I do care about the environment...

spadder

but I F^*king hate the greens.
I want to make a stand against these pious bastards, I drive a small engine car, I go to the recycle centre every sat ( and pay €2 to hand over valuable resources to a private company who make huge profits) .I have changed light bulbs to the low energy type when the old ones blow. I do my part where I can, not because Gormley tells me to, because I care. I would take the train, if there was one where I live.

I want people to make a distinction between Green party politics and day to day efforts of ordinary people to save the planet.

I hate the Greens and I do care about the planet.


These muppets are giving environmental awareness a bad name with their stupid carbon numbers websites, daft unworkable ideas and shameful political U turns.

Rant over.
Have a good weekend folks.

el_tiddlero

right on...

SoWatchaWant

Can't blame him for being pious, some people (not you obviously) are reluctant to listen. I like Gormley

jaycen

Same as, so fed up with the whole green thing, always something new to whinge about and tax us on. I try to do my bit (recycle, bulbs, insulation etc) too but I hate the fact that the green party will try to take credit for my good intentions.

Can't wait for the next election so we can throw them on the compost heap.

el_tiddlero

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

I like Gormley

he's the biggest fool i've ever come accross in Irish public service - jesus, i'd rather Jackie Healy-Ray with his finger on the button than that buffoon..

Pride Fighter

el_tiddlero wrote: »

he's the biggest fool i've ever come accross in Irish public service - jesus, i'd rather Jackie Healy-Ray with his finger on the button than that buffoon..

Thats just ridiculous. At least Gormley can speak the English language.

DamoKen

he's a bit of a hypocrite, I know one of his neighbours who he paid 4K to cut down a beautiful old Willow in his back garden as some of Gormleys garden was in it's shade. Very green :rolleyes:

Mark200

I agree completely


Keep up the good work!

el_tiddlero

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Thats just ridiculous. At least Gormley can speak the English language.

you don't need to speak any language to push a big red button..

spadder

DamoKen wrote: »

he's a bit of a hypocrite, I know one of his neighbours who he paid 4K to cut down a beautiful old Willow in his back garden as some of Gormleys garden was in it's shade. Very green :rolleyes:

True, I know of a county where this government has endorsed the burning of rubbish!

Prof.Badass

Naively, i was expecting a huge increase in renewable energy, and not some silly taxes and bans.

where are all the wind turbines?

AnonoBoy

el_tiddlero wrote: »

he's the biggest fool i've ever come accross in Irish public service

What about Joe Higgins?

i'd rather Jackie Healy-Ray with his finger on the button than that buffoon..

We have a button now? :eek:

AnonoBoy

vinylmesh wrote: »

Naively, i was expecting a huge increase in renewable energy, and not some silly taxes and bans.

where are all the wind turbines?

They've been secretly building them underwater as far as I know.

spadder

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What about Joe Higgins?

Joe Higgins is fantastic, Do you not remember his letter for Bertie?

Macha

vinylmesh wrote: »

Naively, i was expecting a huge increase in renewable energy, and not some silly taxes and bans.

where are all the wind turbines?

Right so...within 18 months you want the entire energy industry of Ireland to switch from large-scale fossil-fuel dependency, completely update the transmission grid to suit wind energy and build enough wind turbines so that you happen to see some out your window?..except building regulations determine that they should be kept as far out of visual sight of residential areas as possible?...

FYI, the wind turbines are here:
Altagowlan
Anarget
Anarget
Arklow Bank
Ballinlough
Ballinveny
Ballywater
Beale
Beale
Beam Hill
Beenageeha
Bellacorick
Black Banks
Boultiagh
Burren
Burtonpor
Caranne Hill
Cark
Carnsor
Carrig
Coomagearlahy
Coomatalli
Corneen
Corrie Mountain
Crockahenny
Cronalaght
Cronelea
Cronelea Upper
Cuillalea West
Culliagh
Curabwee
Curraghgraigue
Derrybrien
Drumlough Hill
Dundalk IT
Dunmore
Gartnaneane
Gartnanean
Geevagh
Glanlee
Gneeves
Golagh
Greenoge
Inis Mean
Inverin
Kealki
Kilronan
Kilvinan
Kingsmountain
Lackan
Lahanaght Hill
Largan Hill
Meenadreen
Meenanilta
Meentycat
Mienvee
Milane Hill
Moanmore
Moneenatieve
Mount Eagle
Raheen Barr
Ratrussan
Richfield
Skehanagh
Sonnagh Old
Sorne Hill
Spion Kop
Taurbeg
Tournafulla
Tursillagh
Tursillagh

Prof.Badass

taconnol wrote: »

Right so...within 18 months you want the entire energy industry of Ireland to switch from large-scale fossil-fuel dependency, completely update the transmission grid to suit wind energy and build enough wind turbines so that you happen to see some out your window?..except building regulations determine that they should be kept as far out of visual sight of residential areas as possible?...

no, i expected a start. I have not seen any media reports about an increase in renewable energy, and i have not seen any government plans to increase renewable energy.Maybe they exist, but seeing as i haven't seen any, they're not doing a very good job of promoting themselves.And seeing as you hear about all sorts of stuff in the media about rising emmisions ect, you'd think you'd have heard something about an increase in renewable energy.

