (but great book, for someone who wants to get a deeper understandin of criminal law, beyond the requirement for the entrance exams).


if anybody wants to know more about this topic of which other books are the best to get, then i look forward to any enquiries.

also id really like to hear other people's opinions on the topic.

shteve

Hi, I'm just after starting 1st year law in university and I'm wondering what books i should buy? My subjects are - criminal, contract, tort and constitutional.
Cheers

maidhc

Sangre wrote: »

i personally think people are mad to buy law books. thats what libraries are for. did it in 1st year, never again. i always found lecture notes and journals more useful anyway.

I bought a lot of books throughout college.

I'm now practicing and still look at the likes of Courtney, MM&B and the Property law books reasonably often.

For the record I think Quill on Tort is a rubbish book and I hate the layout.

All that said I wouldn't recommend any 1st year to go out buying books. Get a feel first for the books you like and the book that is never in the library. Buy that one.

Jev/N

maidhc wrote: »

All that said I wouldn't recommend any 1st year to go out buying books. Get a feel first for the books you like and the book that is never in the library. Buy that one.

x2 on this

Sangre

maidhc wrote: »

I bought a lot of books throughout college.

I'm now practicing and still look at the likes of Courtney, MM&B and the Property law books reasonably often.

For the record I think Quill on Tort is a rubbish book and I hate the layout.

All that said I wouldn't recommend any 1st year to go out buying books. Get a feel first for the books you like and the book that is never in the library. Buy that one.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the books, I just think they are a huge expense for a college student, especially if your college has a well stocked library. Absolutely vital for any practitioner though.

Aqua A

Hello,

If anyone has the Oran Doyle, Constitutional Law book for sale please contact me.

Many thanks.