Why didn't Obi-Wan recognise C3PO & R2-D2??

evil-monkey

Was just thinking, why didn't Obi-Wan recognise C3PO and R2-D2 when he came across Luke with them on Tatooine??

I mean, sure there are plenty of protocol droids and R2 units in the Galaxy, but was it not a bit of coincidence that the kid he's watching shows up with two droids identical to that of his Daddy's??

Of course, the answer probably is that he may well have known who they were and lied...when he says "I don't recall ever owning a droid", he may well have been thinking "wtf? either this is a major coincidence or the sh*t is about to hit the fan..."

humanji

The two answers I can give are:

1) Obi-Wan didn't have a whole lot of interaction with the droids, so after the many years between the series, he would of had met loads of droids and simply didn't remember. He may have remembered later on, but it wouldn't of been important.

or

2) George Lucas died after making Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade and never made any Star Wars prequel films and definitely didn't make a fourth Indiana Jones movie.

I'm going to go with option 2.

VinLieger

Its probably because George Lucas couldnt plan a plot to save his life. Pretty much every aspect of StarWars Lore has been ret-conned now thanks to him and his whoring off of the license.

evil-monkey

VinLieger wrote: »

Its probably because George Lucas couldnt plan a plot to save his life. Pretty much every aspect of StarWars Lore has been ret-conned now thanks to him and his whoring off of the license.

ah i don't think it's that bad. there's been a few hiccups but to be fair with the amount that's been done everything has pretty much been tied together.

AnCapaillMor

Because he's a racist and all droids look the same to him.

He was trying to cover up that Darth was lukes daddy and letting on he knew these 2 random droids could lead to the story somehow getting out. R2 was there for ani's turning.

evil-monkey

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

He was trying to cover up that Darth was lukes daddy and letting on he knew these 2 random droids could lead to the story somehow getting out. R2 was there for ani's turning.

ya that's probably it alright. i suppose he just wasn't ready for the whole truth. might have been a bit of a shock too...

Luke: "Hi old Ben"

Ben: "Hi there. See that droid there, he was there when your father turned to the Dark Side, pretty much ended your mothers life, and assumed his position as the right hand man to the Galaxy's most feared dictator and butcher of millions of sentients. Nice weather we're having isn't it. Think it will rain?"

Luke: ":eek:"

I think the main reason was because episode 4 was made back in 1977 and episode one was made 20 years later.

dade

evil-monkey wrote: »

ah i don't think it's that bad. there's been a few hiccups but to be fair with the amount that's been done everything has pretty much been tied together.

apart from the no apprentice mentioned for anikan in E3 and then the clone wars movie and TV show are about him and his apprentice.

evil-monkey

dade wrote: »

apart from the no apprentice mentioned for anikan in E3 and then the clone wars movie and TV show are about him and his apprentice.

ya wouldn't know what will happen to her yet...

dade

evil-monkey wrote: »

ya wouldn't know what will happen to her yet...

true. but i meant the fact that a lot of original notions or story was changed with the new trilogy and now the animated series. Anikans apprentice is a good example, no mention of her ever in any movie and the she suddenly appears and is a major character as far as the story goes, yes a lot can happen to her character, Anikan may even be the cause of her death or even turning to the dark side, but for what appears to be a major character and a major plot line to appear is a bit annoying.

also a lot of what was taken from the novels has also been changed even though the novel story line would have been approved. a prime example is Boba Fett. originally he was called Jaster Mareel (in a comic book i think) or something like that was he not? now he's a clone of Jango and i believe Jaster Mareel is also one of the clones according to the novels

evil-monkey

dade wrote: »

true. but i meant the fact that a lot of original notions or story was changed with the new trilogy and now the animated series. Anikans apprentice is a good example, no mention of her ever in any movie and the she suddenly appears and is a major character as far as the story goes, yes a lot can happen to her character, Anikan may even be the cause of her death or even turning to the dark side, but for what appears to be a major character and a major plot line to appear is a bit annoying.

also a lot of what was taken from the novels has also been changed even though the novel story line would have been approved. a prime example is Boba Fett. originally he was called Jaster Mareel (in a comic book i think) or something like that was he not? now he's a clone of Jango and i believe Jaster Mareel is also one of the clones according to the novels

ya the Jaster Mereel one was a big boo boo. As was the Labyrinth of Evil one. but all in all i think they've done a good job keeping it tied together. there is a LOT there like to be fair.