For all i know, most of those wind turbines could be private/community based/ built already/ gonna be built anyway.

I'm sure they are doing something, but I get the impression it's nowhere near what they should be doing (after all, they are the green party).

spadder

taconnol wrote: »

Right so...within 18 months you want the entire energy industry of Ireland to switch from large-scale fossil-fuel dependency, completely update the transmission grid to suit wind energy and build enough wind turbines so that you happen to see some out your window?..except building regulations determine that they should be kept as far out of visual sight of residential areas as possible?...

FYI, the wind turbines are here:
Altagowlan
Anarget
Anarget
Arklow Bank
Ballinlough
Ballinveny
Ballywater
Beale
Beale
Beam Hill
Beenageeha
Bellacorick
Black Banks
Boultiagh
Burren
Burtonpor
Caranne Hill
Cark
Carnsor
Carrig
Coomagearlahy
Coomatalli
Corneen
Corrie Mountain
Crockahenny
Cronalaght
Cronelea
Cronelea Upper
Cuillalea West
Culliagh
Curabwee
Curraghgraigue
Derrybrien
Drumlough Hill
Dundalk IT
Dunmore
Gartnaneane
Gartnanean
Geevagh
Glanlee
Gneeves
Golagh
Greenoge
Inis Mean
Inverin
Kealki
Kilronan
Kilvinan
Kingsmountain
Lackan
Lahanaght Hill
Largan Hill
Meenadreen
Meenanilta
Meentycat
Mienvee
Milane Hill
Moanmore
Moneenatieve
Mount Eagle
Raheen Barr
Ratrussan
Richfield
Skehanagh
Sonnagh Old
Sorne Hill
Spion Kop
Taurbeg
Tournafulla
Tursillagh
Tursillagh

Who owns these sites? What is their relationship with FF?

AnonoBoy

spadder wrote: »

Joe Higgins is fantastic

Wow. :eek:

Heroditas

One private electric supplier has over 550MW of wind power.
Another has 284MW with 356MW in development.
Bord na Mona are investing €2bn over the next few years building wind farms.
The country needs approximately 15GW of wind power to power the country fully and even then there is a need for "peaking plants". It's going to take a long time and it's also extremely expensive.

brianthebard

taconnol wrote: »

Right so...within 18 months you want the entire energy industry of Ireland to switch from large-scale fossil-fuel dependency, completely update the transmission grid to suit wind energy and build enough wind turbines so that you happen to see some out your window?..except building regulations determine that they should be kept as far out of visual sight of residential areas as possible?...

The main issue with wind power atm is getting planning isn't it? And Gormley is minister for local government, which afaik has some control over that situation? How much has he done since the election to change the situation to make it easier to erect windmills?

CantGetNoSleep

brianthebard wrote: »

The main issue with wind power atm is getting planning isn't it? And Gormley is minister for local government, which afaik has some control over that situation? How much has he done since the election to change the situation to make it easier to erect windmills?

Probably absolutely f^ck all, all these c$nts care about is their extra pay from their Minister's salary and and the little bit of power it brings them.

I'm going to be one of many laughing when they end up like the PDs after the next election

Steve

brianthebard wrote: »

The main issue with wind power atm is getting planning isn't it? And Gormley is minister for local government, which afaik has some control over that situation? How much has he done since the election to change the situation to make it easier to erect windmills?

The main problem with wind power is wind.

Every turbine that is built needs it's equivalent power capacity in a turf/oil/coal burning station running away in the background in case the wind stops - which it does on a fairly random basis.

Wind energy is a con that actually has a greater carbon footprint than fossil sources.

Agamemnon

I propose that we burn John Gormless in a wicker man as a sacrifice to Mother Nature. If it works, climate change will be reversed; if it doesn't work, we'll still be free of that sanctimonious, self-righteous, tax-happy, little oik of a man. Win-win. \o/

spadder

Don't burn him, shove him up a dead dogs hole and add him to the compost heap.

