India launches Moon mission

MySelf56

PSLV-C11 Successfully Launches Chandrayaan-1

India launches Moon mission

The mission is expected to cost 3.8bn rupees (£45m; $78m).

Pgibson

The people who are paying for it:

http://pragmaticideas.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/india-has-200-million-hunger-people/

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MySelf56

The people who are paying for it:

Agree, every nation has problem. I always have faith US system, but their helath care is totally in humane, millions of people doesnt offered decent health care. So does NASA should stop launching its scientific endevavours?

India is developing nation. It has its problems so does everyone else. Take example 70% people still depend on agriculture to have accurate weather predictions and telecommunications they need their own space program. If they dont have scientific instruments in place they cant feed 1bn people or can't watch bollywood movie on TV or can't watch Indians playing cricket (and loosing). Unless NASA/EU space agencies would charity dropping satelliete weather forcast every second or providing one of its satelliete transponder for telecom or provide detailed topography for their new rail way line. Last time i checked NASA/EU is not charity including Russians.

ISRO also launches Foriegn satelites including Belgium, Italy, Israel and other nations. Italians paid 11$ mn to launch their satelites as piggy back in their rocket so does Isralies. Its GIS satellite (IRS series) mapping data will be available for commerically application for money. Its INSAT satelliete series provides weather forcasting Bhutan, Sri Lanka and Nepal commercially and telecomms as well.

ISRO's EDUSAT satelliete dedicated for education. Aimed for linking up its university resouceres for the benefit their students across sub-continent. They have "Open Distance Education" program in National TV for the benefit of students.

I am sure google will give you so much information about Indian Hunger if its makes you happy!!

Pgibson

MySelf56 wrote: »

Agree, every nation has problem.

Two Hundred Million hungry people. (Thats 66% of the entire US population.)

As Marie Antoinette would say:
"Let them eat...
http://hgs07.com/oscommerce/images/Fruit%20Cake%20Slices.jpg
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MySelf56

most advanced country and young country couldnt provide humane healthcare. I wonder Marie Ant and google will say about them?
Your turn now again be shallow and amuse ur self.
Go figure!

Pgibson

MySelf56 wrote: »

most advanced country and young country couldnt provide humane healthcare. I wonder Marie Ant and google will say about them?
Your turn now again be shallow and amuse ur self.
Go figure!

Their mission has nothing to do with science or Helium 3.

Its drum beating vain-glory.

Yet India still comes to ME,and to the American taxpayer, with a begging bowl held out:

http://ec.europa.eu/echo/aid/asia/india_en.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDP/is_/ai_50189006

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velocirafter

it's pretty pointless sending more people to the moon at this stage, if there was any benefit left NASA would still be investigating there.

It is obviously a milestone in the indian space program, but if the money spent on it could be pooled into a worldwide fund for space research it would be better spent.

Tony Broke

velocirafter wrote: »

it's pretty pointless sending more people to the moon at this stage, if there was any benefit left NASA would still be investigating there.

It is obviously a milestone in the indian space program, but if the money spent on it could be pooled into a worldwide fund for space research it would be better spent.

Why not attack the BILLIONS the governments spend on WEAPONS? I am sure one nuclear missile less won't be sorely missed :rolleyes:

When tou "feed the hungry" people forget one important factor..

Offshoot technology... that creates JOBS... that creates PAY CHECKS... that creates the ability to buy food...

Or shall we deny India the right to have high tech well paying jobs and the trickle effect throughout the local economy that a space program brings?

Just check India's weapon program and go after them. A few million spent on a rocket will be repaid thousand fold in contracts.

Elem

So much more they can drop before the space program.

MySelf56

Just check India's weapon program and go after them. A few million spent on a rocket will be repaid thousand fold in contracts.

I Agree strict sanctions against their weapons program (oops! french and english are selling weapons for them if they stopped doing that how could dependent employees feed, dont forget EU has biggest chunk weapons market pie, Eriteria has MIG-29 jet fighter still our boys flies turbo prop planes).

Yes 11mn already paid by italians in previous launch of PSLV.