dade

evil-monkey wrote: »

ya the Jaster Mereel one was a big boo boo. As was the Labyrinth of Evil one. but all in all i think they've done a good job keeping it tied together. there is a LOT there like to be fair.

agreed, but i recok they have tied up the mess with Mareel, one of teh clones from teh republic commando series was called mareel. i bet that's how it comes about. can't even remember labyrint of evil can you enlighten me

evil-monkey

dade wrote: »

agreed, but i recok they have tied up the mess with Mareel, one of teh clones from teh republic commando series was called mareel. i bet that's how it comes about. can't even remember labyrint of evil can you enlighten me

he was called Mereel, i never even thought of that. good point. Labyrinth of Evil, I made a post about that somewhere me thinks. basically, the ending of Labyrinth of Evil

plays out the scene before the beginning of Revenge of the Sith where Palpatine is kidnapped by Grevious. The same sequence of events is shown in the last episode of the Clone Wars animated series. How the book says he was kidnapped, and how the cartoon shows it, are different...not hugely, monstrously different - but very different nonetheless...

irishthump

evil-monkey wrote: »

Was just thinking, why didn't Obi-Wan recognise C3PO and R2-D2 when he came across Luke with them on Tatooine??

Eh, who says he did'nt?:)

Nervous Wreck

He never owned the droids. Basically, he was being a pedantic c*nt arguing simple semantics. :P

Pigman II

It's like going into a pub in Eastern europe and seeing a dusty old TV up on the wall showing some soccer match between Steaua Bucharest and CFR Cluj and suddenly being struck with the thought "hey wait a minute! Not only is that tv same model set I used to have in my living room 20 years ago it's the EXACT SAME SET. I remember watching the fall of the Berlin wall on it in November 1989! How did it get out here?"

Droids are nothing. We see them as characters with personalities but the living people in SW universe only see them as just machines for doing jobs. ObiWan had no emotional investment in either of them. He'd have been a bit weird to HAVE remembered them IMHO.

Think the answer depends on how big a Star Wars fan you are.

If you are:
a.) a big Star Wars fan: then he never really owned them, and besides which, as mentioned previously, droids are just objects, tools to do jobs. Look at Han Solo's attitude towards C3P0.

b.) You're a "fair weather" fan: George Lucas (as mentioned previously), can't do plots. 3P0 and R2 didn't even need to be in the prequels, but for the sake of marketing (or something), there they are... :mad:

evil-monkey

Pigman II wrote: »

Droids are nothing. We see them as characters with personalities but the living people in SW universe only see them as just machines for doing jobs. ObiWan had no emotional investment in either of them. He'd have been a bit weird to HAVE remembered them IMHO.

Hmmm...good point. But R2 was pretty much Anakin's best friend. Anakin was pretty much Obi-Wan's best friend. Surely he'd have made some connection. Which, as another poster has pointed out, he did. He just chose to keep stump for the time being.

Pigman II

evil-monkey wrote: »

Hmmm...good point. But R2 was pretty much Anakin's best friend. Anakin was pretty much Obi-Wan's best friend. Surely he'd have made some connection. Which, as another poster has pointed out, he did. He just chose to keep stump for the time being.

Again if you saw a Super Nintendo being sold at a flea market would you be able to make the connection that it was the one your best friend used to have 15 years ago? Plus the fact that R2 was Anakins "pet" (or friend or whatever) and not ObiWans leads further logic to the notion that Obi wouldn't remember it.

evil-monkey

Pigman II wrote: »

Again if you saw a Super Nintendo being sold at a flea market would you be able to make the connection that it was the one your best friend used to have 15 years ago?

If it turned up with my friend's son, who also had my friends Sega Mega Drive in tow, then ya...probably...

Rawr

dade wrote: »

true. but i meant the fact that a lot of original notions or story was changed with the new trilogy and now the animated series. Anikans apprentice is a good example, no mention of her ever in any movie and the she suddenly appears and is a major character as far as the story goes, yes a lot can happen to her character, Anikan may even be the cause of her death or even turning to the dark side, but for what appears to be a major character and a major plot line to appear is a bit annoying.