BroomBurner

I tolerated Gormley up to the point when he was asked why he was targetting car drivers in the budget. Fearing that the question had a tone bordering on accusation, Gormely said no, he wasn't targetting car drivers..... WTF?! For years, the Greens have wanted to target car drivers. I've no problem with them targetting car drivers. I'm a car driver, but I also understand that there are too many on the road, worldwide. If he had any balls at all, he would have said "yes, we are actually targetting car drivers, because we're the Green Party, and that's our remit", but he didn't, 'cause he's a coward. He has become too interested in being a politician now :mad:

I won't be voting Green again until they grow their spine back.

Tomk1

SteveC wrote: »

The main problem with wind power is wind.

Every turbine that is built needs it's equivalent power capacity in a turf/oil/coal burning station running away in the background in case the wind stops - which it does on a fairly random basis.

Wind energy is a con that actually has a greater carbon footprint than fossil sources.

Also if the wind goes over a certain speed they have to be shut down, if the greens cares about global warming and alternative to fossil fuel they would support nuc-power, but they seem to oppose real progress.

They had a chance to create real change but their just become lapdogs for FF. When the GP where outside the gov they could protest and had a voice, now they are silent. The greens have changed their colour to yellow.

CantGetNoSleep

Tomk1 wrote: »

Also if the wind goes over a certain speed they have to be shut down, if the greens cares about global warming and alternative to fossil fuel they would support nuc-power, but they seem to oppose real progress.

They had a chance to create real change but their just become lapdogs for FF. When the GP where outside the gov they could protest and had a voice, now they are silent. The greens have changed their colour to yellow.

I would have said brown, as that's the colour their tongues are from being up Brian Cowen's fat arse all day

Run_to_da_hills

The Green party will be putting pressure behind the government into introducing this "congestion charge". It sounds a great proposal in theory to discourage traffic in the city centre and will work well if we had a proper public transport infrastructure but we don't.

Mark200

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

will work well if we had a proper public transport infrastructure but we don't.

Exactly

That's the problem with so many of their proposals. They try to encourage you to use public transport but our public transport infrastructure is terrible

Biggins

Dear Mr Gormley (or is it Gormless?)

This winter with the 30+ cut-backs that your now exposed useless party is supporting along with Fianna Fail, will mean that our kids (including my three) will no longer be green in nature but instead with your help and the cuts your supporting - they will be blue instead.
-That's blue with the cold!

Get your head out of your backside, kop yourself on and try to retain a little of the ever shrinking dignity that you have left amid the fracas that is today called our government.

I wish to say sorry to you too.

• I'm sorry that you have turned out to be a complete waste of votes.
• I'm sorry that you have sold the soul of your organisation to become involved with the devil.
• I'm sorry that you have let down the ground troops of your organisation.
• I'm sorry that I ever considered voting for your organisation - I will not make that mistake again.

Yours sincerely,
Biggins.

Macha

vinylmesh wrote: »

no, i expected a start. I have not seen any media reports about an increase in renewable energy, and i have not seen any government plans to increase renewable energy.Maybe they exist, but seeing as i haven't seen any, they're not doing a very good job of promoting themselves.And seeing as you hear about all sorts of stuff in the media about rising emmisions ect, you'd think you'd have heard something about an increase in renewable energy.

If you don't call that list a start, I don't really know what to say. So you basically rely on what your own eyes can see and what the media decides to tell you as your reality? Bhutan hasn't been in the news too much lately - are you of the opinion that it has ceased to exist?

Have you ever heard of finding out for yourself? This attitude in the age of the internet just boggles the mind. But I'll indulge you:
Government plans to increase renewable energy target from 30% by 2020 to 40% last week:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/1016/1224069691598.html

Rising emissions are mainly in the area of transport, a sector that is way more complicated than just throwing up a few wind turbines. Given this country's obsession with the private motorcar and dire public transport system, the reduction of transport-related emissions will be a slow and arduous process.

vinylmesh wrote: »

For all i know, most of those wind turbines could be private/community based/ built already/ gonna be built anyway.

They all exist. You could go onto the SEI website and learn more, if you wanted.

vinylmesh wrote: »

I'm sure they are doing something, but I get the impression it's nowhere near what they should be doing (after all, they are the green party).

It should be pretty obvious to you by now that your impressions of what the Greens have done has little to do with the reality of the situation.

brianthebard wrote: »

The main issue with wind power atm is getting planning isn't it? And Gormley is minister for local government, which afaik has some control over that situation? How much has he done since the election to change the situation to make it easier to erect windmills?

Yes planning is a big issue but the major problem behind that is that our transmission grid is not set up to accept large amounts of wind power. Since the election, the transmission grid has been removed from ESB and given to a new state-run organisation: Eirgrid.

But I'm starting to come around to the idea that nuclear is the way forward..