It makes sense economically for NASA and ESA use single rocket for their pay loads rather then their own rockets. Here is different pay loads carried along with indians Insturuments

1. 5 Indian payloads
a. Terrain Mapping stereo Camera
b. Hyper Spectral Imaging camera
c. Lunar Laser Ranging Instrument
d. High Energy X-ray spectrometer
e. Moon Impact Probe

2. 4 European payloads
a. Chandrayaan-1 X-ray Spectrometer UK
b. Sub KeV Atom Reflecting Analyser Sweden
c. Radiation Dose Monitor Experiment Bulgaria
d. Near Infra Red spectrometer Germany

3. 2 NASA payloads
a. Miniature Synthetic Aperture Radar
b. Moon Mineralogy Mapper


Miniature Synthetic Aperture Radar (MiniSAR) is from Applied Physics Laboratory, Johns Hopkins University and Naval Air Warfare Centre, USA through NASA

Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3) payload is from Brown University and Jet Propulsion Laboratory, USA through NASA

SIR-2 is developed by the Max-Planck-Institute for Solar System Science, through the Max-Planck Society, Germany and ESA

Chandrayaan-1 X-ray Spectrometer (C1XS) is realised primarily through ESA funds with partial support from ISRO. The hardware has been developed at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, UK in collaboration with the ISRO Satellite Centre, Bangalore and exhibits significant improvements over the instrument flown on SMART-1.


I am sure all these extra pay loads will be charged.

Yet India still comes to ME,and to the American taxpayer, with a begging bowl held out:

So much more they can drop before the space program.

Jaysus, here come “feed the hunger” the tax payer. I am also paying tax at 41% doesnt mean i have to be ignorent and obnoxious. Its the land of law you have to pay the taxes otherwise go and work in Dubai (tax-free). There is direct flight from dublin-dubai. No body stopping you. Probably you are out of touch with main stream media and living in wonder land. OUR tax well spent spent in clogged up motorway's (instead of upgrading exisinting railroad), building prefab (cardboard) school buildings, tax breaks for Car park builders gangs, Golf clubs (instead decent play ground kids), FAS spending meeting in 3 star hotels, 13mn to Asylum seeker allowence and tribunals. Yeah one more latest, early christmas bonus for who are on dole. Probably if you are working in private sector ask your boss about your bonus we all the whats the answer will be. So dont you worry out tax is well spent. I could give you list probably you wont understand. May be ask your friend google to help you to understand how the govt spending your tax. By the way, why do you think Indian banks didnt bailed out/guarteed by their government.

Launch cost India one tenth of IPL(Indian Premier Legue [Cricket]) rights bagged by SONY.


The mission half of the price of Aer Lingus Jumbo jet. Quantum of Solace's budget an EPIC $230 million. One most with basic arthematic skills knows $230 mn > $78mn. You cant even build bloddy LUAS with that money. It cost cost us 770 mn euros. I am not sure with that cost how could one can eliminate hunger and poverty unless its hollywood movie.

How on eartch one could elimanate poverty with $78mn?
Dont mix Politics, Paris Hilton with Science. It looks awakard

Having sound GDP india will remove some poverty (not all) i rest my case..



On the other hand for those who are into mission
Chandrayaan-1 enters Deep Space

A complete images of its pay load's and big dish :pac: Image Gallery

Tony Broke

Elem wrote: »

So much more they can drop before the space program.

Exactly, just look at the US.

They have spent 7 Trillion fighting a war for ... no reason really I can come up with and they didnt even take the oil :pac:

A rocket to the moon costs 50 million, a probe to Mars costs 350 Million a Manned mission maybe 10-15 Billion.A mars colony could have been a reality, we could be towing in asteroids worth 17 trillion in Platinum and have all the resources we ever need, they fight over precious metals and there are giant chunks of Platinum whizzing by that will inevitably kil us all if we don't harvest them

Like Myself56 said, we could have an Irish flag on the moon now, but no... we spent nearly a billion on the ****ing spire.

AtomicHorror

velocirafter wrote: »

it's pretty pointless sending more people to the moon at this stage, if there was any benefit left NASA would still be investigating there.

Seriously, do a bit of research before making statements like this. NASA plan to return to the moon in or around 2020. It's the prime motive behind the next generation of manned spacecraft. They want to establish a permanent ISS style base on the surface. The Chinese, Russians, Europeans and Japanese all have their own plans to do similar. India wants a piece.

velocirafter wrote: »

It is obviously a milestone in the indian space program, but if the money spent on it could be pooled into a worldwide fund for space research it would be better spent.

That may be the case. But interests and voting power would have to be attached to such money, so in the end it's debatable as to whether it would be any different to the current system of independent agencies that collaborate at times.

AtomicHorror

Pgibson wrote: »

Their mission has nothing to do with science or Helium 3.

Its drum beating vain-glory.