A deep dark feeling inside, tells me that a 'Special Edition' of Episode III may be on the cards to fix all that. Live-action Asoka anyone? :eek:

Spon Farmer

Everything can be explained. Remember what Obi-Wan told Luke in ROTJ the truth "depending on a certain point of view"?
This is really just agreeing with things already said.
Obi-Wan did not own any droids. No Jedi did. All they had was shared.
Artoo did not belong to Anakin or the Order. He belonged to the people of Naboo. He just never went back after the Clone War began and hung out with Anakin instead.
Also, according to Star Wars lore, Luke's attitude (and his father's) to Threepio and Artoo were highly unusual. He viewed them as more than machines or property. They were is companions, his friends. The droids themselves were also unique because they were operating without a memory wipe (possibly never had one) for many years. (Did Organa order a memory wipe of them at the end of ROTS? I can't recall)
How much real inaction with the two did Kenobi have with the duo in the prequels? His attitude that they are just tools is clear in the CLONE WAR series when Artoo goes MIA.
So maybe he doesn't remember them.
However, he does have a reaction to their presence when he rescues Luke.
But it could be put down to a sense that "the time has has come" rather than remembering a "computer" his friend owned twenty years ago. There are probably thousand of R2 units throughout the galaxy.

On a connected point, you could ask did Vader recognise Threepio on Cloud City? Is that why he stopped Fett from taking a shot at Chewie?
Unlikely. Was Threepio mention by name in any scene with Vader present? No, he wasn't. Yes Anakin built him, but he looks just like hundreds of other protocol droids.

Evilsbane

Attack of the Clones, The Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith explain it. Obi-Wan considers droids to be expendable.

If droids could think, there'd be none of us here:rolleyes:

is an example of exactly how highly he esteems droids. Besides, Luke never says Artoo's full designation. All Obi-Wan sees is a blue R2 unit. He has no way of knowing which R2 unit it is. Even during The Clone Wars, when R2 goes missing and Anakin and Ahsoka go looking for him, Anakin hears a beep and a whir and says: 'That's Artoo's voice!:eek:'. Ahsoka responds with 'How can you tell?!'. Apparently, it's a Skywalker-only thing: most people can't tell between one R2 and another.

Though when Ben sees Leia on the hologram, I'm pretty sure he puts two and two together. When he last saw Threepio and Artoo, they were being given to Bail Organa.

evil-monkey

Evilsbane wrote: »

All Obi-Wan sees is a blue R2 unit. He has no way of knowing which R2 unit it is.

Yes, but as I said, the fact that an R2 unit, a golden protocol droid, and the son of Anakin Skywalker, who was best friends with such a pair of droids some 17 years or so earlier, show up as a happy little band is an AWFUL coincidence...

Evilsbane

Well, he might SUSPECT it, but remember that this is a man who, a few minutes later, managed to sit with Luke watching a hologram of Luke's sister plead for help without saying a word. So he's hardly going to pipe up about two droids who might be the same as the two droids he never really paid any attention to anyway.

Spon Farmer

it should be remembered that Kenobi and Yoda were manipulating Luke, albeit to protect him, until he was trained, so Obi-Wan was hardly likely to to go blabbing about how his father also owned the two droids years ago and get the kid's curiousity all hyper

irishthump

To be honest, this is a pretty pointless thread!

Some of yopu are going on about "reactions" from Obi-Wan when he recognizes Artoo. It's a fact that Lucas did'nt have clue what way the story would pan out when he made ANH, (hell, at the time he did'nt know if he would ever get to finish the story!) so any "reactions" from Alec Guinness are pure coincidence.

I really think this level of analysis does nothing to help people's enjoyment of the saga overall. The movies were made 20 years apart for chrissakes, and the story was constantly evolving, so there are bound to be a few plot holes and inconsistencies.

Chewing over every last detail like this will give you guys an ulcer, chill out!:D

Spon Farmer

speaking for myself, I enjoy this type of discussion no matter how "pointless".
and it does add too my enjoyment of Star Wars.
if the topic didn't interest you, why were you reading it?
but, irishthump, head over to the star trek section - they discuss such matters and have tempers to match :eek:

dimejinky99

Spon Farmer wrote: »

it should be remembered that Kenobi and Yoda were manipulating Luke, albeit to protect him, until he was trained, so Obi-Wan was hardly likely to to go blabbing about how his father also owned the two droids years ago and get the kid's curiousity all hyper

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