Yet India still comes to ME,and to the American taxpayer, with a begging bowl held out:

http://ec.europa.eu/echo/aid/asia/india_en.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDP/is_/ai_50189006

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Yes, they should get their house in order before spending money on space exploration. But if the Indians should be cutting anything from their budget, space exploration is way down the list.

MySelf56

Yes i agree with AtomicHorror they should cut down spending on Cricket, Bollywood and curry..

On the serious note Chandrayaan-1 sucessfully enters Lunar Orbit
and took few pictures of earth on its way to final destination.

AtomicHorror

MySelf56 wrote: »

Yes i agree with AtomicHorror they should cut down spending on Cricket, Bollywood and curry..

On the serious note Chandrayaan-1 sucessfully enters Lunar Orbit
and took few pictures of earth on its way to final destination.

Those are some mighty fine pictures.

Pgibson

MySelf56 wrote: »

They should cut down spending on Cricket,

I agree.

There is nothing worse than being interrupted by "Now we go to Test Match Special Cricket" on BBC World Service on Radio 4's frequency (198khz) at 2am.

Cricket is hell hell hell.


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lostexpectation

india are world leaders at using satillites to mointor environmental and farming issues, fair play to on that and this satillite which can only aid using tech to help the poor.

MySelf56

Those are some mighty fine pictures.

Chandrayaan takes pictures of moon


Here is Unofficial picture..

Pgibson

The fact remains that hundreds of millions (yes hundreds of millions) of Indians would not now be living in the direst grinding poverty if their government targeted resources their way rather than into military and space technology.

Very little "new" will be discovered by the moon mission,by the way.

They have the bloody cheek come to ME with a begging bowl.

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MySelf56

Pgibson:
The fact remains that hundreds of millions (yes hundreds of millions) of Indians would not now be living in the direst grinding poverty if their government targeted resources their way rather than into military and space technology.

There you go again. No body here said India is “Developed Country” it is “developing country”. They are doing their own research since 40 years.

The same beggars in your eyes and life, invested 1.9 billion pounds and created 250 jobs in NI.

Hain trade mission wins top Indian software investment in Northern Ireland

http://www.enterprise-ireland.com/annualreport2006/section1sub2_1.html

As an immediate result of the trade mission, 13 companies entered into contracts and partnerships estimated to be worth over €35 million during the next three years. A number of third-level colleges and industry associations were also successful. Science Foundation Ireland, the Irish Software Association, the Irish Biotechnology Association, the Irish Exporters Association and Chambers Ireland all signed partnership agreements with Indian counterparts that will help to deepen relationships and exchanges within education and research establishments in both countries.

[Both of these links are official government]

I agree with you one should not invest money technology invest and make all the economy revolve around Brick and mortars build more houses then we need. (if this makes you happy and stop crying)

No bloddy wonder we are this mess not investing much in technology and investing bloody property. Pricks.

Honestly you cant argue with people who types “ME”.

Pgibson:

Very little "new" will be discovered by the moon mission,by the way.

WOW! Jezz! You really enlighten entire space research community. What makes you think that any way? You say those astronomers gazing sky at night time are completely out their mind.
Hmmm... ok! I am speechless really.. I mean it.. It is just pure indulgence and denial of Importance of technology all together or sheer jealous. :D:D

Pgibson:
They have the bloody cheek come to ME with a begging bowl.

Yes fact remains, few people will never evolve, try to appritiate other human beings, they all different league all together. For them ignorance is intelligence, Paying tax is charity, always looking down at the other people. Forgetting the society is collection of people not just “ME”. One word sums up “snobbery”. So be it.

On the other hand the mission progress

First Lunar Orbit Reduction Manoeuvre of Chandrayaan-1 Successfully Carried Out

Pgibson

Ah well.

A picture speaks a thousand words.

The reality for the vast majority of Indians:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/indian-poverty.jpg


No vain-glorious hi-tech in that pic.

Stone Age man would recognise the picture.

I was there and saw the grinding dehumanising poverty with my own eyes.

(One of the main reasons I went there was to see the stars from the Himalayas..real space exploration in its own way.)


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Pgibson

By the way. If you like exploring the moon I recommend that you go to
the Khardung La Pass at over 17,000 feet altitude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khardung_La

The altitude is such that the stars barely twinkle and Jupiter and Saturn are so steady at times they look as if they are painted on the objective.

I brought a 6 inch Maksutov for portability.

For the moon I recommend bringing Anotnin Rukl’s “Atlas of the Moon.”

http://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Moon-Revised-Antonin-Rukl/dp/1931559074

Charles A. Wood's “The Modern Moon" is an excellent guide as well:

http://www.shopatsky.com/productdetail/46999.htm

You can really beef up the magnification in such rarified air.

You ain’t seen the Lunar Appennines until you have seen them from the high Himalayas.

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Biro

Tony Broke wrote: »

we could have an Irish flag on the moon now, but no... we spent nearly a billion on the ****ing spire.

That always gets my wick every time I see it. Why can't the brain-dead clowns who run the country use that money for a public telescope or a space museum or any feckin museum? Anything but a stupid metal stick. And there's the 6 million IR£'s gone on that time-in-the-slime too that served absolutely no purpose. Such a bunch of clowns.

humberklog

Indeed.
Go India. Excellent to see space exploration of any kind by anybody being attempted at anytime.
It's the human races duty.

It would be funny if a part went cock-up and when they call the manafacturer they get re-routed to a call centre in Ireland and can't understand a word of the less than helpful advice given.

Pgibson

humberklog wrote: »

It's the human races duty.

Semi-religious zealotry.

If they threw a can of baked beans at the moon some people would call it "exploration".

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humberklog

Pgibson wrote: »

Semi-religious zealotry.

If they threw a can of baked beans at the moon some people would call it "exploration".

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Semi-lazy labelling.


Who's 'they'? The Indians?

"some people" will always find a name for something. Some people are daft as a brush.

Pgibson

humberklog wrote: »

Who's 'they'? The Indians? .

No.

(In the case of India it would be a can of Chicken Tikka Masala.)

I will study the scientific return of this mission eagerly.

Hopefully it's not just nationalistic chest-thumping, as I think it probably is.

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MySelf56

In the case of India it would be a can of Chicken Tikka Masala.)

I wouldn't trust "CAN" rather i would go with "Bottle".

damn you guys/girls we forget one more thing relates with India. "Kamasutra" (perverts!! naked Scriptures on temples how to shag ur bird in 64 different ways, my ignorence i always thought its Internet porn. ummm girls, tits) and "Hindu-Arabic" numerals especially my favourate "ZERO"

Right!, on the news - mission progress

Chandrayaan-1 Successfully Reaches its Operational Lunar Orbit

Images From Chandrayaan-1 (we have them few days earlier)

I must admit their official site is tackiest in the world.. (fekin web dude never heard bloody style sheets)

Pgibson

MySelf56 wrote: »

Naked Scriptures on temples how to shag ur bird in 64 different ways.

The world's last pre-telescopic observatory:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Jantar_Mantar_Delhi_27-05-2005.jpg

And the "Illustrated Kama Sutra" as well:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&lightboxID=970537

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MySelf56

And the "Illustrated Kama Sutra" as well:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_sear...htboxID=970537

I have added kama sutra illiustrations to my porno disk...
Thanks.. :D:D:D

I will study the scientific return of this mission eagerly.

The good start will be..

Overview of Moon Mineralogy Mapper M3 one Chandrayan-1 payload for NASA

Overview of Mini RF another Chandrayan-1 payload for NASA




Mission progress

Indians put their tri colour flag on Moon..

Indian Tri Colour on Moon's surface.

Indian probe touches down on Moon

Now one mile stone of this mission is finished. Now time to switch on all the remote sensing instruments and get data to Bangalore dish.

Well done by ISRO!

AtomicHorror

Don't mind Pgibson, he likes to piss on any and all enthusiasm voiced on this board. How about we discuss astronomy and space here, and leave the politics and social commentary to a more appropriate forum?

MySelf56

Indeed. Thats all my intentions..

Official Pictures -1

Official Pictures -2

This is probe on pre-launch preparations

Waiting for impact video...

Swedes will be switching their instrument on Dec 7th

Our instrument SARA will be switched on for the first time on 7 December 2008," says Professor Stas Barabash, Swedish Institute of Space Physics (IRF) in Kiruna.

SARA (Sub-Kev Reflection Atom Analyzer) is one of 11 instruments from India, Europe and USA on board Chandrayaan. SARA will study how the space environment interacts with the Moon. The instrument was developed jointly by IRF and the Space Physics Laboratory of Vikram Sarabhai Space Center (SPL-VSSC), Thiruvananthapuram, India, with contributions from the University of Bern, Switzerland, and the Institute of Space and Astronautical Science of the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), Sagamihara, Japan. The SARA experiment is the first collaborative project between IRF in Kiruna and India.

Mostly the rest of instruments will be online from coming weeks..